I am not a special snowflake who when I became introduced to the games I am talking about the effect was radical down to my DNA. I am sure many other gamers would have the same experience.
that is why
How would you possibly know that? You ran a survey? Talking to 10 friends does not count as statistical evidence.
how would I possibly know that I am not a special snowflake?
because its statistically not possible and that statistical impossibility becomes even more so when the emotional response is significantly different between two subjects rather than subtle.
I know a lot of people here believe in the special snowflake model but they need to learn more about statistics
also, 1. I never stated that it was a fact. thus when moving forward on a conversation one has to pick the more statistically plausible option which I feel I have done.
No i mean how is it possible that you know "many other gamers would have the same experience".
I assume MANY here really means many ... not like the 20 or even the 100 people that you know. So again, did you run a survey on gamer experiences?
I already explain that answer.
Because I know I am not a special snowflake. I know its statistically not plausible for it to not be true. you however by contradiction seem to believe that its statistically likely that it IS true. I feel confident that you are wrong
so I think the answer to your question remains the same.
Statistics
Wait a minute, statistically speaking someone, somewhere has to be the "special snowflake."
If it's neither one of you two then clearly it must be....me!
no which is the whole point, 'statistically speaking' its not possible for a person to be a special snowflake
Statistically speaking we are not all exactly the same so we are all special snowflakes
statistically speaking your assertion is actually not accurate according to my understanding on science and biology
but I will say you are pushing extra hard to promote the theory of special snowflake even to the point of maybe suggesting its fairly common
No two DNA's are exactly the same. At least that's the reasoning and science behind evolution.
Also I wasn't pushing anything, when I use a wink emoji, you can use it as a signal that I'm being lighthearted or jesting.
I can use all the smiles and lightheartedness I can these days. I'm watching my father wither away in front of me, he's been stage four for a couple months. Down to the last few weeks now
Circle of life type things.
So Sorry mate =/
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It's something we all have, or will experience. I know so many people who have or are being taken by cancer.
I am not a special snowflake who when I became introduced to the games I am talking about the effect was radical down to my DNA. I am sure many other gamers would have the same experience.
that is why
How would you possibly know that? You ran a survey? Talking to 10 friends does not count as statistical evidence.
how would I possibly know that I am not a special snowflake?
because its statistically not possible and that statistical impossibility becomes even more so when the emotional response is significantly different between two subjects rather than subtle.
I know a lot of people here believe in the special snowflake model but they need to learn more about statistics
also, 1. I never stated that it was a fact. thus when moving forward on a conversation one has to pick the more statistically plausible option which I feel I have done.
No i mean how is it possible that you know "many other gamers would have the same experience".
I assume MANY here really means many ... not like the 20 or even the 100 people that you know. So again, did you run a survey on gamer experiences?
I already explain that answer.
Because I know I am not a special snowflake. I know its statistically not plausible for it to not be true. you however by contradiction seem to believe that its statistically likely that it IS true. I feel confident that you are wrong
so I think the answer to your question remains the same.
Statistics
Wait a minute, statistically speaking someone, somewhere has to be the "special snowflake."
If it's neither one of you two then clearly it must be....me!
no which is the whole point, 'statistically speaking' its not possible for a person to be a special snowflake
Statistically speaking we are not all exactly the same so we are all special snowflakes
statistically speaking your assertion is actually not accurate according to my understanding on science and biology
but I will say you are pushing extra hard to promote the theory of special snowflake even to the point of maybe suggesting its fairly common
No two DNA's are exactly the same. At least that's the reasoning and science behind evolution.
Also I wasn't pushing anything, when I use a wink emoji, you can use it as a signal that I'm being lighthearted or jesting.
I can use all the smiles and lightheartedness I can these days. I'm watching my father wither away in front of me, he's been stage four for a couple months. Down to the last few weeks now
Circle of life type things.
ok first off what exactly are you trying to suggest in the terms of this conversation that is not ridiculous?
That you support Special Snowflakism? That because there is microscopic chance that I am the only person on the planet that has had the same experience multiple times with multiple games means that surely it did happen and that thusly it means by default that everyone else knows the games I am talking about and had experienced them as found them to be unlike me unpleasant?
