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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Horusra said:
    Loke666 there is some belief that Egypt was trading with Asian cultures that in turn were trading with American continent cultures.
    Sounds logical to me. Still need to be proven though but not that unlikely.

    Pyramids and temples in Grand Canyon that unlike the ones in egypt can't be identified (or even entered) is another matter. I can't prove that they aren't something the Egyptians made but the ball is in the other court here, the vids does not prove anything.

    There are far better evidence to support that Irish monks were in North America 1500 years ago (well, we have St Brennans story and the fact that plants he describes are rather spot on), that is still very weak evidence wise but there are at least some which makes it possible but still in need of more evidence. They did sail to Iceland before the Vikings and possibly Greenland at least.

    Of course, getting an expert Egyptolog to look on the so called "temples" would solve the thing for good but I don't think that is what the people here are after.

    Soon people will claim bigfoot built the Newport tower...

    The Egyptian ships were not good enough to travel to the new world. The Phoenicians possible had ships that could do the journey in ancient times (not the same thing at all as that they did but they at least would be more logical here even if no evidence I know of would suggest they did) but not the Egyptians. To my knowledge were most Egyptian ships made for the Nile even though some sailed the red sea and the northern coast.
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  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
    Khemetians were the true so called Egyptians, Egypt is a European name.  Khemetians had the knowledge


  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
    http://www.myoldmaps.com/renaissance-maps-1490-1800/3291-the-miller-atlas-.pdf

    The Atlas Miller map depicting natives in south america
    The Atlas Miller map from Portugal depicting natives in South Americas 1519
  • RobokappRobokapp Member RarePosts: 6,122
    Doesnt it make more sense to enslave the people that were already here instead of getting them from across the Atlantic?


    they were not as ideally suitable for the work that they were used towards - was the main reason.

    Besides, most slaves from Africa were purchased off the market and transported over. The "enslaving" process had already been done by the local more dominant tribes.

    Ships cross the Atlantic anyway to ferry goods back to Europe. It was more rentable to buy slaves in Africa than to enslave in America.

    There's no major difficulty to raise a chicken in your backyard but it's easier to buy a chicken breast cut and ready to be cooked in the store. 

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  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,691
    Robokapp said:
    Doesnt it make more sense to enslave the people that were already here instead of getting them from across the Atlantic?


    they were not as ideally suitable for the work that they were used towards - was the main reason.

    Besides, most slaves from Africa were purchased off the market and transported over. The "enslaving" process had already been done by the local more dominant tribes.

    Ships cross the Atlantic anyway to ferry goods back to Europe. It was more rentable to buy slaves in Africa than to enslave in America.

    There's no major difficulty to raise a chicken in your backyard but it's easier to buy a chicken breast cut and ready to be cooked in the store. 
    It wasn't always that logical. 

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  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
    Robokapp said:
    Doesnt it make more sense to enslave the people that were already here instead of getting them from across the Atlantic?


    they were not as ideally suitable for the work that they were used towards - was the main reason.

    Besides, most slaves from Africa were purchased off the market and transported over. The "enslaving" process had already been done by the local more dominant tribes.

    Ships cross the Atlantic anyway to ferry goods back to Europe. It was more rentable to buy slaves in Africa than to enslave in America.

    There's no major difficulty to raise a chicken in your backyard but it's easier to buy a chicken breast cut and ready to be cooked in the store. 
    Most of the black slaves were already here (natives), some were brought from a place called Juda in Africa because they were the same type of black people as the black natives of Americas.  Slaves were being transported from America to other places.

