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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Renoaku said:
    He can't give Albion a try.  Because he got caught cheating in the beta and got banned.  Before he writes another wall of text of mental gymnastics.  The developer has called him out on it on this very forum.
    Actually the developer who responded here never proved anything of me cheating, or hacking in the Albion Online, the only proof they had which was really nothing was me talking to a person and accepting a trade in the game (Which was not cheating.) What got me banned from the game which I still say shouldn't have at least not for life is "Trading" across two different games which was a violation of the game rules, but I did not know this was illegal or I never would have trade across two different games. Given my account had (Zero Infractions) in 4 years, they should not have perm-banned it for a minor violation during testing like this. There are other players in this game who are more toxic to others even in chat which is far worse than accepting a trade in game.

    However the developer, and Albion team insists that I paid Real Money for some in game currency, but they can't prove this, although I can prove more than what that developer can.

    Also its not that I can't play Albion, I can get as many prepaid debit cards as I want to change my IP Address I got a million of them and make a new account, its that I am not going to bother with such a company that choose to backstab a 3-4 year backer On the first offense of anything done wrong in 4 years No previous infractions.

    But still my point is that "Albion" as a sand-box game could have been something more than what it is right now although, comparing that to pantheon, I bet that even Pantheon Online, is a better game than Albion will be.

    BruceYee said:

    Isn't he the #1 guy on this forum against anti-cheat programs and he got caught cheating? Dats sum trippy stuff right there.

    To be clear I hate "Hackers" or rather "Cheaters" when I talk about cheating, I am not talking about trading or buying gold, but people who intentionally use 3rd party programs hacks, or exploits to cheat in a game. I am not against "Anti Cheats" I am however against "Xing Code" and "Game Guard" because both these are installed without asking permission, and don't uninstall with the game once its removed from your computer.

    With this said in short, I am fine with Reputable Anti-Cheats like Battleye and Easy Anti Cheat, both of these ask consent, and customer service will provide you with instructions on how to uninstall /remove them if you no longer want it on your computer, obviously if you play a game that requires it, then it will ask you to install it again. This doesn't include the "XingCode" that damaged my "Android device", completely ruined it and modified files without consent.

    As far as Denuvo, I think its clearly obvious why I don't buy games with it.

    . Can slow down certain games
    . Takes up more resources
    . They got their own database compromised
    . They used illegally licensed software until they came to some sort of settlement from what I read.

    For those who think I still cheat online games feel free to take a look here.

    http://imgur.com/a/7DVJM

    . Proof my Gold Purchases came from "Sandbox Interactive" not 3rd parties at least not for real money.

    . Proof I had an account since 2013 with "Sandbox Interactive".

    . Proof that I have both "Battleye" and "Easy Anti Cheat" installed on my computer (so I am not against anti-cheats that are reputable.

    . Proof I have not been "VAC Banned" from any of the 200+ games I have on steam since 2005.

    If this doesn't show enough that I don't cheat online games then that is your choice of what you choose to believe.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    There is one thing I am strictly against though and that is lies, and its not so much just the fact of receive a actual ban from a game for the first time in over 17 years I think, its the principle that I had an account in  good standing for 4 years put in nearly $200, and then got an account ban, and it really does piss me off that developers steep as low as banning a user and accusing them of buying gold when they can't be 100% sure because obviously they have no logs of me talking about buying gold in game or anything.

    And also speaking about lies, its not because I am a cheater I hate the two biggest anti-cheats used in Korean games, its because they violate privacy of people, and not everyone agrees with that, I do however understand and know that both "Game Guard & Xing Code are easy to bypass and cheat anyways because I have seen lots of people from seeing online forum posts that do.

    Edit: and speaking about such Anti-Cheats, I doubt "Pantheon", Ashes OF Creation, Crow Fall, will use any type of Anti- Cheats like "Game Guard" or Rootkits that are malicious, I could be wrong, but I expect them to go with something more reputable, or something made by their own company which is cool by me.



    So let me get this straight. You're linking images of your email where you are getting in game gold and saying its coming from Sandbox Interactive which is fine I know they sell gold on their webpage. 

    What is highly suspicious is that the emails below those gold ones saying Galahad is coming is from Albion Online. Your gold emails are from Albiononline.....(meaning theres more you arent showing) so unless sandbox interactive is using a different email account to tell you your gold is ready and they happen to punctuate differently then congrats on giving further proof that the devs made the right choice.