Or are you just playing a good old game of logic disassembling? which can be done on ANYTHING
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I am not a special snowflake who when I became introduced to the games I am talking about the effect was radical down to my DNA. I am sure many other gamers would have the same experience.
that is why
How would you possibly know that? You ran a survey? Talking to 10 friends does not count as statistical evidence.
how would I possibly know that I am not a special snowflake?
because its statistically not possible and that statistical impossibility becomes even more so when the emotional response is significantly different between two subjects rather than subtle.
I know a lot of people here believe in the special snowflake model but they need to learn more about statistics
also, 1. I never stated that it was a fact. thus when moving forward on a conversation one has to pick the more statistically plausible option which I feel I have done.
No i mean how is it possible that you know "many other gamers would have the same experience".
I assume MANY here really means many ... not like the 20 or even the 100 people that you know. So again, did you run a survey on gamer experiences?
I already explain that answer.
Because I know I am not a special snowflake. I know its statistically not plausible for it to not be true. you however by contradiction seem to believe that its statistically likely that it IS true. I feel confident that you are wrong
so I think the answer to your question remains the same.
Statistics
Wait a minute, statistically speaking someone, somewhere has to be the "special snowflake."
If it's neither one of you two then clearly it must be....me!
no which is the whole point, 'statistically speaking' its not possible for a person to be a special snowflake
Statistically speaking we are not all exactly the same so we are all special snowflakes
statistically speaking your assertion is actually not accurate according to my understanding on science and biology
but I will say you are pushing extra hard to promote the theory of special snowflake even to the point of maybe suggesting its fairly common
No two DNA's are exactly the same. At least that's the reasoning and science behind evolution.
Also I wasn't pushing anything, when I use a wink emoji, you can use it as a signal that I'm being lighthearted or jesting.
I can use all the smiles and lightheartedness I can these days. I'm watching my father wither away in front of me, he's been stage four for a couple months. Down to the last few weeks now
Circle of life type things.
ok first off what exactly are you trying to suggest in the terms of this conversation that is not ridiculous?
That you support Special Snowflakism? That because there is microscopic chance that I am the only person on the planet that has had the same experience multiple times with multiple games means that surely it did happen and that thusly it means by default that everyone else knows the games I am talking about and had experienced them as found them to be unlike me unpleasant?
Or are you just playing a good old game of logic disassembling? which can be done on ANYTHING
Try being someone who misses the old group heavy MMOs, those have pretty much been non existent since WoW took off and we are just now getting something like Pantheon coming around to hopefully fill that void, but we still have at least a year to wait.
It sucks when it happens but i'm sure their are plenty of people hoping their type of MMO will pop up but have been left out in the cold by the constant flood of trend following MMOs and cheap Korean games.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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The thing is the more subscription cost the less player would be. So in the end the game company won't necessary make more money.
There's a reason why almost all the game on the market are f2p. So people that are willing to pay the high money can do so.
F2P players who spend nothing on the game are simply there to provide content to people who do pay.
Again, if you are happy with current games and monetization that's great. I don't want to stop F2P games. I'd simply like a choice for a premium game at a premium price.
Me too but in the end no company believe it'll work. The reality is why stop there charge 100$ per month or 500$ per month.
Many people are already paying that in f2p games. So why charge 25-50 when they can charge people more in f2p games.
Because.. as I (and others above) have stated a few times... I think there is a market of people that will pay $25 or even $49 a month for a premium game without the F2P/cash shop/pay for advantage stuff. I'd happily pay $49 a month for a premium game but you know how much I have spent on cash shop/F2P games? ZERO. Not a cent. Do i think I'm in the majority? No, but I do believe there are more of us than you may think. So a developer can aim to be number 1298 F2P game, or aim to stand out from the competition by delivering something different.
Again though, it's not just paying a sub that magically makes the game better. I want a premium product to match that. Maybe much more active GMs, some live events... something that makes it a premium product.
