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  • JoHosephatJoHosephat Member Posts: 180

    Faking an internet death: 20 of your bud's and a max of one hour.

    Posting aforementioned "death" on a messageboard, including information of an ingame funeral, including time and place: 15 minutes, and an easily accessible spot where you can be killed.

    Consorting with another clan to slaughter you for fame or infamy: 45 minutes.

    Being alluded to as the Anti-Christ: Priceless.

  • deggilatordeggilator Member Posts: 520


    Both sides made stupidities, though Serenity Now's moves had even worse intents.

    They gave Serenity Now the opportunity to attack by hosting the ceremony on a contested territory where the other faction could attack at any moment, which was poor planning on their side. Even more important is the question whether a virtual death ceremony is an actual way to pay your respects to the recently departed, especially when it's bound to cause comments such as being weird or funny. At the very least, we can consider their actions as naive.

    Serenity Now, on the other hand, while not breaking the game's rules in any way, consiously made an action that was bound to make people upset or cause sorrow, by ruining the ceremony in such a fashion. It's not the action itself that I'm bothered with (and I admit that the video made me laugh a bit), but the intent, being not only to entertain themselves, but ruin the moment for the others, makes it quite immoral and, plainly put, wrong.

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  • h0b0_pieh0b0_pie Member Posts: 6

    The funeral is kind of old news apart from being a massive forum discussion around the gaming forums, it was extremely humiliating to see how cruel and coldhearted people can be.

     

    So the funeral was held in PvP area, why should that make any difference if you think about it earth is PvP area too, yet we can successfully hold a wedding, funeral and McDonalds opening celebrations without getting pig slaughtered. I mean who in there real mind would go into a newly open shop full of wealthy business men parting and pull out a axe and hack them to bits pissing on there celebrations and then loot the place? the closest to this would be a hostage situation of grand theft auto (amusingly mass slaughter is funny on GTA)

    'Do to others as you would want them to do to you' is what should be said. I only wish that the leader of this siege on both the funeral and wedding dies, not that I’m a mean kind of guy just because his funeral would inevitably be ransacked and pissed all over from the next inbred clan of dumb wits that like to think o fit as a joke and think dead people deserve to be 'proper' smashed to bits... along with the 100 guests.

     

    I sad it before and ill say it again, the dumb wit that took the chance to siege and massacre defenseless players was at the worse. that clan has probably got the worst respect among civilized players and the up most respect from the half-brained asshats that like to PWN unarmed people with big sticks till the whites of the dead players eyes is black and blue

     

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  • cloudsixninecloudsixnine Member Posts: 7


    Originally posted by h0b0_pie

    The funeral is kind of old news apart from being a massive forum discussion around the gaming forums, it was extremely humiliating to see how cruel and coldhearted people can be.


     


    So the funeral was held in PvP area, why should that make any difference if you think about it earth is PvP area too, yet we can successfully hold a wedding, funeral and McDonalds opening celebrations without getting pig slaughtered. I mean who in there real mind would go into a newly open shop full of wealthy business men parting and pull out a axe and hack them to bits pissing on there celebrations and then loot the place? the closest to this would be a hostage situation of grand theft auto (amusingly mass slaughter is funny on GTA)


    'Do to others as you would want them to do to you' is what should be said. I only wish that the leader of this siege on both the funeral and wedding dies, not that I’m a mean kind of guy just because his funeral would inevitably be ransacked and pissed all over from the next inbred clan of dumb wits that like to think o fit as a joke and think dead people deserve to be 'proper' smashed to bits... along with the 100 guests.


     


    I sad it before and ill say it again, the dumb wit that took the chance to siege and massacre defenseless players was at the worse. that clan has probably got the worst respect among civilized players and the up most respect from the half-brained asshats that like to PWN unarmed people with big sticks till the whites of the dead players eyes is black and blue

     


    ~h0b0~



    Are you serious?? "who in there real mind would go into a newly open shop full of wealthy business men parting and pull out a axe and hack them"... because we DON'T live in a video game?

    "'Do to others as you would want them to do to
    you'
    is what should be said. I only wish that the leader of this siege
    on both the funeral and wedding dies".  Can you please contradict yourself ANY MORE??

    Defensless players?  They had like three or four times more people than the attackers! did you even see the video??

    "think dead people deserve to be 'proper' smashed to bits... "  Do you even know what pvp is?

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  • h0b0_pieh0b0_pie Member Posts: 6




    Are you serious?? "who in there real mind would go into a newly open shop full of wealthy business men parting and pull out a axe and hack them"... because we DON'T live in a video game?