    Your probably one of those people in a game caught speed hacking or attacking a level 1 invincible item (I'm looking at you Vanguard port stones...RIP) and then when the GM burns your ass for cheating you come up with all manner of excuses. 

    Just accept you fucked up, accept the posts mocking you since you kinda deserve it with a smile on your face and move on.

    MrMelGibsonKyleran
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,141
    edited June 2017
    Kefo said:
    So let me get this straight. You're linking images of your email where you are getting in game gold and saying its coming from Sandbox Interactive which is fine I know they sell gold on their webpage. 

    What is highly suspicious is that the emails below those gold ones saying Galahad is coming is from Albion Online. Your gold emails are from Albiononline.....(meaning theres more you arent showing) so unless sandbox interactive is using a different email account to tell you your gold is ready and they happen to punctuate differently then congrats on giving further proof that the devs made the right choice.

    Your probably one of those people in a game caught speed hacking or attacking a level 1 invincible item (I'm looking at you Vanguard port stones...RIP) and then when the GM burns your ass for cheating you come up with all manner of excuses. 

    Just accept you fucked up, accept the posts mocking you since you kinda deserve it with a smile on your face and move on.

    Hey thanks I understand some people are in doubt but will try to clear this up here.

    . Basically I used the search function of my "Yahoo Mail" to take a screen cap of the purchases I did with "Albion Online" or "Sandbox Interactive" these are the only purchases where I paid "Real Money" to make a few small transactions in game, and the only source which I would legally buy my gold, or currency from, including in other games such as "EVE" "WOW Tokens" and "Arche Age" All these games have legitimate ways to buy gold or currency with real money from the company.

    . No I wasn't speed hacking, nor would I hack even if I could or knew how, Sure if the developers wanted me to test hacks, or cheats, I would ask their permission first, and do it in a testing server with them (Never at any point would I use a 3rd party speed hack) even if the game doesn't have an Anti Cheat or could be cheated easily.

    So to clear up what my account was banned for here you go.
    http://imgur.com/a/1A8i7

    . Basically they say I purchased currency outside of their game, or using an illegal 3rd party for Real Money, I understand from their view it could look like this, because what I did still violated the rule which says you can't exchange in game items or currency, across two different games, or for Real Life favors or anything outside of the game. I was never aware of this and a couple of friends from a game I quit offered me currency in Albion for Items and stuff in the other game Truthfully if I were aware this was illegal I would not have done it.

    But I find it very hard to believe that the developers of this game would Life-Time ban a user for making such a mistake during a beta test, and I can say for certain, that if the developer or someone actually lifted my ban I would not get banned again for breaking the exchanging across game rules again, or buying currency (Unless its currency from Sandbox Interactive.)

    After all they are wiping the game again, so me buying real currency for money wouldn't make any sense now would it?

    And on top of this one, 
    I find putting my faith blindly in a small indie company based out of Germany is obviously not something I should have done especially with Developers who are going to ban for this reason, even though I admit it was my fault missing this part of the rules. Most companies would not ban for any first offense even if a user did buy currency illegally.

    https://forum.albiononline.com/index.php/Thread/40929-Account-ban-and-suspension-recap/ This here is also their warning to players not to purchase currency, at no point does it say I can't exchange across two different games, or for Real Life favors and so on, and this is what I was following.

    MrMelGibsonjpedrote52Distopia
  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,027
    Kefo said:
    Renoaku said:
    He can't give Albion a try.  Because he got caught cheating in the beta and got banned.  Before he writes another wall of text of mental gymnastics.  The developer has called him out on it on this very forum.
    Actually the developer who responded here never proved anything of me cheating, or hacking in the Albion Online, the only proof they had which was really nothing was me talking to a person and accepting a trade in the game (Which was not cheating.) What got me banned from the game which I still say shouldn't have at least not for life is "Trading" across two different games which was a violation of the game rules, but I did not know this was illegal or I never would have trade across two different games. Given my account had (Zero Infractions) in 4 years, they should not have perm-banned it for a minor violation during testing like this. There are other players in this game who are more toxic to others even in chat which is far worse than accepting a trade in game.

    However the developer, and Albion team insists that I paid Real Money for some in game currency, but they can't prove this, although I can prove more than what that developer can.

