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A Feature I Would Like to See

AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
Just to have a name, I will call it "Affinity."

The idea is that every time you group with another player, and while grouped you accomplish some objective (be in general xp grinding, questing, raiding, whatever) the game remembers that you grouped with that player and assigns each of you an Affinity score. The score is based on how often you group together and how much you accomplish while grouped.

Players who group together often and accomplish things together gain high Affinity, and, depending on how high, it would grant you beneficial buffs, useful abilities available while grouped, or similar rewards.

I'm sure the idea needs refinement and poses some issues, but I think it's a worthwhile feature to consider, depending on the game?

 

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,367
    So basically, prospective players who can't schedule their lives around the game to play with particular other people repeatedly shouldn't bother with the game at all.

    Such a proposal would be particularly troublesome in the typical theme park where you're basically prevented from grouping with those you've grouped with in the past because your levels have diverged.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,000
    I like when grouped players get better xp and drops, I really think that's enough.  They usually get buffs cause there's a buffer in the group.

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  • General-ZodGeneral-Zod Member UncommonPosts: 868
    edited August 2017
    Amathe said:
    Just to have a name, I will call it "Affinity."

    The idea is that every time you group with another player, and while grouped you accomplish some objective (be in general xp grinding, questing, raiding, whatever) the game remembers that you grouped with that player and assigns each of you an Affinity score. The score is based on how often you group together and how much you accomplish while grouped.

    Players who group together often and accomplish things together gain high Affinity, and, depending on how high, it would grant you beneficial buffs, useful abilities available while grouped, or similar rewards.

    I'm sure the idea needs refinement and poses some issues, but I think it's a worthwhile feature to consider, depending on the game?

     
    Shout: "Starting a group, MUST HAVE (Stupid list of rare items) and Affinity Score must be over 500k" ...  because what would be the point of wasting hours of our lifetime if we weren't getting the best loot and best experience so Iater on tonight I can say how much better I am than you, not because i'm actually good at gaming but because I spend so much time playing cause dad lets me live with him and i'm in between jobs and my hobbies aren't necessarily going to get the ladies to throw their undergarments at me so I don't have any kids I have to spend time with bla bla blah
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,662
    Agree with General, as soon as there is a score for something then everyone wants a minimum value for it before grouping with someone.

    Or they may only group with select people in order to bolster affinity scores.

    There's already enough exclusionary mechanics in MMOs, no need for another.
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  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    edited August 2017
    SWTOR has something like that called social points, and can only be leveled when grouped.

    However the rewards for leveling social points are purely cosmetic.
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  • iixviiiixiixviiiix Member RarePosts: 2,256
    all items no bind , no level require to use contents/items and all content repeatable
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    why bother? It is not like when people group to gain some rewards, they are going to chat or anything beyond "wiz .. come over here". 
  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,326
    Be in a group should grant group members higher drop rates and XP, that should be enough of a carrot for people to group up.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,662
    why bother? It is not like when people group to gain some rewards, they are going to chat or anything beyond "wiz .. come over here". 
    For me I'm usually told,  "keep up or you are getting kicked"

    I dont PUG much anymore....

     :o 
    Amathe

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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    I agree.  But mostly on principle.  Having the game automatically track who I grouped with in previous sessions would be new.  Trying new things I support.  I just don't see a real need for such a feature unless I could track and review prior associations, maybe even add some notes of my own to help me remember the person.

    They may have been interesting and talkative, or completely dull and non-responsive.  They may have avoided group text and only communicate via /tell or /whisper.   An automated linkage wouldn't make a distinction between the two cases.  It might push me towards Ensign Dreary every time i log on because we share the same play time.   I want to qualify the linkage, I want to select those people who were enjoyable, not to automatically repeat an association with a jerk because we shared a group 11 days ago.

    There is a potential problem with automated linking.  Most people wouldn't want to continue an abusive situation.   Whatever the actual nature -- sexual behavior, hate speech, off-color comments or other offenses -- would be beyond the ability of a purely automated system to deal with.  A system that suggests players because I grouped with them previously could perpetuate the uncomfortable and unwanted situations.  That will drive players away from the game.

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 3,338
    edited August 2017
    Kyleran said:
    why bother? It is not like when people group to gain some rewards, they are going to chat or anything beyond "wiz .. come over here". 
    For me I'm usually told,  "keep up or you are getting kicked"

    I dont PUG much anymore....

     :o 
    I think viagra is a viable solution if you have problems with keeping it up. Don't worry mate, it's pretty nornal at your age. :P

    Take a pill and pug all night.
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  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,759
    edited August 2017
    It is a nice thought to have such a system, but after thinking about it for awhile I kinda went against it because of this reason.
    I would like a social mmorpg to encourage me to group with NEW people rather than giving more reasons to always hang with the same. I mean it is great to create deeper bonds with people in the game, but it also make those people hard to reach for outsiders and eventually also more single minded. For me at least the pull towards creating tighter bonds with the same handful of players comes naturally and I need something to pull me in the other direction.