Right but you are assuming the game will be better if companies charge more. But the more companies charge, the less players there will be. So they won't necessary money.
So what justification is that the game should be better just because they charge 25 or 50$.
The worst part about such, what I'd call fantasies. Is that ESO, SWTOR, and so many others started off as P2P with no cash shop, in ESO's case it had a lot of as well as diverse range in terms of content. Still many decried it as not enough to justify the monthly price tag. As it's not a matter of what any individual game offers, as much as it's about what the entire market does. When the going price for lot's of content, is Zero.... results like ESO's are what you get. B2P or F2P.
You need a shelf life like WOW's to get most to pay a sub in this day and age (or a powerful IP guiding it's fandom), and no new game is going to match that breadth of content.
What I would call a fantasy is the belief that you can get a premium product for nothing. You get what you pay for. I stopped playing ESO because I thought the RvRvR portion of the game was horrendous, not because I thought $15 was too much.
If you like whats out there.. that's fantastic! Enjoy! There will likely always be F2P games.
Some of us would pay a premium for a premium game. ESO was not a premium game at all. It was the same as every other game.
I get what you're trying to say here man. I definitely do. I think the point he is making that you are missing is. People bitch and moan about chump change like $15 a month. Other than WoW and FF14, what other P2P mmo is still going? It's not really the quality of the mmos imo. It's the fact that you have a lot of options, and when a lot of people see they can play mmos for basically free. It's really going to be hard to convince them to pay even more than $15.
If there was a really amazing, next generation mmo. Something I have never seen. I would go as far as maybe $20-$25. But I know I'm in the minority here.
EVE is still P2P if you actually want to play the full game. They can do this by offering its players an experience they can't get elsewhere.
In some ways WOW and FFXIV are doing much the same, providing some unique features which appeals to their much larger niches.
ESOs initial failure was in not providing a unique Elder scrolls experience and instead creating standard themepark #135 which was not worth a sub fee for many.
The secret is to offer something not found elsewhere and the niche will pay well for it.
I completely forgot about EVE. My mistake. You make good points and I totally agree with you. The problem is that a good portion of the population is borderline mentally challenged so reason and logic like yours will just be ignored.
Try being someone who misses the old group heavy MMOs, those have pretty much been non existent since WoW took off and we are just now getting something like Pantheon coming around to hopefully fill that void, but we still have at least a year to wait.
It sucks when it happens but i'm sure their are plenty of people hoping their type of MMO will pop up but have been left out in the cold by the constant flood of trend following MMOs and cheap Korean games.
Hell forget group heavy try being someone who doesn't want to play wallet warrior cash shop games.
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One MMO (WoW) had a shot to go the more than $15 a month route and even they wouldnt go there...They had the player base and the quality of game to attempt it and they passed.... Obviously they have done their research and the risk was too great to go more expensive.... I just dont see any possible video game that can command that kind of money, especially a MMO.
Most video games "command that"... Folks pay $60 for a console game that they play for a few weeks...
Games like The Order sold millions of copies.. and that game had a documented 5 hour walkthough of the whole game...
Many MMO players will do that in one sitting...
Youre jumping back and forth....Sure people pay $50 one time to buy a video game...You're talking about paying that every single month to have the right to play a MMO, 2 totally different things.
One MMO (WoW) had a shot to go the more than $15 a month route and even they wouldnt go there...They had the player base and the quality of game to attempt it and they passed.... Obviously they have done their research and the risk was too great to go more expensive.... I just dont see any possible video game that can command that kind of money, especially a MMO.
Most video games "command that"... Folks pay $60 for a console game that they play for a few weeks...
Games like The Order sold millions of copies.. and that game had a documented 5 hour walkthough of the whole game...
Many MMO players will do that in one sitting...
Youre jumping back and forth....Sure people pay $50 one time to buy a video game...You're talking about paying that every single month to have the right to play a MMO, 2 totally different things.
Not at all.
