Informative Document Series Reveals 'Overview of Beta 1' - Camelot Unchained - MMORPG.com

SBFord · September 2017

Informative Document Series Reveals 'Overview of Beta 1' - Camelot Unchained - MMORPG.com

Camelot Unchained News - As Camelot Unchained motors towards beta testing (YAY!), the CSE team wants players, fans and backers to understand the driving forces present in the first round of testing. To that end, a lengthy, informative document has been prepared that currently contains fourteen chapters (two of which are not viewable by backers, but are for CSE only). Each chapter delves into various systems and features such as character creation, crafting and more.

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Tsiya · September 2017

So torn. I want to get in on the early access but I'm so burnt on MMOs I wouldn't give it the attention it deserves. P.S. Those robes look incredible! Can't wait to wear one.

Truvidien88 · September 2017

This looks really good.

Wizardry · September 2017

Passing along information is a pretty lazy thread.Where is the opinions HONEST ones or just any old comment ?

if i want to just click some link i could do it at the game's site not here.Problem is i want to hear about gaming systems,the depth in design,how many systems tie together to make the game really interesting.

I have been gaming for 35 years,i don't need to read any document on testing,if anything the entire industry NEEDS a refresher on what testing really is and i can tell you it is NOT meant to be a marketing gimmick like i see in another thread claiming "SWEEPSTAKES" for an alpha test.

Seriously there is soooooooooo much wrong in the entire industry right now it is sickening.Where are the HONEST people,the people that truly want to see games evolve and get better,where is the information on great game designs,new systems,creativity and BASIC core features a ROLE playing game should have?
I happened to see a word i see often in that link...."professionalism",to me that means "don't make us look bad" then the excuses about nobody is perfect and such.

Yes i know all about nobody is perfect,yes i understand testing a Beta ...Alpha is not the FULL finished product,do developers know that?How many devs are asking full game price costs to get into testing>>>MANY if not most.You know when a developer deserves full money,when the product is finished and worthy of it.

So yeah if there is some explaining to do ,it should be passed onto dubious developing studios and their partners.Give me GAMING news,knowledge of creative systems,depth of design,not more political agenda stuff.

Wizardry · September 2017

If someone or people want to discuss a very good idea this game is bringing us,i am all ears,let's hear it,i love to hear about great systems and design,i love to hear someone is finally giving us some creativity and not just clones.
There have been a few games longing for a following here,CU,Crowfall are two examples,these games need to give me something i can get excited about not just fluff information or pictures.
I would hope that SOMEONE inside of the CU team could come out and tell us about the great things the game is doing "one at a time" so we can digest it,instead almost every single article we keep seeing here looks like nothing,no real game information but more like advertising or meaningless fluff just to raise awareness.

So if someone has some great news on this game,after all these threads i have seen,share it.I might very likely say the idea is ho hum,average, or not even good,but so what,that is why ideas need to get out there,so we can figure out how to make them better,that is IF people want BETTER games?

sayuu · September 2017

Methinks someone in this thread has watched/read modern day news for so long they think that simply posting facts or information without opinion is somehow not newsworthy or lazy.

. . .it should be the other way around, people getting mad because news stories are turned into editorials disguised as news.

as far as the NEWS article goes, one step closer to launch.

UOlite · September 2017

An above poster definitely sounds a bit jaded. Not every piece of info released by CU's (which is alot) team needs press digestion. If I didn't see it posted on MMORPG then i'd never would have been able to read it. I'm a backer for CU and have been for a few years.

Sometimes there is no Astral Dominae to find when it comes to gaming. You might have been gaming for 35 years, but little has changed. If you can't see that then you'll never find any game fun ever again.

toolak · September 2017

I was honestly excited about this game.. like 4 years ago. I think that games like CU and CF have really missed the boat with their small studio long production time games. Most of the old hardcore MMO lovers like me have moved on to other things in life or have adapted to the new shooting looter style like destiny and warframe. The addicts that WoW have shown that they are stuck there like glue and if not WoWing they are waiting doe the next expac. So what kind of market is left for CU and CF? Guys like me who will maybe pick up one or the other and play a few hours a week when not busy living life? New gamers whose only experiance in online gaming is BF1 and destiny? Yeah I give them a week in a player made economy sandbox. The WoW crowd that might play a bit between patches as they get their 10th toon to max ilvl? The few of the left over hardcore guys that have been hiding under rocks and bridges just waiting for the day to come? None of these groups to me will be enough by themselves to keep the games up and running for any length of time. I hate to say it but the days of MMORPGs is gone. 4 years ago if they had them going into beta they might have had a chance. But the ammount of time between the last good MMO of their type being mainstream and now has just been too much. A few years too late is my prediction.