    Also its not that I can't play Albion, I can get as many prepaid debit cards as I want to change my IP Address I got a million of them and make a new account, its that I am not going to bother with such a company that choose to backstab a 3-4 year backer On the first offense of anything done wrong in 4 years No previous infractions.

    But still my point is that "Albion" as a sand-box game could have been something more than what it is right now although, comparing that to pantheon, I bet that even Pantheon Online, is a better game than Albion will be.

    BruceYee said:

    Isn't he the #1 guy on this forum against anti-cheat programs and he got caught cheating? Dats sum trippy stuff right there.

    To be clear I hate "Hackers" or rather "Cheaters" when I talk about cheating, I am not talking about trading or buying gold, but people who intentionally use 3rd party programs hacks, or exploits to cheat in a game. I am not against "Anti Cheats" I am however against "Xing Code" and "Game Guard" because both these are installed without asking permission, and don't uninstall with the game once its removed from your computer.

    With this said in short, I am fine with Reputable Anti-Cheats like Battleye and Easy Anti Cheat, both of these ask consent, and customer service will provide you with instructions on how to uninstall /remove them if you no longer want it on your computer, obviously if you play a game that requires it, then it will ask you to install it again. This doesn't include the "XingCode" that damaged my "Android device", completely ruined it and modified files without consent.

    As far as Denuvo, I think its clearly obvious why I don't buy games with it.

    . Can slow down certain games
    . Takes up more resources
    . They got their own database compromised
    . They used illegally licensed software until they came to some sort of settlement from what I read.

    For those who think I still cheat online games feel free to take a look here.

    http://imgur.com/a/7DVJM

    . Proof my Gold Purchases came from "Sandbox Interactive" not 3rd parties at least not for real money.

    . Proof I had an account since 2013 with "Sandbox Interactive".

    . Proof that I have both "Battleye" and "Easy Anti Cheat" installed on my computer (so I am not against anti-cheats that are reputable.

    . Proof I have not been "VAC Banned" from any of the 200+ games I have on steam since 2005.

    If this doesn't show enough that I don't cheat online games then that is your choice of what you choose to believe.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    There is one thing I am strictly against though and that is lies, and its not so much just the fact of receive a actual ban from a game for the first time in over 17 years I think, its the principle that I had an account in  good standing for 4 years put in nearly $200, and then got an account ban, and it really does piss me off that developers steep as low as banning a user and accusing them of buying gold when they can't be 100% sure because obviously they have no logs of me talking about buying gold in game or anything.

    And also speaking about lies, its not because I am a cheater I hate the two biggest anti-cheats used in Korean games, its because they violate privacy of people, and not everyone agrees with that, I do however understand and know that both "Game Guard & Xing Code are easy to bypass and cheat anyways because I have seen lots of people from seeing online forum posts that do.

    Edit: and speaking about such Anti-Cheats, I doubt "Pantheon", Ashes OF Creation, Crow Fall, will use any type of Anti- Cheats like "Game Guard" or Rootkits that are malicious, I could be wrong, but I expect them to go with something more reputable, or something made by their own company which is cool by me.



    So let me get this straight. You're linking images of your email where you are getting in game gold and saying its coming from Sandbox Interactive which is fine I know they sell gold on their webpage. 

    What is highly suspicious is that the emails below those gold ones saying Galahad is coming is from Albion Online. Your gold emails are from Albiononline.....(meaning theres more you arent showing) so unless sandbox interactive is using a different email account to tell you your gold is ready and they happen to punctuate differently then congrats on giving further proof that the devs made the right choice.

    Your probably one of those people in a game caught speed hacking or attacking a level 1 invincible item (I'm looking at you Vanguard port stones...RIP) and then when the GM burns your ass for cheating you come up with all manner of excuses. 

    Just accept you fucked up, accept the posts mocking you since you kinda deserve it with a smile on your face and move on.

    He won't.  He will just keep writing huge walls of text repeating the same nonsense.  I've never seen such cognitive dissonance on this forum.  It's actually kind of sad how he is just incapable of taking responsibility for his actions.
    KyleranMendelDistopia
  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335
    Renoaku said:
    Should have pledged to Ashes OF Creation instead $500 for a Lifetime Subscription.

    I've seen "several" games sell lifetime subs, only to go F2P after just a few months.