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I was actually thinking about shoving a fork in the side of my head to ease the pain from reading @SEANMCAD 's responses in this thread.
oh I like these replies
thank you
so with the OP are we back to complaining about the state of games of which I appear to be the only person (in this forum...calm down) who doesnt not agree with that assestment and as a result is the cause of everyone victimhood and pain
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
What I would call a fantasy is the belief that you can get a premium product for nothing. You get what you pay for. I stopped playing ESO because I thought the RvRvR portion of the game was horrendous, not because I thought $15 was too much.
If you like whats out there.. that's fantastic! Enjoy! There will likely always be F2P games.
Some of us would pay a premium for a premium game. ESO was not a premium game at all. It was the same as every other game.
What is a premium game in this sense? IF you can't describe what's worth 50 to you, how do you expect a dev to? And this has nothing to do with what I like or don't like....
This is about marketability. SO what sets a game apart to be worth more than double the current asking price of $15 a month ($50)? Obviously no company has figured this out yet as they have a hard time meeting what you view as worth $15..... I'm pretty sure ESO's devs thought they made a premium product, as have every single dev that came before. Obviously they didn't
Secondly you're only one person, I'm only one person, if neither of us like F2P titles, that means jack squat in the grand scheme...
I don't think it would take too much to make a "premium" MMO worth subscribing to. Many of the releases of the last 5 years come relatively close, but all tend to fail in some fundamental capacity.
ESO This game had a ton of content, loads of story and character development, great crafting / economy and a good mix of pvp and pve. However, the combat is really shallow so engagement is low (this is the main reason I and my friends didn't stick with it), the expectations of the IP (open world sandbox) didn't match the actual game (standard themepark), the megaserver technology, at least initially, made grouping up a pain in the ass. Then there was a pointless CP grind at endgame.
If Zenimax had managed to keep the Elder Scrolls feeling to the game from launch, given it some deeper combat mechanics etc then I think it would have been a lot more successful. They've proven that they can continue to develop new content for the game which, imo, is a key factor in being able to charge a subscription. They just made some questionable decisions during development.
My initial thoughts on a ticklist for a premium MMO would be:
Great IP - I have to want to live in this world
6 months worth of themepark content - average player should take 6 months to work through all quests and complete all dungeons.
Some sandbox features - even if it's just crafting and pvp, there needs to be something to do once you've completed the themepark
Depth - you don't want your players getting bored so there needs to be suitable depth, both in terms of gameplay and the meta game.
Socialising - the developers need to have actually put decent thought into how to promote a great community. Guilds, hobbies, group content, alliances, interdependancy .
Regular content updates - ultimately, this is where our money is going, so I would say a significant update every 2 months is a good schedule to aim for. A new raid, new battlegrounds, new zones, new classes etc.
A lot of MMOs come close. Depth is what I usually find lacking, for example, SW:TOR was so god damn easy to play it was just really boring. No challenge in that game at all, nearly everything was a gear check.
Socialising is also an issue, too many MMO devs seem to forget the massively-multiplayer part, so you have a very solo orientated experience and don't form the social bonds required to keep you in game.
Then there is the content issue. Too many games, you can either blast through the content in weeks, or the content is just a pointlessly long grind. Due to retention issues, devs then don't have the money to reliably develop new content.
So, when I played SW:TOR at launch for example, I hit the cap in a couple of weeks, then completed all raids within another couple of weeks. I essentially had 1 months worth of content, then from then on I was just repeating the same small amount of content (pvp and raids) for months on end.
The problem with the idea of a "premium" product like this is, it's an expectation of meeting perfection more or less, which is a huge gamble for such games. Almost an impossibility if it isn't one.
You're basically saying the problem with every game is there's always a downside to it. There's always something that's sacrificed to meet some other criteria. SO the premium game needs to adhere to every criteria with perfection. Otherwise it's not only not worth 50, it's not worth 15.
Can you not see the glaring problem there? We're basically saying after losing 100's of millions by not reaching perfection for us, we expect you to now potentially lose even more in another attempt. Yet ever we wonder why this genre has been drying up :P....
I said nothing in my post about achieving perfection, I personally believe it is impossible to achieve perfection in anything (though, I still believe it is worth chasing that dream).