    So you think that is ok to get into a public funeral in a game where some one has REALLY died and pay no respect but desecrate a long time player, where most of his/her friends from online cant get to his/her funeral? Do you no how twisted that sounds yes, sure. 'he’s only dead, I live no where near him I may as well PWN his memorial service as its just stuff waiting to be taken.' at leased wait till AFTER the service is held to do that for GOD sake!

    "'Do to others as you would want them to do to you' is what should be said. I only wish that the leader of this siege on both the funeral and wedding dies".  Can you please contradict yourself ANY MORE??

    Well I’m sure the clan leader would have done the same to my funeral and I’m sure the person who really died is rolling over in his/her grave due to the heartless acts taken upon a game the player loved. i heard this story on a mmorpg site that the head CEO from the game came to a in game funeral held for a long time and supporting player, not only did a player camp out and wait for the CEO to appear and PWN him but he looted the site and desecrated the funeral items... the player was quickly banned and his clan was dismembered.

    Defenseless players?  They had like three or four times more people than the attackers! Did you even see the video??

    Did YOU even see the funeral video; there was a line of about 40 odd people, all districted waiting to pay respect. And a buffed clan raced in taking the mourners by surprise and PWNED them silly. Yes I think that counts as defenseless players.

    "think dead people deserve to be 'proper' smashed to bits... "  Do you even know what pvp is?

    PvP is player vs player, PvE is player vs environment or enemies (aka npcs). Take counterstrike for instance, when you just got your head blown off, do you think its fun to watch your character to get continually shot at after death? Then spray tagged, then HE fragged? Then another mag into the groin... if you do it would only be funny when you come up behind that twat shooting the body and knife him.




    ~h0b0~

    ~h0b0_pie from runescape~

  • cloudsixninecloudsixnine Member Posts: 7
    h0b0_pie:  I don't want to attack your grammar or anything, but I couldn't really u
    nderstand half of what you wrote.  Something about looting and banning.  If you're referring to wow, than you're wrong because there is no player looting in wow and you can't get banned for killing someone in pvp.  As for the guild, whoever told you they disbanded lied to you, (http://serenity-now.org/).   Also, I don't play CS, but I do play other fps's and I'm usually the one with the sniper.  I don't even see how that is relevant.

    Anyways, I think it's totally okay to do what they did in game.  Because that's exactly what it is, a game.  Sure it sucks the person died, and it was nice of their friends to put this memorial together, but in the end it's just silly to have such a lame memorial inside a video game.  That's what funerals are for.  They didn't break any rules or laws.  If someone did that for me I'd expect the exact same thing to happen.

    In conclusion, it's halarious what happend, but sad that people take a game so seriously and mix it so much with their lives.  If you can't handle it, than maybe these games are not for you and don't play on pvp servers.




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  • PantasticPantastic Member Posts: 1,204

    Jimmy_Scythe and h0b0_pie, you seriously need to put your video games away and spend more time outside. You seem to have no sense of perspective whatsoever, as you really don't seem to see the difference between video game characters being 'killed' for less than a minute in a video game where killing them is not only within the rules, but encouraged, and attacking people in the real world with an axe or torturing funeral guests. No physical injuries whatsoever were caused, and no laws were broken, so pretending that video game characters being 'killed' in a computer game is comprable to real death and torture is just absurd. Your other points pale behind the fact that you really don't seem to acknowledge that video game characters fighting in a video game is nothing like real world death and dismemberment at all.

    Volkmar,


    About the other comparisons done, do you really think that if a funeral would be organized in a baseball camp (maybe because the deceased was a baseball player and used to play there), manifests would be put around announcing it to everybody, that couple baseball teams would just go there and start playing baseball middle of the ceremony??? I do not think so.

    I do, if the people 'organizing' the funeral just decided to do it on their own and didn't get the owners of the basebal stadium to agree not to hold a baseball game that day, and simply popped in to hold their 'funeral' when other people are PAYING to watch the baseball game. These people didn't get the owners of the field's approval to hold their funeral, they decided to hold it in the middle of a GAME that other people pay money to be able to play. Try that nonsense in the real world, and you'll find your funeral disrupted by security guards escorting your buddies out so that the paying customers get what they paid for. They didn't get Blizzard's (the 'stadium owner') permission to hold the event or to stop other people from playing the game.