    Offering lifetime subs should be a huge red flag for an up-front cash grab. Either the company is planning on transitioning to a cash shop model or they simply are not planning long term.

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
    Benjamin Franklin

  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    edited June 2017
    Renoaku said:
    Should have pledged to Ashes OF Creation instead $500 for a Lifetime Subscription.

    I've seen "several" games sell lifetime subs, only to go F2P after just a few months.

    Offering lifetime subs should be a huge red flag for an up-front cash grab. Either the company is planning on transitioning to a cash shop model or they simply are not planning long term.

    I dunno. LotRO lifetime sub was/is the best investment I ever made. I never had to spend a dime on the game and I get cash shop money every month to use in their store. If I would have skipped the lifetime sub, I would have spent at least 10x what I have to date.

    As as long as the game survives, it's a great investment.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    ~~ postlarval ~~

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,030
    Renoaku said:
    Should have pledged to Ashes OF Creation instead $500 for a Lifetime Subscription.

    I've seen "several" games sell lifetime subs, only to go F2P after just a few months.

    Offering lifetime subs should be a huge red flag for an up-front cash grab. Either the company is planning on transitioning to a cash shop model or they simply are not planning long term.

    I dunno. LotRO lifetime sub was/is the best investment I ever made. I never had to spend a dime on the game and I get cash shop money every month to use in their store. If I would have skipped the lifetime sub, I would have spent at least 10x what I have to date.

    As as long as the game survives, it's a great investment.
    Also assuming you still want to play it.

    I quit about 60 days post launch and never went back.

    Lifetime in EVE, now that would have been a value.

    waynejr2

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  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    Kyleran said:
    Renoaku said:
    Should have pledged to Ashes OF Creation instead $500 for a Lifetime Subscription.

    I've seen "several" games sell lifetime subs, only to go F2P after just a few months.

    Offering lifetime subs should be a huge red flag for an up-front cash grab. Either the company is planning on transitioning to a cash shop model or they simply are not planning long term.

    I dunno. LotRO lifetime sub was/is the best investment I ever made. I never had to spend a dime on the game and I get cash shop money every month to use in their store. If I would have skipped the lifetime sub, I would have spent at least 10x what I have to date.

    As as long as the game survives, it's a great investment.
    Also assuming you still want to play it.

    I quit about 60 days post launch and never went back.

    Lifetime in EVE, now that would have been a value.


    Goonswarm would just love life time subs in EvE.
    " Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who  Would Threaten It "
                                            MAGA
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Kefo said:
    Renoaku said:
    He can't give Albion a try.  Because he got caught cheating in the beta and got banned.  Before he writes another wall of text of mental gymnastics.  The developer has called him out on it on this very forum.
    Actually the developer who responded here never proved anything of me cheating, or hacking in the Albion Online, the only proof they had which was really nothing was me talking to a person and accepting a trade in the game (Which was not cheating.) What got me banned from the game which I still say shouldn't have at least not for life is "Trading" across two different games which was a violation of the game rules, but I did not know this was illegal or I never would have trade across two different games. Given my account had (Zero Infractions) in 4 years, they should not have perm-banned it for a minor violation during testing like this. There are other players in this game who are more toxic to others even in chat which is far worse than accepting a trade in game.

    However the developer, and Albion team insists that I paid Real Money for some in game currency, but they can't prove this, although I can prove more than what that developer can.

    Also its not that I can't play Albion, I can get as many prepaid debit cards as I want to change my IP Address I got a million of them and make a new account, its that I am not going to bother with such a company that choose to backstab a 3-4 year backer On the first offense of anything done wrong in 4 years No previous infractions.

    But still my point is that "Albion" as a sand-box game could have been something more than what it is right now although, comparing that to pantheon, I bet that even Pantheon Online, is a better game than Albion will be.

    BruceYee said:

    Isn't he the #1 guy on this forum against anti-cheat programs and he got caught cheating? Dats sum trippy stuff right there.

    To be clear I hate "Hackers" or rather "Cheaters" when I talk about cheating, I am not talking about trading or buying gold, but people who intentionally use 3rd party programs hacks, or exploits to cheat in a game. I am not against "Anti Cheats" I am however against "Xing Code" and "Game Guard" because both these are installed without asking permission, and don't uninstall with the game once its removed from your computer.

