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Quitting MMOs for good (edit/update: Not fully since still play Ultima Online/Elite Dangerous)
TheScavenger
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I've tried every MMO pretty much, well all the "good" high quality ones. And to get it over with, its because MMOs aren't a good genre for me and it took me a long time to realize that. I like singleplayer/multiplayer games, or games like Elite Dangerous which is sorta an MMO (is it an MMO?) but can be 100% played as a singleplayer game with never interacting with anyone.
I don't like to be forced to group, I hate talking to people on voice chat, in real life I HATE talking on the phone and will go out of my way to avoid it (even hide in a box to not be found until the phone conversation is over, that is how much I hate talking to people). I hate people, and would very easily live on a mountain as a hermit and be perfectly happy surrounded by nature and quietness. That means MMOs are NOT for me, because MMOs are a social experience and I hate being social.
I will however play multiplayer games with my VERY small group of best friends I know in real life (I don't have many friends, but I keep a few very close tight friends), will even play games with people roaming around (like Elite Dangerous) and that is okay. I just don't want to be forced to socialize to get better at a game. Like WoW I hit 110, and to get the best items, gotta group for it or to see the storyline gotta be forced to group to do dungeons.
Does that make MMOs bad? Nope. But it took me a long time to finally say that MMOs are not for me. I hate being in a city in real life which is where I am now, and I hate being surrounded by people and noise and I hate kids even more lol. And I think a lot of solo focused MMO players might be slightly similar, and there are SO many better games for that experience.
Since quitting WoW a week ago. I've played so many games and have had so much more fun. Racing games (Dirt Rally), RPGs (Path of Exiles, Diablo 3, Skyrim), strategy games (starcraft 2, civilization 5)...and lots of games. My gaming experience is so much better, and I feel far less stress and anxiety from being forced to socialize in WoW to progress the story.
As for point of the thread? Well its to show that maybe many other solo focused players don't belong in an MMO. MMOs are supposed to be about socialization and grouping to progress. That is the very exact opposite of soloing in an MMO. Skyrim itself (with mods) is far more advanced than any MMO, same with many other singleplayer/multiplayer games. MMOs excel at socialization, and that should be their focus...not focus on solo players.
Anyway, probably pointless thread...but any thread someone makes is pretty pointless in the end :P
I don't like to be forced to group, I hate talking to people on voice chat, in real life I HATE talking on the phone and will go out of my way to avoid it (even hide in a box to not be found until the phone conversation is over, that is how much I hate talking to people). I hate people, and would very easily live on a mountain as a hermit and be perfectly happy surrounded by nature and quietness. That means MMOs are NOT for me, because MMOs are a social experience and I hate being social.
I will however play multiplayer games with my VERY small group of best friends I know in real life (I don't have many friends, but I keep a few very close tight friends), will even play games with people roaming around (like Elite Dangerous) and that is okay. I just don't want to be forced to socialize to get better at a game. Like WoW I hit 110, and to get the best items, gotta group for it or to see the storyline gotta be forced to group to do dungeons.
Does that make MMOs bad? Nope. But it took me a long time to finally say that MMOs are not for me. I hate being in a city in real life which is where I am now, and I hate being surrounded by people and noise and I hate kids even more lol. And I think a lot of solo focused MMO players might be slightly similar, and there are SO many better games for that experience.
Since quitting WoW a week ago. I've played so many games and have had so much more fun. Racing games (Dirt Rally), RPGs (Path of Exiles, Diablo 3, Skyrim), strategy games (starcraft 2, civilization 5)...and lots of games. My gaming experience is so much better, and I feel far less stress and anxiety from being forced to socialize in WoW to progress the story.
As for point of the thread? Well its to show that maybe many other solo focused players don't belong in an MMO. MMOs are supposed to be about socialization and grouping to progress. That is the very exact opposite of soloing in an MMO. Skyrim itself (with mods) is far more advanced than any MMO, same with many other singleplayer/multiplayer games. MMOs excel at socialization, and that should be their focus...not focus on solo players.
Anyway, probably pointless thread...but any thread someone makes is pretty pointless in the end :P
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Going on forums I choose to be here, and I don't hear anyones voice and no one hears my voice :P
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But I agree, MMOs should be made for people who like to socialize. That is what MMOs were built for. MMOs are the social experience. For solo players, or small group players with a tight knit group of friends....SO MANY better games out there for that play style.
I was playing MMOs like I was a square trying to fit in a round hole lol
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In WoW. I can't get the best items without grouping. If I want to do the hardest raids, everyone requires voice chat.
On a forum, I'm not required to use voice chat. I'm not forced to talk to people. In WoW, I am forced to group with people to get the best items. And I am forced to group with people to see the end of the story of each legion zone.
There is no voice chat on forums, there is only text. I don't mind talking people with text. I don't want to talk to people on voice, and if forums were forced on people (like I am forced to find a group to do legion dungeons to see the story in WoW) I wouldn't like that either
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Maybe there is an MMO I am missing where you can get the best items and do everything without a group or needing voice chat like in Skyrim like one of the responses implied. Maybe WoW is a forced group MMO (even though people say its solo focused) and I was playing the wrong one.