    There were millions of slaves

    Not enough boats
    Took 4-5 months
    The slaves in the boat would not have survived in such conditions
    Majority would have died from being like this for over 4-5 months especially with bad food.
    And the weather and sea made it worse. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_VpG4Atsmu_d0t5STItWVBYZ2c/view

    Image result for slaves in ship

  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
    Gotta understand that this man was everywhere in the world and that this your daddy, although many have Neanderthal DNA in them (Probably from Neanderthals raping the homo-sapien)

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old/
    https://mic.com/articles/29612/descendant-of-adam-found-in-south-carolina-why-this-could-re-write-history#.xmG1Ltn4y

    "A recent study has found that the common ancestor of all Y-chromosomes lived approximately 338,000 years ago, vastly surpassing previous estimates (100–140,000 years). Unlike most genetic studies, this one did not begin in a university — though it soon landed in the laboratory of Michael Hammer at the University of Arizona. Instead, it started with the customers of Family Tree DNA. Among all the samples the company tested and classified, one stood out.

    Submitted by the relatives of Albert Perry, an African-American from South Carolina, this Y-chromosome was like none seen before. After careful study, the new variant, now called the A00 haplotype, turned out to be different from the ancestor of all previously known human Y chromosomes at 59 positions in about 240,000 genetic letters of sequence. Knowing that the rate of mutation of Y-chromosomes today is one per two billion letters per year, researchers could deduce when A00 branched from the rest of us. Analysis of over 5600 samples from Africa found this chromosome in just 11 people (0.2%), who made up 6.3% of the people of Mbo ancestry from Cameroon who were tested."

  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,590
    Someone build me a time machine so I can go back a decade before political correctness existed.
    OzmodandrivendawnHermod

  • Solar_ProphetSolar_Prophet Member EpicPosts: 1,946
    edited June 2017
    Relampago said:
    moshra said:
    Relampago said:
    Tiamat64 said:
    Once upon a time, some guy erroneously thought he was in India and thus called all the people he met in the area "Indians".

    His name was Christopher Columbus.

    To this day, people continue to parrot that mistake.
    If the Cleveland Indians got away with using the name to represent their state in sports i think we can live with this too.

    People are too sensitive.
    And that makes it right how?
    Freedom of speech makes it right. You don't have to like it, and you can show that you don't like it by not supporting organizations that use such words.  However, making laws to prohibit the use of such words is wrong.   
    Freedom of speech makes it right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's hate speech right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's zany conspiracy theories right?  Legal != right

    How in the hell is using a non-derogatory term to refer to someone's ancestry 'hate speech'? Hate speech involves intent as much, if nor more so, than the actual term used. 

    "Gotta hand it to the Indians, they successfully fought off Caucasians for four hundred years despite tremendous disadvantages in industrial capacity and technology. No resistance of aboriginal people to foreign colonization and invasion has ever been so hard fought. They certainly weren't helpless victims as the regressive left would have us believe, and quite frankly presenting them as such is incredibly disrespectful to their heritage, and to their ancestor's prowess as warriors. They're the most worthy adversary Europeans have ever had."

    "We should've wiped out the Native Americans when we had the chance. Now they just sit around drinking and making money off their stupid casinos. Lazy bastards."

    So do we see the difference here? I hope so. If hate speech is defined by the terminology used, then there's a shitload of rap music out there which could be labeled as such. 
    Kyleran said:
    Valkyrie said:
    I can't believe they call a native American "Indian". In what dark times does that team live??
    Just so you know, native American isn't a term well liked either.
    Why would it be? If I walked into your home and started calling you native Zhverdnykl would you be happy?
    Hate to break it to you, but just about every colonized region on Earth has at one time had aboriginals who were conquered and / or displaced. Should we give Japan back to the Ainu? How about handing France back to the Celts (Gauls), or should it go to the Normans, or perhaps one of the many other various peoples which were at one time considered aboriginals? How far do you want to take this stupidity?

    People conquer, and get conquered. It happened in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. It also happened in the Americas long before white people showed up. It will continue to happen until the last human takes their last breath. That's reality. Get over it. 

    Edit: God the quote system here sucks now. 

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,691
    Relampago said:
    moshra said:
    Relampago said:
    Tiamat64 said:
    Once upon a time, some guy erroneously thought he was in India and thus called all the people he met in the area "Indians".

    His name was Christopher Columbus.

    To this day, people continue to parrot that mistake.
    If the Cleveland Indians got away with using the name to represent their state in sports i think we can live with this too.