    With this said in short, I am fine with Reputable Anti-Cheats like Battleye and Easy Anti Cheat, both of these ask consent, and customer service will provide you with instructions on how to uninstall /remove them if you no longer want it on your computer, obviously if you play a game that requires it, then it will ask you to install it again. This doesn't include the "XingCode" that damaged my "Android device", completely ruined it and modified files without consent.

    As far as Denuvo, I think its clearly obvious why I don't buy games with it.

    . Can slow down certain games
    . Takes up more resources
    . They got their own database compromised
    . They used illegally licensed software until they came to some sort of settlement from what I read.

    For those who think I still cheat online games feel free to take a look here.

    http://imgur.com/a/7DVJM

    . Proof my Gold Purchases came from "Sandbox Interactive" not 3rd parties at least not for real money.

    . Proof I had an account since 2013 with "Sandbox Interactive".

    . Proof that I have both "Battleye" and "Easy Anti Cheat" installed on my computer (so I am not against anti-cheats that are reputable.

    . Proof I have not been "VAC Banned" from any of the 200+ games I have on steam since 2005.

    If this doesn't show enough that I don't cheat online games then that is your choice of what you choose to believe.
    --------------------------------------------------------
    There is one thing I am strictly against though and that is lies, and its not so much just the fact of receive a actual ban from a game for the first time in over 17 years I think, its the principle that I had an account in  good standing for 4 years put in nearly $200, and then got an account ban, and it really does piss me off that developers steep as low as banning a user and accusing them of buying gold when they can't be 100% sure because obviously they have no logs of me talking about buying gold in game or anything.

    And also speaking about lies, its not because I am a cheater I hate the two biggest anti-cheats used in Korean games, its because they violate privacy of people, and not everyone agrees with that, I do however understand and know that both "Game Guard & Xing Code are easy to bypass and cheat anyways because I have seen lots of people from seeing online forum posts that do.

    Edit: and speaking about such Anti-Cheats, I doubt "Pantheon", Ashes OF Creation, Crow Fall, will use any type of Anti- Cheats like "Game Guard" or Rootkits that are malicious, I could be wrong, but I expect them to go with something more reputable, or something made by their own company which is cool by me.



    So let me get this straight. You're linking images of your email where you are getting in game gold and saying its coming from Sandbox Interactive which is fine I know they sell gold on their webpage. 

    What is highly suspicious is that the emails below those gold ones saying Galahad is coming is from Albion Online. Your gold emails are from Albiononline.....(meaning theres more you arent showing) so unless sandbox interactive is using a different email account to tell you your gold is ready and they happen to punctuate differently then congrats on giving further proof that the devs made the right choice.

    Your probably one of those people in a game caught speed hacking or attacking a level 1 invincible item (I'm looking at you Vanguard port stones...RIP) and then when the GM burns your ass for cheating you come up with all manner of excuses. 

    Just accept you fucked up, accept the posts mocking you since you kinda deserve it with a smile on your face and move on.

    He won't.  He will just keep writing huge walls of text repeating the same nonsense.  I've never seen such cognitive dissonance on this forum.  It's actually kind of sad how he is just incapable of taking responsibility for his actions.
    Oh I know but wanted to see if they would actually say anything about ratting themselves out but nope just another wall of text
    MrMelGibson
  • Angier2758Angier2758 Member UncommonPosts: 1,026
    I really don't think there are that many people willing to drop $1K + for an unfinished product, but then again there are people willing to drop $495 for a pair of crappy shoes.  Part of the problem here with people claiming they're willing to "invest" that much in a game is that they will become complete shills for their game.  We're already too polarized.
    Kyleran
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    Kyleran said:
    Renoaku said:
    Should have pledged to Ashes OF Creation instead $500 for a Lifetime Subscription.

    I've seen "several" games sell lifetime subs, only to go F2P after just a few months.

    Offering lifetime subs should be a huge red flag for an up-front cash grab. Either the company is planning on transitioning to a cash shop model or they simply are not planning long term.

    I dunno. LotRO lifetime sub was/is the best investment I ever made. I never had to spend a dime on the game and I get cash shop money every month to use in their store. If I would have skipped the lifetime sub, I would have spent at least 10x what I have to date.

    As as long as the game survives, it's a great investment.
    Also assuming you still want to play it.

    I quit about 60 days post launch and never went back.

    Lifetime in EVE, now that would have been a value.