    A typical result is that a tight group which is a part of a guild closes itself so much that as natural mmo-fall-away thins the ranks and the need to recruit new guild mates come, that they are unable to make the new players feel like a part of the group. On a larger scale this can be the same problem for the game itself, that veterans (not consciously) creates a community that is unwelcoming to new players.

    Anyways, my point is I think this effect is inevitable and slowly happening, so no need to create mechanics that speed it up. One of the mistakes I fear Pantheon is heading towards. 

    edit. But maybe some kind of affinity for just grouping and accomplishing things in general instead of it being tied to certain players. Sort of like group xp bonus does.
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  • EronakisEronakis Member UncommonPosts: 2,249
    I thought Vanguard did a decent job with their Mentor/Brotherhood(Caravan) system. Something like this would work best if you had a higher level friend able to scale down to your level to still do content with you. (Mentor System) or simply something along the lines of the Brotherhood/Caravan system. Where you can choose what players are in your brotherhood/caravan and you get to allot the percentage of experience you all share when they're offline. 
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Kyleran said:
    why bother? It is not like when people group to gain some rewards, they are going to chat or anything beyond "wiz .. come over here". 
    For me I'm usually told,  "keep up or you are getting kicked"

    I dont PUG much anymore....

     :o 
    If you can't change them, join them. It is a lot more fun doing the kicking than being kicked. 
  • ShinamiShinami Member UncommonPosts: 825
    Amathe said:
    Just to have a name, I will call it "Affinity."

    The idea is that every time you group with another player, and while grouped you accomplish some objective (be in general xp grinding, questing, raiding, whatever) the game remembers that you grouped with that player and assigns each of you an Affinity score. The score is based on how often you group together and how much you accomplish while grouped.

    Players who group together often and accomplish things together gain high Affinity, and, depending on how high, it would grant you beneficial buffs, useful abilities available while grouped, or similar rewards.

    I'm sure the idea needs refinement and poses some issues, but I think it's a worthwhile feature to consider, depending on the game?

     

    There are games out there where Affinity is handled through Guild Buffs that reward players in a guild for spending the time to raise the guild as high as possible. 

    What I learned from playing MMORPGs is that many take the shortest route to victory while factoring in every possible iota of gameplay advantage. Its pretty much an advanced mathematical optimization problem when we think about it...

    Problem is that 
    Given: a game with +10% EXP/Per player in the party
    Result: a game where people party with you for the bonus EXP, not for trying to get to know you. 
    Solution: Eliminate Party-Based EXP
    Response: players spec themselves to solo as much as possible and minimize parties. Party-Oriented players feel cheated and move to a game that treats parties better. 

    Given: A game where rewards exist for two players getting married in-game
    Result: A game where as many people try to get married for the sake of receiving those rewards. 
    Solution: Do not give bonuses for marriage
    Response: People either marry out of love (since no bonus exists) or they look for a game that has a bonus to marriage and move to that game. 

    Given: A game where rewards exist for parties clearing an area fast
    Result: Endgame statics power-gaming everything. 
    Solution: Normalize the rewards and focus on clearing challenges, and not clear times. 
    Response: Players adapt to still destroy a map with all its challenges as fast as possible and make specific party demands for it. 

    Given: Statics gain affinity levels
    Result: Hardcore Statics widen their distance and power to non-statics/pug parties.
    Solution: Eliminate Static Bonuses
    Response: While players on the lower-end celebrate the power of statics being diminished. The Statics, who make up the majority of whales in games end up leaving to another game that gives them bonuses. Game loses funding and closes down sooner than later since the public opinion of a collective group of whales has more weight and dollar signs than that of a collective group of tadpoles. 

    This last one can be met with a Counter-Solution since I did throw it into the F2P realm, and would demand a B2P and P2P solution as well to be fair. I do know people do not like to start with a bonus and then have it stripped from them. 

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,662
    Kyleran said:
    why bother? It is not like when people group to gain some rewards, they are going to chat or anything beyond "wiz .. come over here". 
    For me I'm usually told,  "keep up or you are getting kicked"

    I dont PUG much anymore....

     :o 
    If you can't change them, join them. It is a lot more fun doing the kicking than being kicked. 
    I took your other advice, playing single player games instead,  I'm basically indifferent to playing with others.

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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    age of wushu have this, but it was jsut a way to lock marriage I guess you had to have a certain number of affinity to marry, you could also raise affinity with npcs so you could get rewards or quests from then, but safe for that nothing changed much.

    btw the OP idea is bad, is really nice on paper, hell in RL
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