I'm not sure mismanagement or corruption are the appropriate terms.
I'm not sure there is any way to properly manage a command-system based economy. Every successful economy, is a free market system with some level of government regulation. What level works best is pretty debatable but the fact that systems that lean more command than free-market all fail really isn't. Any semi-succesful "socialist" nation definitely leans toward the free market. The most extreme examples of the command system have all ended in mass starvation and horrible human suffering.
But at least they've almost eliminated income inequality! Nobody has anything, but what's important is that it's equal, right? Right?
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Considering Venezuela is one of the most resource rich nations in the western hemisphere, and was the wealthiest nation in South America until Chavez took over, I'd say Mr. Churchill was spot on. Masses of people hunting stray dogs for food and lining up to eat garbage, on top of being arrested or killed if they dare to speak out against the government which caused the whole fiasco sounds pretty miserable to me.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
On the contrary, when it comes to Mismanagement, Socialism is probably near if not at the top of the list.
Replace "mismanagement" with "corruption"
Corruption will decay and destroy any system without prejudice.
Disagreed. Socialism doesn't have that much with corruption(not any significantly increased amount of it). Mismanagement? You bet! Because socialism is about feelings, opressed people etc. So, who cares if a Minister of Culture doesn't know who Sancho Panza is(just...lol)? All that matters is that he is...colored(excuse the lack of better term). See? It's not because of typical corruptive actions(nepotism, fraud, crime etc) but because of good intentions. And we all know where all the good intentions lead to without any brain usage.
I'm not talking about the corruption of a government. I'm talking about the corruption of a society.
Are you 100% honest with the taxman?
Are you 100% honest with your insurance company?
Do you cheat a little?
Do you lie a little?
In my country and society I could probably name hundreds of ways in which its citizens (from the poorest to the richest and everyone in between) lie and cheat the system.
Every single society, system, civilization hasn't stood the test of time yet. The one that lasted the longest so far was Ancient Egypt at 3500 years.
The United States of America is what... 240 years old.
On the contrary, when it comes to Mismanagement, Socialism is probably near if not at the top of the list.
Replace "mismanagement" with "corruption"
Corruption will decay and destroy any system without prejudice.
Disagreed. Socialism doesn't have that much with corruption(not any significantly increased amount of it). Mismanagement? You bet! Because socialism is about feelings, opressed people etc. So, who cares if a Minister of Culture doesn't know who Sancho Panza is(just...lol)? All that matters is that he is...colored(excuse the lack of better term). See? It's not because of typical corruptive actions(nepotism, fraud, crime etc) but because of good intentions. And we all know where all the good intentions lead to without any brain usage.
I'm not talking about the corruption of a government. I'm talking about the corruption of a society.
Are you 100% honest with the taxman?
Are you 100% honest with your insurance company?
Do you cheat a little?
Do you lie a little?
In my country and society I could probably name hundreds of ways in which its citizens (from the poorest to the richest and everyone in between) lie and cheat the system.
Every single society, system, civilization hasn't stood the test of time yet. The one that lasted the longest so far was Ancient Egypt at 3500 years.
The United States of America is what... 240 years old.
Think it will be around in another 240 years?
soooo, should we keep slaves and make everyone fearfull of they ruler(who btw was a avatar of gods) so we can keep things the way they are now? please teh best thing we can do is keep changing and move forward, but keep people free, less the goverment mess with things more things improve
On the contrary, when it comes to Mismanagement, Socialism is probably near if not at the top of the list.
Replace "mismanagement" with "corruption"
Corruption will decay and destroy any system without prejudice.
Disagreed. Socialism doesn't have that much with corruption(not any significantly increased amount of it). Mismanagement? You bet! Because socialism is about feelings, opressed people etc. So, who cares if a Minister of Culture doesn't know who Sancho Panza is(just...lol)? All that matters is that he is...colored(excuse the lack of better term). See? It's not because of typical corruptive actions(nepotism, fraud, crime etc) but because of good intentions. And we all know where all the good intentions lead to without any brain usage.
I'm not talking about the corruption of a government. I'm talking about the corruption of a society.
Are you 100% honest with the taxman?
Are you 100% honest with your insurance company?
Do you cheat a little?
Do you lie a little?
In my country and society I could probably name hundreds of ways in which its citizens (from the poorest to the richest and everyone in between) lie and cheat the system.
Every single society, system, civilization hasn't stood the test of time yet. The one that lasted the longest so far was Ancient Egypt at 3500 years.
The United States of America is what... 240 years old.
Think it will be around in another 240 years?
soooo, should we keep slaves and make everyone fearfull of they ruler(who btw was a avatar of gods) so we can keep things the way they are now? please teh best thing we can do is keep changing and move forward, but keep people free, less the goverment mess with things more things improve
???
There use to be a time when we had no Government and we were 100% free. If I was big and strong enough, I was free to make you my bitch.
Do you think the law and regulation books are thinner today than they were yesterday?
As is true with pretty much everything, there needs to be balance.
One of the secrets is, none of the systems work. They maintain a bit of equilibrium over time, but eventually oscillate out of control. They all have weaknesses, and the bigger the system the more they are subject to them.
Sorta like MMOs....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
On the contrary, when it comes to Mismanagement, Socialism is probably near if not at the top of the list.
Replace "mismanagement" with "corruption"
Corruption will decay and destroy any system without prejudice.