    Well, yeah. Obviously.

    LotRO was a great investment for me. Now I also have a lifetime in The Secret World and that was a complete waste of money.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    ~~ postlarval ~~

  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,538
    Well, yeah. Obviously.

    LotRO was a great investment for me. Now I also have a lifetime in The Secret World and that was a complete waste of money.
    So we can all agree that when considering a lfietime sub, there's at least two risks involved:

    A)  Will the game survive long enough for the life time sub to be worth it?

    B)  Will you enjoy the game long enough for the lifetime sub to be worth it?


    However, with kickstarter/crowdfunding MMOs, we can add a third very important risk.

    C)  Will the game actually come out in the first place?





    Two factors is already risky enough.  Even you, postlarval, are only 50/50 when it comes to success with lifetime subs as you've stated (LOTR = win, Secret World = fail).  Now think about how much riskier it is when there's no guarantee the game will even come out.  And that's before tacking on other potential ones like "Will you still care about the game at that point?" or heck, even "Will you still have your life at that point?" considering how long it takes crowdfunded MMOs to come out (so far there's been like, one that has.  Shroud of the Avatar.  And it's not a very impressive showing)
    postlarval
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    edited June 2017
    Tiamat64 said:
    Well, yeah. Obviously.

    LotRO was a great investment for me. Now I also have a lifetime in The Secret World and that was a complete waste of money.
    So we can all agree that when considering a lfietime sub, there's at least two risks involved:

    A)  Will the game survive long enough for the life time sub to be worth it?

    B)  Will you enjoy the game long enough for the lifetime sub to be worth it?


    However, with kickstarter/crowdfunding MMOs, we can add a third very important risk.

    C)  Will the game actually come out in the first place?





    Two factors is already risky enough.  Even you, postlarval, are only 50/50 when it comes to success with lifetime subs as you've stated (LOTR = win, Secret World = fail).  Now think about how much riskier it is when there's no guarantee the game will even come out.  And that's before tacking on other potential ones like "Will you still care about the game at that point?" or heck, even "Will you still have your life at that point?" considering how long it takes crowdfunded MMOs to come out (so far there's been like, one that has.  Shroud of the Avatar.  And it's not a very impressive showing)
    Oh, you're preaching to the choir about kickstarter/crowdfunded/EA games.

    BTW, Should of the Avatar isn't out. Portalarium delivered a streaming pile of shit instead of SotA. That was the game I invested in that made me swear off these scams forever.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    ~~ postlarval ~~

  • CynicizmCynicizm Member UncommonPosts: 4
    Pantheon fan and supporter here. While I understand some of you are definitely skeptical about funding games like this now, you should probably do a bit more research on the game and the people involved with it.

    Some don't like Brad McQuiad. That's fine, but if you did some research properly, the games didn't fail because of him, they THRIVED because of him. He created those games, but was never given the time he needed to make the game what he wanted it to be. Every single time he was forced off the project or was directed by someone above him to do something else with the project that he didn't plan. Vanguard was great for many people who played it. The issue was all the bugs involved. He was forced to release way sooner than he/the game/his team was ready for.

    I'm skeptical just like some of you when it comes to kickstarters. SotA is a game I was looking into, I'm glad I didn't support it. Star Citizen is probably on the top of my list of games/companies to watch out for in topics of scamming kickstarter games. $150 million dollars and 4 years later and the game isn't even close to 100% completion. Yet, they are talking about adding in Squadron 42, whatever the heck that is. I did my fair research and I know that I don't know everything about the game itself, but I know how some of their long time supporters feel about where the game is going and they wanted out. People are calling all the necessary names in the book to make sure they get their money back. Lawyers, banks, District Attorney's, etc. 

    The only thing I can do for those who are skeptical is tell you to do some research. Look into it! You'll find a lot of interesting stuff. Most of it is just ideas of what they want the game to be, but some of that has already been added to the game.