There isn't an MMO where you can treat it like Skyrim, and get 100% of everything and do every dungeon and raid without a group OR voice chat.
With...back to the question in OP...is Elite Dangerous an MMO? I never really bothered to look. Elite I can literally do everything by myself and treat it as a singleplayer game. Cause if it is, I guess the OP isn't entirely correct lol.
But I did say in the OP pretty clearly that I'm okay if other people are around as long as I'm not forced to get the best items OR be forced to group see the STORY of the game OR also needing voice chat to do so. So if Elite Dangerous is an MMO (I should google later after I get back from the store), guess I didn't quit rofl. But Elite Dangerous is literally more like a singleplayer game to me, I can do anything and everything without grouping lol.
But I dunno if people see Elite Dangerous as an MMO or not.
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Having said that, you leave me a little confused here. MMOs these days are full of folks, not unlike yourself, that want to be able to do everything without playing with others at all. WoW is probably the closest you'll get to that. It is possible to see every story WoW has to offer without typing or speaking the first word to another player. The 4 other players might as well be bots. This wasn't always the case, mind you, but today, LFR offers a compelling option for those like yourself. If you do it long enough, you'll even get the "best" gear via Titanforging. The automatic grouping tools provide a, mostly, on rails experience where no one even says, "Hi." You say you want to see the story, and WoW provides you a way to see it in its entirety without being forced to interact with others via voice chat, or even text chat. It seems to me like what you really want is to experience the rewards that high end gameplay offers (best gear, prestige, challenge, etc.) without doing it as a group. That simply isn't going to happen in any MMO worth your time, and I agree that the single player RPG experience is more your thing in this case.
Edit: Was it the Mythic+ dungeons that turned you off? The higher the difficulty gets, the more vile the players seem to get, so I do understand if that's the case for you.
There must be something since so many people do just solo but I myself wouldn't bother if that was my case, the social aspect is the main reason I like MMOs.
A game like the original Guildwars is a different matter, it could be as fun for soloers as well.
You want to drive a bus, but you don't want anyone else to be around but still get the same experience as in a sports car. Not going to happen.
The reason why I stop doing 3v3 arena weeks ago is because EST timezone players are at biggest disadvantage compared to CST, mountain zone and PST players. I'm not going to go into details, but being consistently forced to depend on something or someone that might or might not be close rating or simply online for me to do PvP was what did it for me.
I too have been enjoying SSF HC Path of Exile far more through the last weeks because unlike WOW I see myself playing it far more through the day. Finally, games attract younger audience and because evolution depends on time expect more toxicity and ignorance than what you would normally find elsewhere.
Humans belong in the invasive parasitic species category, more importantly they are far more ignorant than many other species based on what they spend their time doing through their lives and how quickly they evolve with such advanced life form and longevity. The fact they also believe are far more intelligent and superior from their other species to have the right to fully control their lives from birth to death further shows how indeed primal species we are today.
Anyways, don't overthink it too much, we are still living in a prehistoric era, one thousands of years from now that will most likely be ignored due to shame and sadness of how ignorant we once were, that is if we survive that long.
Well, Vendetta Online is a MMORPG (in design, at the very least). It is similar to Elite: Dangerous, the graphics aren't as nice, but it is 100% a MMO; except for the very first area, there are currently no instances separating players: everyone online at any given time is someone you could potentially be interacting with, whether or not you like it.
That stated, yes, you absolutely can get everything without group or voice chat. It's more difficult to do things that way, but I know at least one player that has. He created, solo, one of the most difficult to obtain ships; the Trident Type-M (a manufacturable capital ship).
I'm not trying to sell you on anything; I'm just curious what your opinion on the game might be as your post seems to be along the vein of having 'seen it all'. There is a lot of single-player content to it as well; I should know: I helped create a significant part of that content.
If you haven't tried it, then all I am doing is hoping to plant a seed of doubt in your opinion which one day might blossom into new realization.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
The only thing single player RPGs tend to get better is immersion (through focused stories and tighter control of the environment) and better balance (there will only ever be one of you, so combined with difficulty settings you can get the perfect difficulty for you as a player....in theory).
I imagine if there were more companies releasing open world RPGs like Skyrim or The Witcher 3, the MMO industry would take a big hit.
I've pug'd a lot in mmo's and not spoken a word the majority of the time.
TBH if you want to solo I'd suggest sticking to single player games as they're just better than MMOs in that regard in every way.
One final thing for you to think about. Have you considered that being social *might* be a desirable skill in life? Boxing yourself off from the world can work, but what are you actually willing to sacrifice to achieve this? Success? Fame? Companionship? From just this one thread, you appear to have a need to convince others that your reasons are valid.
Anyway, enjoy your life.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
But UO doesn't really have a typical endgame like WoW does. And UO offers a great OPTIONAL social experience, where as in WoW you are forced to group to do certain things or even progress the story.
Thanks for the suggestion someone gave me about Ultima Online
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