    People are too sensitive.
    And that makes it right how?
    Freedom of speech makes it right. You don't have to like it, and you can show that you don't like it by not supporting organizations that use such words.  However, making laws to prohibit the use of such words is wrong.   
    Freedom of speech makes it right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's hate speech right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's zany conspiracy theories right?  Legal != right

    How in the hell is using a non-derogatory term to refer to someone's ancestry 'hate speech'? Hate speech involves intent as much, if nor more so, than the actual term used. 

    "Gotta hand it to the Indians, they successfully fought off Caucasians for four hundred years despite tremendous disadvantages in industrial capacity and technology. No resistance of aboriginal people to foreign colonization and invasion has ever been so hard fought. They certainly weren't helpless victims as the regressive left would have us believe, and quite frankly presenting them as such is incredibly disrespectful to their heritage, and to their ancestor's prowess as warriors. They're the most worthy adversary Europeans have ever had."

    "We should've wiped out the Native Americans when we had the chance. Now they just sit around drinking and making money off their stupid casinos. Lazy bastards."

    So do we see the difference here? I hope so. If hate speech is defined by the terminology used, then there's a shitload of rap music out there which could be labeled as such. 
    Kyleran said:
    Valkyrie said:
    I can't believe they call a native American "Indian". In what dark times does that team live??
    Just so you know, native American isn't a term well liked either.
    Why would it be? If I walked into your home and started calling you native Zhverdnykl would you be happy?
    Hate to break it to you, but just about every colonized region on Earth has at one time had aboriginals who were conquered and / or displaced. Should we give Japan back to the Ainu? How about handing France back to the Celts (Gauls), or should it go to the Normans, or perhaps one of the many other various peoples which were at one time considered aboriginals? How far do you want to take this stupidity?

    People conquer, and get conquered. It happened in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. It also happened in the Americas long before white people showed up. It will continue to happen until the last human takes their last breath. That's reality. Get over it. 

    Edit: God the quote system here sucks now. 
    What you stated is correct but irrelevant to what I said. You are saying Ainu, or Celts. You are not calling them native Japanese or native French or Russians(!). 
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  • Thoth_MosheThoth_Moshe Member UncommonPosts: 240
    Anyway I'm done

    "History is written by the victors." Winston Churchill




  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Kyleran said:
    Valkyrie said:
    I can't believe they call a native American "Indian". In what dark times does that team live??
    Just so you know, native American isn't a term well liked either.
    Why would it be? If I walked into your home and started calling you native Zhverdnykl would you be happy?


    Why do we need to use these terms? Aren't they all Americ *giggle* ans. ...... Shit! I almost made it through that with a straight face. 

    Let's face the facts. If there's one thing that we should know by now, it's that racism and sexism are alive and well, and even if you're the biggest redneck bigot, even you could be President on day. Most of the time I'd tell my kids that's a lie, since I'm a realist, but I'm actually starting to believe it. 
    ConstantineMerusdrivendawnMrMelGibson

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  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Member EpicPosts: 1,892
    edited June 2017
     Fact of the matter is, until the scourge of SJW whinebabies dies out, anyone stupid enough to try depicting Native Americans in any medium is going to be shit on.
    drivendawnKootur


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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,233
    Khemetians were the true so called Egyptians, Egypt is a European name.  Khemetians had the knowledge


    NO, they did not. It wasn't until the 1400's that navigation, not to mention shipbuilding technology was good enough (at least as far as Europe and the Middle East are concerned) to allow transatlantic navigation.

    If you are arguing they went the other way, you are saying they had technology that allowed them to fight currents and prevailing winds. Yeah, I do not think so.

    Also, there is the why factor. Why would they, the windfall of trading was in the red sea area at the time, which is why Henry the Navigator, Columbus, and Vasco Da Gama, were all searching for a water route to the East.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,144
    Loke666 said:
    Horusra said:
    Loke666 there is some belief that Egypt was trading with Asian cultures that in turn were trading with American continent cultures.
    Sounds logical to me. Still need to be proven though but not that unlikely.