Jimmydean · September 2017

I am excited for games like CU, Pantheon, AOC, but the production times on these games is out of control. By the time they actually release, all the hype will have dissipated and I'm not sure I'll even remember about them.

I like that these companies have a vision and honestly, being an old EQ player, these games appeal to me more than things like Destiny and WoW, but if they spend this long making a game and then release anything less than a masterpiece with perfect polish, how can they expect to retain/draw in players?

I think it's a problem that is being brought into the forefront now that almost every MMORPG coming out has had to resort to the Kickstarter model, and it's hard asking money from someone for a product that may or may not be delivered in 10 years. So we get sped up timelines that these underfunded and understaffed devs just cannot make.

Rockard · September 2017

I don't understand the complains about the delay.
The game is being built from the engine up.
Especially older gamers should understand the magnitude of the endeavour,given the sea of games that are MMOs only by euphemism,and the sad performance of all of the AAA MMOs when under heavy load of players.
BDO is shit.GW2 is shit.ESO is shit.
At 200 players they burp and fart and poop and lag and desync and delay skills and behave like the inferior products(engine wise) they are.

Give it another 18 to 24 months and cross your fingers that what CSE is building will work as designed.
They could have the game up and running on a existing engine,and you'd all be here complaining about it not being able to handle the load and lag.
Wouldn't that be nice.

pantaro · September 2017

Rockard said:

I don't understand the complains about the delay.
The game is being built from the engine up.
Especially older gamers should understand the magnitude of the endeavour,given the sea of games that are MMOs only by euphemism,and the sad performance of all of the AAA MMOs when under heavy load of players.
BDO is shit.GW2 is shit.ESO is shit.
At 200 players they burp and fart and poop and lag and desync and delay skills and behave like the inferior products(engine wise) they are.

Give it another 18 to 24 months and cross your fingers that what CSE is building will work as designed.
They could have the game up and running on a existing engine,and you'd all be here complaining about it not being able to handle the load and lag.
Wouldn't that be nice.

i must have missed the memo on how it takes only a year to build a Real mmo these days or something lol

Kyleran · September 2017

Good document, but continues to leave out a detail which should be well established and published by now, a release schedule for not only the first beta but a planned timeline to final release.

4 plus years is more than enough time to have this figured out.

Thomas2006 · September 2017

Kyleran said:

Good document, but continues to leave out a detail which should be well established and published by now, a release schedule for not only the first beta but a planned timeline to final release.

4 plus years is more than enough time to have this figured out.

I think they have always stood by when its ready they will release it. They are in no hurry to push it out before it is good and ready. They have taken all the time needed upto this point and it would be just dumb to throw away that time now toward the end just to get a product out.

also stamping a official date / time on it is not going to do anything other then give people something to complain about when that date and time comes and goes without a release because more time was needed then established.

I want the game to be released as much as the next person. But I want a working, stable, fun, lag free game verses something now just to have something now. If it takes another 2 years or so to get to that point then so be it as I am willing to wait whatever time is needed.

lahnmir · September 2017

I think they are still a bit traumatised by the forced releasing of WAR, which combined with a shift in focus and scale led to disastrous results.

When its done is fine with me, just let me know a few weeks in advance so I can get my limited founders pack

(Kickstarter backer in case someone thought I was serious).

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Kyleran · September 2017

Torval said:

Kyleran said:

Good document, but continues to leave out a detail which should be well established and published by now, a release schedule for not only the first beta but a planned timeline to final release.

4 plus years is more than enough time to have this figured out.

Typically testing documentation doesn't contain specific dates. When I've done testing or development milestones there is typically a separate document for scheduling. Testing documentation contains the what, how, why, where, and such but not the when.