    The core point that the 'poor funeral-holding victims' side seems to miss is that in the real world, you hold a funeral at a cemetary, or at some location where you make an arrangement with whoever owns the location. You do not walk into the middle of people enjoying some activity that they've paid for and demand that everyone stop what they're doing out of 'respect' for their friend. ESPECIALLY when there are huge areas and entire servers where you can hold your funeral without disrupting other people's gameplay.

    The organizers of the funeral, far from being innocent victims, are self-righteous jerks. Rather than honoring the memory of a deceased friend, they chose to use his death as an excuse to push other people around, then when someome continued to play the game by the rules used it to paint themselves as martyrs. The 'disruptors' are just immature, but using an alleged friend's death for petty power-tripping like that really disgusts me.

  • JimLadJimLad Member CommonPosts: 187

    I am reminded of Disneys Jungle Book with those Vultures that go 'NOW DON'T START THAT AGAIN'

    ...obviously it's too late tho. The fact that was established in the last thread is that these guys didn't break any laws or offences. So that just leaves peoples 'opinions' which only really need to be stated once. Any more times and it's just an obvious attempt to impose will on others.

  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586

    Pantastic wrote:

    You seem to have no sense of perspective whatsoever, as you really don't seem to see the difference between video game characters being 'killed' for less than a minute in a video game where killing them is not only within the rules, but encouraged, and attacking people in the real world with an axe or torturing funeral guests.

    It was actually a "reducto ad absurdum" arguement. You apparently missed the point. So I'll break it down for you.

    Crashing that funeral was INTENTIONALLY DISRESPECTFULL!!

    Warlords and gangsters may have deadly fierce rivalries in real life, but doing a drive by on a funeral is just not done.

    You don't even see such people driving by and talking shit during funerals.

    No physical injuries whatsoever were caused, and no laws were broken, so pretending that video game characters being 'killed' in a computer game is comprable to real death and torture is just absurd. Your other points pale behind the fact that you really don't seem to acknowledge that video game characters fighting in a video game is nothing like real world death and dismemberment at all.

    I acknowledge that this took place in a game environment. I also acknowledge that the funeral was for a real person that died. I furthermore acknowledge that the "characters" that attened the funeral were controlled by real people that had a real relationship with the deceased, even if that relationship was only online in the game. I agree that mistakes were made in the organization and placement of the memorial service.....

    However I whole heartedly acknowledge that SN were totally in the wrong for being disrespectful to the deceased. It's not just the act here. It was the intention behind the act. In this case, the intention was to piss on someone's tombstone in full view of their friends and loved ones. Regardless of the legality of the action, the morality is EXTREMELY clear. If you honestly can't see that, then I truely pity you.

  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    funniest shit ive ever seen ... both videos, L2 they were too retarded to close the gates and WoW they brought it onto themselves. they asked for it posting the exact location and time of where over 20+ HKs are going to be easy ones

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  • PantasticPantastic Member Posts: 1,204



    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
    I acknowledge that this took place in a game environment. I also acknowledge that the funeral was for a real person that died. I furthermore acknowledge that the "characters" that attened the funeral were controlled by real people that had a real relationship with the deceased, even if that relationship was only online in the game. I agree that mistakes were made in the organization and placement of the memorial service.....


    "Mistakes were made"? They set up a 'memorial service' inside of a computer game where players fight other players, even though there are parts of the computer game where players don't. It's like holding a 'funeral service' in the middle of a paintball field, then whining and crying that the people out for a day of paintball kept on playing.



    However I whole heartedly acknowledge that SN were totally in the wrong for being disrespectful to the deceased. It's not just the act here. It was the intention behind the act. In this case, the intention was to piss on someone's tombstone in full view of their friends and loved ones. Regardless of the legality of the action, the morality is EXTREMELY clear. If you honestly can't see that, then I truely pity you.


    The morality is EXTREMELY clear, the jerks absuing the memory of their dead friend for a bit of self-righteous posturing and a bit of internet fame are just plain sick. They could easily have had an in-game funeral service with no such problems at all, but chose instead to tell people with a grudge towards them about it and hold it not in one of the safe areas, or on a safe server, but in a place where attacking is clearly encouraged. The intention was clearly to provoke the other guys to attack so that they could start in with the waterworks, crying and sobbing about what victims they are, using their friend's death to paint themselves as martyrs.

    That's far more pissing on someome's tombstone than video game characters fighting other video game characters, if you honestly can't see that I truly pity you.