    Pyramids and temples in Grand Canyon that unlike the ones in egypt can't be identified (or even entered) is another matter. I can't prove that they aren't something the Egyptians made but the ball is in the other court here, the vids does not prove anything.

    There are far better evidence to support that Irish monks were in North America 1500 years ago (well, we have St Brennans story and the fact that plants he describes are rather spot on), that is still very weak evidence wise but there are at least some which makes it possible but still in need of more evidence. They did sail to Iceland before the Vikings and possibly Greenland at least.

    Of course, getting an expert Egyptolog to look on the so called "temples" would solve the thing for good but I don't think that is what the people here are after.

    Soon people will claim bigfoot built the Newport tower...

    The Egyptian ships were not good enough to travel to the new world. The Phoenicians possible had ships that could do the journey in ancient times (not the same thing at all as that they did but they at least would be more logical here even if no evidence I know of would suggest they did) but not the Egyptians. To my knowledge were most Egyptian ships made for the Nile even though some sailed the red sea and the northern coast.
    They recently found an Egyptian port on the red sea with some deep sea vessels buried

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,144
    Robokapp said:
    Doesnt it make more sense to enslave the people that were already here instead of getting them from across the Atlantic?


    they were not as ideally suitable for the work that they were used towards - was the main reason.

    Besides, most slaves from Africa were purchased off the market and transported over. The "enslaving" process had already been done by the local more dominant tribes.

    Ships cross the Atlantic anyway to ferry goods back to Europe. It was more rentable to buy slaves in Africa than to enslave in America.

    There's no major difficulty to raise a chicken in your backyard but it's easier to buy a chicken breast cut and ready to be cooked in the store. 

    Many native American males would just die when enslaved.  They would stop eating and waste away.  Native American women were better at being "traded", but still not in great numbers that would be needed for a slave population.  In Africa beaten tribes had been enslaved and used as property for centuries and were more use to the institution of slavery.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,144
    Relampago said:
    moshra said:
    Relampago said:
    Tiamat64 said:
    Once upon a time, some guy erroneously thought he was in India and thus called all the people he met in the area "Indians".

    His name was Christopher Columbus.

    To this day, people continue to parrot that mistake.
    If the Cleveland Indians got away with using the name to represent their state in sports i think we can live with this too.

    People are too sensitive.
    And that makes it right how?
    Freedom of speech makes it right. You don't have to like it, and you can show that you don't like it by not supporting organizations that use such words.  However, making laws to prohibit the use of such words is wrong.   
    Freedom of speech makes it right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's hate speech right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's zany conspiracy theories right?  Legal != right

    How in the hell is using a non-derogatory term to refer to someone's ancestry 'hate speech'? Hate speech involves intent as much, if nor more so, than the actual term used. 

    "Gotta hand it to the Indians, they successfully fought off Caucasians for four hundred years despite tremendous disadvantages in industrial capacity and technology. No resistance of aboriginal people to foreign colonization and invasion has ever been so hard fought. They certainly weren't helpless victims as the regressive left would have us believe, and quite frankly presenting them as such is incredibly disrespectful to their heritage, and to their ancestor's prowess as warriors. They're the most worthy adversary Europeans have ever had."

    "We should've wiped out the Native Americans when we had the chance. Now they just sit around drinking and making money off their stupid casinos. Lazy bastards."

    So do we see the difference here? I hope so. If hate speech is defined by the terminology used, then there's a shitload of rap music out there which could be labeled as such. 
    Kyleran said:
    Valkyrie said:
    I can't believe they call a native American "Indian". In what dark times does that team live??
    Just so you know, native American isn't a term well liked either.
    Why would it be? If I walked into your home and started calling you native Zhverdnykl would you be happy?
    Hate to break it to you, but just about every colonized region on Earth has at one time had aboriginals who were conquered and / or displaced. Should we give Japan back to the Ainu? How about handing France back to the Celts (Gauls), or should it go to the Normans, or perhaps one of the many other various peoples which were at one time considered aboriginals? How far do you want to take this stupidity?