In my sorts of projects we do have a timeline but our weekly meetings establish the specific dates, times, and availabilities based on the "factors".

I understand your desire to get some firm anchor points in the time though. It's a totally reasonable wish and I'm sure the people who will decide that want to give you one. I suspect they don't have all conditions met necessary to provide that though. It's fair to say they should have been able to meet those in four years, but it hasn't happened. I think the experience with WAR that @Thomas2006 mentioned provides a counterbalance to the desire to commit to a hard and fast release schedule.

Where I work test plans typically contain start and end dates, along with duration estimates, scope, test environments, cycles if more than one, and contingency planning.

Of course, we're working with paid company resources, who have other projects to factor in so there is a need for more specific planning which I understand.

You may all do as you wish, be as forgiving as you would like, I'm going to continue to hold CU to the task of providing timelines and dates.

For all of you flexible folks, how long is enough, is it ever enough? Some said they are fine with two more years? Why stop there, why not 4 more years to a great game, or even 6?

It's a question I've though of asking the SC supporters as well, is there ever a point for them when enough is enough, their patience will come to an end, or can CR (or MJ) just count on never ending support for countless years to come?

Maybe they can from others, but not from me.

We've all had projects that didn't go to plan, doesn't mean we run from our responsibilities to our stakeholders to be as honest and forthright as we can.

No one says they have to put a stake in the ground, but a reasonable plan/ timeline is a fair request at this point.

Hefaistos · September 2017

hey CU ladies and gents,

Im old DAOC ANdred/Mordred (FFA servers) player. There is nothing to play atm for those who love DAOC style. Pls dont ruin the game. We need daoc2 2018 gameplay. We need it badly. You are probably the last hope...

MadFrenchie · September 2017

Torval said:

Case in point, you feel entitled to a project timeline though you've not been promised one. You feel entitled to take that and own it. That's okay, but I hope you can see how that sort of aggressive scrutiny makes a project less willing.

Are you willing submit to the argument that traditional investors are just as forgiving of missing deadlines and just as content to be kept in the dark on when they can expect a finished product?

ConstantineMerus · September 2017

I think they should come up with a date, everything considered. Yes gamers aren't mature enough to handle stuff like that. But they asked for their monies. They have to handle the inconvenience too. If they wanted to only converse with the mature people, Kickstarter wasn't the right choice.

I understand your points Torval. But Ky is right. It's been too long.

I don't have anything against them. But I believe they should have some faith in their backers too and take the necessary heat. That's how big kids roll mate.

MadFrenchie · September 2017

ConstantineMerus said:

I think they should come up with a date, everything considered. Yes gamers aren't mature enough to handle stuff like that. But they asked for their monies. They have to handle the inconvenience too. If they wanted to only converse with the mature people, Kickstarter wasn't the right choice.

I understand your points Torval. But Ky is right. It's been too long.

I don't have anything against them. But I believe they should have some faith in their backers too and take the necessary heat. That's how big kids roll mate.

This is exactly my sentiments. The fan base didn't pool millions of dollars and ask developers to come take it. The developers moved to that platform because traditional investors weren't interested. Nothing about that should make us give them any more slack than a traditional investor would.

MadFrenchie · September 2017

Torval said:

MadFrenchie said:

Torval said:

Case in point, you feel entitled to a project timeline though you've not been promised one. You feel entitled to take that and own it. That's okay, but I hope you can see how that sort of aggressive scrutiny makes a project less willing.

Are you willing submit to the argument that traditional investors are just as forgiving of missing deadlines and just as content to be kept in the dark on when they can expect a finished product?

If I had said that or thought so then sure, but I have no idea where that "what if" came from. I'm not interested in exploring the fantasy motivations of imaginary people in an implausible scenario.

Because that was the alternative to crowdfunding. I see no reason why the consumer should be entitled to less information about the project than a traditional investor would warrant, except for that consumer protection laws in regards to electronic products and the Internet are relatively weak in most countries.

Shadanwolf · September 2017

This is THE only game I really hoping to play.