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905


    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

    Pantastic wrote:
    You seem to have no sense of perspective whatsoever, as you really don't seem to see the difference between video game characters being 'killed' for less than a minute in a video game where killing them is not only within the rules, but encouraged, and attacking people in the real world with an axe or torturing funeral guests.
    It was actually a "reducto ad absurdum" arguement. You apparently missed the point. So I'll break it down for you.
    Crashing that funeral was INTENTIONALLY DISRESPECTFULL!!
    Warlords and gangsters may have deadly fierce rivalries in real life, but doing a drive by on a funeral is just not done.
    You don't even see such people driving by and talking shit during funerals.
    Key opporating word here is REAL. This is not real. It is a game. The mechanics of real life to not apply to an imaginary / artificial environment.
    No physical injuries whatsoever were caused, and no laws were broken, so pretending that video game characters being 'killed' in a computer game is comprable to real death and torture is just absurd. Your other points pale behind the fact that you really don't seem to acknowledge that video game characters fighting in a video game is nothing like real world death and dismemberment at all.
    I acknowledge that this took place in a game environment. I also acknowledge that the funeral was for a real person that died. I furthermore acknowledge that the "characters" that attened the funeral were controlled by real people that had a real relationship with the deceased, even if that relationship was only online in the game. I agree that mistakes were made in the organization and placement of the memorial service.....
    However I whole heartedly acknowledge that SN were totally in the wrong for being disrespectful to the deceased. It's not just the act here. It was the intention behind the act. In this case, the intention was to piss on someone's tombstone in full view of their friends and loved ones. Regardless of the legality of the action, the morality is EXTREMELY clear. If you honestly can't see that, then I truely pity you.
    You can argue "morality" however this is an unreal environment where the moral laws of the real world do not apply in the gameplay anyway. Think about the "morality" of playing a Warlock for example. Would you practice the profession of Warlock in "real" life if you could? Think about the morality of running around and killing as many other players/monsters to begin with. There is an ugly word for trying to wipe out a species. A word you would never want to have attached to your name in "real" life. (and its not "hero")
    Again, although I think this was done in bad taste, this argument is taking it a bit far. I would not participate and I would really reconsider if I was a member of a group that did this sort of thing, that is a personal choice.
    The entire incedent could have been avoided if they had done it in a secure area. Say what you like but that is the reality of the situation.
    What happened it L2 was a bit different. The gates being left "open" was more then likely a betrayal. (not just anyone can open and close the gates, it needs to be someone with permission) It is highly unlikey that entire scenerio could have happened unplanned. The attackers where totally prepared and in force.
    Knowing that, what do you think about the "morality" of the player who may have betrayed his guild, destroyed a "wedding" caused his guilds castle to be looted and his guildmates to be humiliated? (all ingame of course) Is that part of the game or a moral issue? You could go either way with that one.


  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183


    Originally posted by Pantastic


    Originally posted by SpiritofGame
    Yep, blame the victims ... perfect ... that's what most criminals do.


    The only things they're victims of is their own stupidity. If people had crashed an actual funeral service, it would be one thing - but they didn't. People chose to play a game that they paid for in a manner allowed and encouraged by the game rules, that's nothing at all like crashing a real funeral. It's more like if someome decided to hold memorial services in the middle of a baseball game, and expected the game to just stop and wait for another day for them.

    If you're going to talk about criminals, where's the crime? There's nothing remotely criminal in engaging in PVP in a PVP game. I object much more to the people who feel they have the authority to order other paying customers of the game around, telling other people that they're not allowed to engage in PVP in PVP-enabled areas of a PVP server. I pay a subscription to a game to be allowed to play the game by the rules of the game, and I object to people who try to add their own rules.

    And no one has offered any explanation whatsoever as to why this event was held in a contested area on a PVP server; what prevented them from just holding the event in one of the areas where the crashers could not have crashed the event? It's sad if a train runs someone over in their sleep, but you have to ask why they decided to sleep on the tracks instead of somewhere sane like a bed.


    There is a tiny issue known as respect , Yes the gankers have no reason to stop what they were doing if they just happened to be around saw enemies and attacked . Yet it is a different problem if they went in knowing exactly what they were doing . IMO it is simply bad taste , I mean what is so hard to understand here . There is a possiblity the location was held in a favortie spot of the fellow who passed away or even the spot where he had his stroke who knows  .

    But going in with the sole purpose of crashing a funeral virtual or not is a little over the top IMO .

    The whole argument about being their stupidity , Is it that much to ask to be left alone for a moment of silence ? Yeah people are paying to be entertained , even sick people who would get of on such a thing . But if you went to a sporting event  and there was a moment of silence being held for the visitng players team . Would you find it ok for fans to begin Booing or throwing crap on the field ? I mean after all they are not paying to be there to hear about someone elses bad luck .

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