    People conquer, and get conquered. It happened in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. It also happened in the Americas long before white people showed up. It will continue to happen until the last human takes their last breath. That's reality. Get over it. 

    Edit: God the quote system here sucks now. 
    What you stated is correct but irrelevant to what I said. You are saying Ainu, or Celts. You are not calling them native Japanese or native French or Russians(!). 

    You want to start a fight call all Native Americans Cherokee or Mohawks.  Problem between native Japanese and French or Russian is that there was one dominate "tribe".  In North America there were many and not one was dominate.  Celts, Galls, Franks, Slavic Tribes, Ainu, etc. were the dominate powers in their present day countries equivalents and for the most part are what created their present day countries.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,144
    Anyway I'm done

    "History is written by the victors." Winston Churchill





    One of my history professors always said if a culture wants to write the history and how their people are remembered they should fight harder and develop their culture better to with stand outsiders.  Then he would add that when the aliens come they will write the history on us.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,144
    CrazKanuk said:
    Kyleran said:
    Valkyrie said:
    I can't believe they call a native American "Indian". In what dark times does that team live??
    Just so you know, native American isn't a term well liked either.
    Why would it be? If I walked into your home and started calling you native Zhverdnykl would you be happy?


    Why do we need to use these terms? Aren't they all Americ *giggle* ans. ...... Shit! I almost made it through that with a straight face. 

    Let's face the facts. If there's one thing that we should know by now, it's that racism and sexism are alive and well, and even if you're the biggest redneck bigot, even you could be President on day. Most of the time I'd tell my kids that's a lie, since I'm a realist, but I'm actually starting to believe it. 

    less about race these days and more about culture haters.  Which is something you will never get rid.  Just look at Liberals vs Conservatives.  Getting more and aggressive toward each other every day and has little to do with race and more to do with their individual cultural values.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,144
    Hatefull said:
    Khemetians were the true so called Egyptians, Egypt is a European name.  Khemetians had the knowledge


    NO, they did not. It wasn't until the 1400's that navigation, not to mention shipbuilding technology was good enough (at least as far as Europe and the Middle East are concerned) to allow transatlantic navigation.

    If you are arguing they went the other way, you are saying they had technology that allowed them to fight currents and prevailing winds. Yeah, I do not think so.

    Also, there is the why factor. Why would they, the windfall of trading was in the red sea area at the time, which is why Henry the Navigator, Columbus, and Vasco Da Gama, were all searching for a water route to the East.

    Greenland was settled by Vikings in the 10th century.
    MrMelGibson
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Horusra said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    Kyleran said:
    Valkyrie said:
    I can't believe they call a native American "Indian". In what dark times does that team live??
    Just so you know, native American isn't a term well liked either.
    Why would it be? If I walked into your home and started calling you native Zhverdnykl would you be happy?


    Why do we need to use these terms? Aren't they all Americ *giggle* ans. ...... Shit! I almost made it through that with a straight face. 

    Let's face the facts. If there's one thing that we should know by now, it's that racism and sexism are alive and well, and even if you're the biggest redneck bigot, even you could be President on day. Most of the time I'd tell my kids that's a lie, since I'm a realist, but I'm actually starting to believe it. 

    less about race these days and more about culture haters.  Which is something you will never get rid.  Just look at Liberals vs Conservatives.  Getting more and aggressive toward each other every day and has little to do with race and more to do with their individual cultural values.

    True, in theory, there might be some locker room conversation that gets out to the public. One person would, probably, be fired over it, and the other would go on to be President. In theory...

    Only in theoretical America. 
    MrMelGibson

    Crazkanuk

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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,691
    Horusra said:
    Relampago said:
    moshra said:
    Relampago said:
    Tiamat64 said:
    Once upon a time, some guy erroneously thought he was in India and thus called all the people he met in the area "Indians".

    His name was Christopher Columbus.