ConstantineMerus · September 2017

Torval said:

ConstantineMerus said:

I think they should come up with a date, everything considered. Yes gamers aren't mature enough to handle stuff like that. But they asked for their monies. They have to handle the inconvenience too. If they wanted to only converse with the mature people, Kickstarter wasn't the right choice.

I understand your points Torval. But Ky is right. It's been too long.

I don't have anything against them. But I believe they should have some faith in their backers too and take the necessary heat. That's how big kids roll mate.

Was delivering and publishing a concrete timeline part of the deal? Yes? Then they need to pay up. No? Then you should have thought of that and what your voice and rights are before you handed over "monies" because that's what wise people do.

All that other stuff about Kyle's impatience and faith and entitled expectations aren't part of the bargain. That's how big kids roll.

I'm not trying to sue them so don't get all legal on me!

I don't care about the money I donated. To be honest, I don't even care about a concrete timeline. I'd appreciate a couple of dates after such a long dateless time though.

You say kids can't handle that. If you read my previous comments you'd realize I too believe that is true. But total obscurity for such a long time isn't the answer, in my humble opinion at least.

I believe crowdfunding isn't about deals and contracts. It's about relationships. I confess, overall, I feel confident in my relationship with this project. But this is certainly one of the downsides.

Ozmodan · September 2017

Wizardry said:

If someone or people want to discuss a very good idea this game is bringing us,i am all ears,let's hear it,i love to hear about great systems and design,i love to hear someone is finally giving us some creativity and not just clones.
There have been a few games longing for a following here,CU,Crowfall are two examples,these games need to give me something i can get excited about not just fluff information or pictures.
I would hope that SOMEONE inside of the CU team could come out and tell us about the great things the game is doing "one at a time" so we can digest it,instead almost every single article we keep seeing here looks like nothing,no real game information but more like advertising or meaningless fluff just to raise awareness.

So if someone has some great news on this game,after all these threads i have seen,share it.I might very likely say the idea is ho hum,average, or not even good,but so what,that is why ideas need to get out there,so we can figure out how to make them better,that is IF people want BETTER games?

Long winded much? You should learn to not ramble, it tends to make most people just skip your posts entirely.

If you never played DAoC during it's heyday, it would be just hard to express the fun involved in the combat. This game wants to recapture that. Just have to wait and see if it does. I will say, it very much looks like it will.

Ozmodan · September 2017

ConstantineMerus said:

I think they should come up with a date, everything considered. Yes gamers aren't mature enough to handle stuff like that. But they asked for their monies. They have to handle the inconvenience too. If they wanted to only converse with the mature people, Kickstarter wasn't the right choice.

I understand your points Torval. But Ky is right. It's been too long.

I don't have anything against them. But I believe they should have some faith in their backers too and take the necessary heat. That's how big kids roll mate.

Sorry I do NOT agree at all. Far too many developers lately have pushed out crap. I am distinctly tired of poorly thought out, unfinished games that fools layout money for. Look at ARK, horrible client that barely runs on many machines yet they continue to ignore the client to add more DLC.

I am really tired of developers ignoring major issues with their games just to make money. I do not see that with this developer and am willing to give them as much time as they need to actually provide us with a finished game, not some half assed, features thrown together POS.

MadFrenchie · September 2017

Ozmodan said:

ConstantineMerus said:

I think they should come up with a date, everything considered. Yes gamers aren't mature enough to handle stuff like that. But they asked for their monies. They have to handle the inconvenience too. If they wanted to only converse with the mature people, Kickstarter wasn't the right choice.

I understand your points Torval. But Ky is right. It's been too long.

I don't have anything against them. But I believe they should have some faith in their backers too and take the necessary heat. That's how big kids roll mate.

Sorry I do NOT agree at all. Far too many developers lately have pushed out crap. I am distinctly tired of poorly thought out, unfinished games that fools layout money for. Look at ARK, horrible client that barely runs on many machines yet they continue to ignore the client to add more DLC.

I am really tired of developers ignoring major issues with their games just to make money. I do not see that with this developer and am willing to give them as much time as they need to actually provide us with a finished game, not some half assed, features thrown together POS.

They were releasing DLC before they even released the base game.

That had nothing to do with issuing a release date for the base game.

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