Disagreed. Socialism doesn't have that much with corruption(not any significantly increased amount of it). Mismanagement? You bet! Because socialism is about feelings, opressed people etc. So, who cares if a Minister of Culture doesn't know who Sancho Panza is(just...lol)? All that matters is that he is...colored(excuse the lack of better term). See? It's not because of typical corruptive actions(nepotism, fraud, crime etc) but because of good intentions. And we all know where all the good intentions lead to without any brain usage.
I'm not talking about the corruption of a government. I'm talking about the corruption of a society.
Are you 100% honest with the taxman?
Are you 100% honest with your insurance company?
Do you cheat a little?
Do you lie a little?
In my country and society I could probably name hundreds of ways in which its citizens (from the poorest to the richest and everyone in between) lie and cheat the system.
Every single society, system, civilization hasn't stood the test of time yet. The one that lasted the longest so far was Ancient Egypt at 3500 years.
The United States of America is what... 240 years old.
Think it will be around in another 240 years?
soooo, should we keep slaves and make everyone fearfull of they ruler(who btw was a avatar of gods) so we can keep things the way they are now? please teh best thing we can do is keep changing and move forward, but keep people free, less the goverment mess with things more things improve
???
There use to be a time when we had no Government and we were 100% free. If I was big and strong enough, I was free to make you my bitch.
Do you think the law and regulation books are thinner today than they were yesterday?
As is true with pretty much everything, there needs to be balance.
yeah todays world is not fun anymore like that you would be so fucked
I'm not sure mismanagement or corruption are the appropriate terms.
I'm not sure there is any way to properly manage a command-system based economy. Every successful economy, is a free market system with some level of government regulation. What level works best is pretty debatable but the fact that systems that lean more command than free-market all fail really isn't. Any semi-succesful "socialist" nation definitely leans toward the free market. The most extreme examples of the command system have all ended in mass starvation and horrible human suffering.
But so have extreme free market notions. Stuff like Pinochet. The real economic system should be a free market one where govt protects its own farmers while promoting free and fair trade. A balanced scenario if you will.
Well that's why I said: "Every successful economy, is a free market system with some level of government regulation."
Though I would say things that lean very heavily in the free market direction can and have been successful. Nothing that very closely resembles the command system ever has.
The primary difference between the command and free-market system is that in the free market system there is a demand for a good or service and a producer steps up to produce that until it is no longer profitable to do so, and that is how resource allocation is determined. In the command system a government official decided there is a need for a good or service and allocates resources to it based on how great they feel that need is.
What history has proven is that supply and demand always does greater job of resource allocation than human minds. Any semi-successful system we would describe as "socialist" starts with the free market system and tries to make it more "fair" through government regulation. Nothing good starts with the command system.
I'm not disagreeing with you that some level of intervention is needed. The only place a pure free market system exists is black markets. I don't really care to debate whether early America or modern Nordic countries have the balance more correct. At least not here, that would be too heavy of a heated political debate.
All I'm saying is the foundation of any successful economic system is the free market. Systems that use the command system as the foundation of their economic system have been horrible failures without exception.
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Corruption will decay and destroy any system without prejudice.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I'm not sure mismanagement or corruption are the appropriate terms.
I'm not sure there is any way to properly manage a command-system based economy. Every successful economy, is a free market system with some level of government regulation. What level works best is pretty debatable but the fact that systems that lean more command than free-market all fail really isn't. Any semi-succesful "socialist" nation definitely leans toward the free market. The most extreme examples of the command system have all ended in mass starvation and horrible human suffering.
Pretty much so. *cough* Murca.
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Considering Venezuela is one of the most resource rich nations in the western hemisphere, and was the wealthiest nation in South America until Chavez took over, I'd say Mr. Churchill was spot on. Masses of people hunting stray dogs for food and lining up to eat garbage, on top of being arrested or killed if they dare to speak out against the government which caused the whole fiasco sounds pretty miserable to me.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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Are you 100% honest with the taxman?
Are you 100% honest with your insurance company?
Do you cheat a little?
Do you lie a little?
In my country and society I could probably name hundreds of ways in which its citizens (from the poorest to the richest and everyone in between) lie and cheat the system.
Every single society, system, civilization hasn't stood the test of time yet. The one that lasted the longest so far was Ancient Egypt at 3500 years.
The United States of America is what... 240 years old.
Think it will be around in another 240 years?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Pretty sure everyone has heard that particular saying before, and knows exactly where it originated.
There use to be a time when we had no Government and we were 100% free. If I was big and strong enough, I was free to make you my bitch.
Do you think the law and regulation books are thinner today than they were yesterday?
As is true with pretty much everything, there needs to be balance.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Sorta like MMOs....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Though I would say things that lean very heavily in the free market direction can and have been successful. Nothing that very closely resembles the command system ever has.
The primary difference between the command and free-market system is that in the free market system there is a demand for a good or service and a producer steps up to produce that until it is no longer profitable to do so, and that is how resource allocation is determined. In the command system a government official decided there is a need for a good or service and allocates resources to it based on how great they feel that need is.
What history has proven is that supply and demand always does greater job of resource allocation than human minds. Any semi-successful system we would describe as "socialist" starts with the free market system and tries to make it more "fair" through government regulation. Nothing good starts with the command system.
All I'm saying is the foundation of any successful economic system is the free market. Systems that use the command system as the foundation of their economic system have been horrible failures without exception.