    My biggest example from what I mentioned above is with AoC (Ashes of Creation). Look how AMAZING that game looks. It's pre-pre-alpha like Pantheon. They were more successful on kickstarter than Pantheon. They also had a $30 million head start because of the creative director who is responsible for the creation of this game. Looks and sounds like a great game, right? Come to find the creative director has ZERO experience when it comes to developing games. His only experience comes from playing the games himself! He also talks about these nodes and stuff he wants to add to the game. They've done a good amount of streaming with the first 2 months they even began streaming, but if you pay real close attention, there's hardly any game play footage. One video showed a max of like 30 mins of game play and it was the same you saw in their youtube videos/previous streams. I'll give them a few more months though to start actually fixing that. Hopefully they do. Pantheon while they don't stream as often as these guys do; every time they do stream, you see game play and progress. They talked about an acclimation system and showed how it works in one of their previous streams. 1. They talked about one of their ideas for the game. 2. They showed it. That's what you should be seeing in streams and videos: progress, ideas, and more of the map.

    If it's too big of a risk for you to invest now, you probably should try to avoid investing in ANY game. There is too much risk with kickstarter. Someone already said it above me, but there's no one holding these people accountable for the game they create. They could face a class action lawsuit like No Man's Sky did, and their reputation would be so ruined, but who cares when you've made so much money off of people? But that doesn't mean every single game is a scam and is bad to fund. There are already successful kickstarters out there. Funded, tested, and released. There are also some that have already failed or are in decline. JUST DO YOUR RESEARCH.

    Worst case scenario, you're interested but skeptical of supporting the game. Wait for free beta keys or something. Closed beta weekends, alpha keys, etc. I'm sure they want people to test the game... But as many times as Brad has been screwed over by some of these companies he was working for/with. I wouldn't want to work under anyone either... Sorry for what seems to be a rant. I'm not ranting angrily, more so out of frustration for the people who use their skepticism to deter people away from the game. I'm not here to convince you Pantheon will be a WoW killer or anything. I'm excited for the game and I've stated that I'm a fan. Just look into the game a bit more before you decide whether it's something you like or dislike. If it peaks your interest, they release a newsletter every single month -- just come back every month or 2 and see whats up!

    If it's not something you're interested in, that's fine, it's more focused on people who were in love with games like EQ1, EQ2, and Vanguard. It might not have the PVP you enjoy or all the solo content in the world you can play by yourself. I wish you the best of luck in finding a game that fits your gaming habits.
    MrMelGibson
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,030
    Cynicizm said:
    Pantheon fan and supporter here. While I understand some of you are definitely skeptical about funding games like this now, you should probably do a bit more research on the game and the people involved with it.

    Some don't like Brad McQuiad. That's fine, but if you did some research properly, the games didn't fail because of him, they THRIVED because of him. He created those games, but was never given the time he needed to make the game what he wanted it to be. Every single time he was forced off the project or was directed by someone above him to do something else with the project that he didn't plan. Vanguard was great for many people who played it. The issue was all the bugs involved. He was forced to release way sooner than he/the game/his team was ready for.

    I'm skeptical just like some of you when it comes to kickstarters. SotA is a game I was looking into, I'm glad I didn't support it. Star Citizen is probably on the top of my list of games/companies to watch out for in topics of scamming kickstarter games. $150 million dollars and 4 years later and the game isn't even close to 100% completion. Yet, they are talking about adding in Squadron 42, whatever the heck that is. I did my fair research and I know that I don't know everything about the game itself, but I know how some of their long time supporters feel about where the game is going and they wanted out. People are calling all the necessary names in the book to make sure they get their money back. Lawyers, banks, District Attorney's, etc. 

    The only thing I can do for those who are skeptical is tell you to do some research. Look into it! You'll find a lot of interesting stuff. Most of it is just ideas of what they want the game to be, but some of that has already been added to the game.

    My biggest example from what I mentioned above is with AoC (Ashes of Creation). Look how AMAZING that game looks. It's pre-pre-alpha like Pantheon. They were more successful on kickstarter than Pantheon. They also had a $30 million head start because of the creative director who is responsible for the creation of this game. Looks and sounds like a great game, right? Come to find the creative director has ZERO experience when it comes to developing games. His only experience comes from playing the games himself! He also talks about these nodes and stuff he wants to add to the game. They've done a good amount of streaming with the first 2 months they even began streaming, but if you pay real close attention, there's hardly any game play footage. One video showed a max of like 30 mins of game play and it was the same you saw in their youtube videos/previous streams. I'll give them a few more months though to start actually fixing that. Hopefully they do. Pantheon while they don't stream as often as these guys do; every time they do stream, you see game play and progress. They talked about an acclimation system and showed how it works in one of their previous streams. 1. They talked about one of their ideas for the game. 2. They showed it. That's what you should be seeing in streams and videos: progress, ideas, and more of the map.