    To this day, people continue to parrot that mistake.
    If the Cleveland Indians got away with using the name to represent their state in sports i think we can live with this too.

    People are too sensitive.
    And that makes it right how?
    Freedom of speech makes it right. You don't have to like it, and you can show that you don't like it by not supporting organizations that use such words.  However, making laws to prohibit the use of such words is wrong.   
    Freedom of speech makes it right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's hate speech right?  Freedom of speech makes someone's zany conspiracy theories right?  Legal != right

    How in the hell is using a non-derogatory term to refer to someone's ancestry 'hate speech'? Hate speech involves intent as much, if nor more so, than the actual term used. 

    "Gotta hand it to the Indians, they successfully fought off Caucasians for four hundred years despite tremendous disadvantages in industrial capacity and technology. No resistance of aboriginal people to foreign colonization and invasion has ever been so hard fought. They certainly weren't helpless victims as the regressive left would have us believe, and quite frankly presenting them as such is incredibly disrespectful to their heritage, and to their ancestor's prowess as warriors. They're the most worthy adversary Europeans have ever had."

    "We should've wiped out the Native Americans when we had the chance. Now they just sit around drinking and making money off their stupid casinos. Lazy bastards."

    So do we see the difference here? I hope so. If hate speech is defined by the terminology used, then there's a shitload of rap music out there which could be labeled as such. 
    Kyleran said:
    Valkyrie said:
    I can't believe they call a native American "Indian". In what dark times does that team live??
    Just so you know, native American isn't a term well liked either.
    Why would it be? If I walked into your home and started calling you native Zhverdnykl would you be happy?
    Hate to break it to you, but just about every colonized region on Earth has at one time had aboriginals who were conquered and / or displaced. Should we give Japan back to the Ainu? How about handing France back to the Celts (Gauls), or should it go to the Normans, or perhaps one of the many other various peoples which were at one time considered aboriginals? How far do you want to take this stupidity?

    People conquer, and get conquered. It happened in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. It also happened in the Americas long before white people showed up. It will continue to happen until the last human takes their last breath. That's reality. Get over it. 

    Edit: God the quote system here sucks now. 
    What you stated is correct but irrelevant to what I said. You are saying Ainu, or Celts. You are not calling them native Japanese or native French or Russians(!). 

    You want to start a fight call all Native Americans Cherokee or Mohawks.  Problem between native Japanese and French or Russian is that there was one dominate "tribe".  In North America there were many and not one was dominate.  Celts, Galls, Franks, Slavic Tribes, Ainu, etc. were the dominate powers in their present day countries equivalents and for the most part are what created their present day countries.
    Why people keep saying something I never did then answer it?
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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,021
    Gotta understand that this man was everywhere in the world and that this your daddy, although many have Neanderthal DNA in them (Probably from Neanderthals raping the homo-sapien)

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old/
    https://mic.com/articles/29612/descendant-of-adam-found-in-south-carolina-why-this-could-re-write-history#.xmG1Ltn4y

    "A recent study has found that the common ancestor of all Y-chromosomes lived approximately 338,000 years ago, vastly surpassing previous estimates (100–140,000 years). Unlike most genetic studies, this one did not begin in a university — though it soon landed in the laboratory of Michael Hammer at the University of Arizona. Instead, it started with the customers of Family Tree DNA. Among all the samples the company tested and classified, one stood out.

    Submitted by the relatives of Albert Perry, an African-American from South Carolina, this Y-chromosome was like none seen before. After careful study, the new variant, now called the A00 haplotype, turned out to be different from the ancestor of all previously known human Y chromosomes at 59 positions in about 240,000 genetic letters of sequence. Knowing that the rate of mutation of Y-chromosomes today is one per two billion letters per year, researchers could deduce when A00 branched from the rest of us. Analysis of over 5600 samples from Africa found this chromosome in just 11 people (0.2%), who made up 6.3% of the people of Mbo ancestry from Cameroon who were tested."

    Actually, the homosapians were raping the neanderthals to be more accurate.   But I get what you're saying ;-)
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