    If it's too big of a risk for you to invest now, you probably should try to avoid investing in ANY game. There is too much risk with kickstarter. Someone already said it above me, but there's no one holding these people accountable for the game they create. They could face a class action lawsuit like No Man's Sky did, and their reputation would be so ruined, but who cares when you've made so much money off of people? But that doesn't mean every single game is a scam and is bad to fund. There are already successful kickstarters out there. Funded, tested, and released. There are also some that have already failed or are in decline. JUST DO YOUR RESEARCH.

    Worst case scenario, you're interested but skeptical of supporting the game. Wait for free beta keys or something. Closed beta weekends, alpha keys, etc. I'm sure they want people to test the game... But as many times as Brad has been screwed over by some of these companies he was working for/with. I wouldn't want to work under anyone either... Sorry for what seems to be a rant. I'm not ranting angrily, more so out of frustration for the people who use their skepticism to deter people away from the game. I'm not here to convince you Pantheon will be a WoW killer or anything. I'm excited for the game and I've stated that I'm a fan. Just look into the game a bit more before you decide whether it's something you like or dislike. If it peaks your interest, they release a newsletter every single month -- just come back every month or 2 and see whats up!

    If it's not something you're interested in, that's fine, it's more focused on people who were in love with games like EQ1, EQ2, and Vanguard. It might not have the PVP you enjoy or all the solo content in the world you can play by yourself. I wish you the best of luck in finding a game that fits your gaming habits.
    Fair enough but either you are unaware of or applying a bit of revisionist history over Brad's involvement / responsibility for Vangards lack of success.

    There's been much debate by the apologetics over why and how it's really not his fault but at the end of the day he was at the helm so bears the bulk of the responsibility.

    Even now fans are quick to point out hes not in control of the new studio, other more business savy folks are running it while Brads been relegated to a more limited creative role.

    People are correct to be cautious and skeptical of funding KSer MMORPGs, especially ones striving to deliver a full featured one on a shoestring budget.

    To date not one has been formally released though Albion Online may become the first later this year

    Take a hard look at what Albion Online is delivering, this game (and others) are promising so much more so credibility comes into question.

    I backed CU, which is focusing on a much smaller PVP oriented content base, and its been over 4 years with no firm beta date in sight, never mind a release date.

    Interesting you brought up Ashes, whose inexperienced Lead has said he's arranged for $30M in funding to build his game.

    Regardless whether you believe him, his estimate seems more accurate than most I've seen and so is no less credible than this team.




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  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    I decided to send VR my $250, because I really want to see this game succeed. The MMORPG genre has been de-railed by mainstream'ism and I would like it back. 
    Kilsin
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,030
    I decided to send VR my $250, because I really want to see this game succeed. The MMORPG genre has been de-railed by mainstream'ism and I would like it back. 
    Did you attach a note telling them to make sure they accurately recreate the EQ PVP experience? ;)
    MrMelGibson

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    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing FO76 at the moment.

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

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  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Kyleran said:
    I decided to send VR my $250, because I really want to see this game succeed. The MMORPG genre has been de-railed by mainstream'ism and I would like it back. 
    Did you attach a note telling them to make sure they accurately recreate the EQ PVP experience? ;)

    I know it is quite the gamble, but from what I've seen so far I am satisfied. 
    Kilsin
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 37,030
    Kyleran said:
    I decided to send VR my $250, because I really want to see this game succeed. The MMORPG genre has been de-railed by mainstream'ism and I would like it back. 
    Did you attach a note telling them to make sure they accurately recreate the EQ PVP experience? ;)

    I know it is quite the gamble, but from what I've seen so far I am satisfied. 
    From what I've seen it's one of the better bets out there.
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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Kyleran said:

    I know it is quite the gamble, but from what I've seen so far I am satisfied. 
    From what I've seen it's one of the better bets out there.
    My thoughts exactly. I wish there were more promising ones though but it is the only one that seems interesting enough for me to back, at least at this moment.

    But I never really liked EQ for it's PvP, I just want a nice group focused PvE game in this case. Others do and that is fine but I think I will have to look elsewhere for the PvP part. Not that it really matters to me, I have no problem playing one game for PvE and one for PvP, done it before.
    MrMelGibsonKilsin
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