If you look at what I actually described in terms of features for a premium MMO, nothing comes close to perfection. However, every thing I listed is better than average, which makes sense: if you want to charge more money for your product than competitors, then your product needs to be better than your competitors.
With the ESO example, I even stated that the game came close to being better than average, as have a lot of other MMOs, but for some reason they screwed up some key aspects that brought the game down to an average level. By being average, rather than above average, they were unable to charge a higher price (sub) and thus had to change business model to match their competitors.
Downsides will always happen due to limited resources. The key is to ensure that your game overall is better than competitors. That is how you justify premium prices. If you have one great feature balanced out with one crap feature, the game remains average overall.
I was actually thinking about shoving a fork in the side of my head to ease the pain from reading @SEANMCAD 's responses in this thread.
oh I like these replies
thank you
so with the OP are we back to complaining about the state of games of which I appear to be the only person (in this forum...calm down) who doesnt not agree with that assestment and as a result is the cause of everyone victimhood and pain
I didn't say I was in pain. I said shoving a fork in my head would be less painful than trying decipher your endless glossolalia. Guess I wasn't clear about that or, as usual, you read into people's words only what you want to hear.
I was actually thinking about shoving a fork in the side of my head to ease the pain from reading @SEANMCAD 's responses in this thread.
oh I like these replies
thank you
so with the OP are we back to complaining about the state of games of which I appear to be the only person (in this forum...calm down) who doesnt not agree with that assestment and as a result is the cause of everyone victimhood and pain
I didn't say I was in pain. I said shoving a fork in my head would be less painful than trying decipher your endless glossolalia. Guess I wasn't clear about that or, as usual, you read into people's words only what you want to hear.
I didnt say you were either, why would you even think that?
Look getting back to my original point a LOOONG time ago, I am suggesting to folks that this era of gaming is in fact the best in the history of gaming BUT they have to be willing to look outside the box they are used to. and as far as being a special snowflake, sales of Rust + Ark is MORE THAN ALL the sales from ALL platforms of Witcher 3 so I think I am not alone that there is something significantly good going on the market right now but some do fight extra hard in being the victim.
I mean we can have that discussion if you are done with the random insults which I would assumne you are
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I was actually thinking about shoving a fork in the side of my head to ease the pain from reading @SEANMCAD 's responses in this thread.
oh I like these replies
thank you
so with the OP are we back to complaining about the state of games of which I appear to be the only person (in this forum...calm down) who doesnt not agree with that assestment and as a result is the cause of everyone victimhood and pain
I didn't say I was in pain. I said shoving a fork in my head would be less painful than trying decipher your endless glossolalia. Guess I wasn't clear about that or, as usual, you read into people's words only what you want to hear.
I didnt say you were either, why would you even think that?
Look getting back to my original point a LOOONG time ago, I am suggesting to folks that this era of gaming is in fact the best in the history of gaming BUT they have to be willing to look outside the box they are used to. and as far as being a special snowflake, sales of Rust + Ark is MORE THAN ALL the sales from ALL platforms of Witcher 3 so I think I am not alone that there is something significantly good going on the market right now but some do fight extra hard in being the victim.
I mean we can have that discussion if you are done with the random insults which I would assumne you are
Jesus, you just keep reiterating the same old bullshit over and over. I think we already established that sales don't equal players, which you keep conveniently forgetting.
Show me some data that supports an active Rust + Ark playerbase larger than the Witcher 3 and then we'll talk. Otherwise, it's just another blithering statement coming from your soapbox.
For the record, I bought both Rust and Ark. If it wasn't too late to get a refund on them I would. Both are absolute shit, IMO.
I was actually thinking about shoving a fork in the side of my head to ease the pain from reading @SEANMCAD 's responses in this thread.
oh I like these replies
thank you
so with the OP are we back to complaining about the state of games of which I appear to be the only person (in this forum...calm down) who doesnt not agree with that assestment and as a result is the cause of everyone victimhood and pain
I didn't say I was in pain. I said shoving a fork in my head would be less painful than trying decipher your endless glossolalia. Guess I wasn't clear about that or, as usual, you read into people's words only what you want to hear.
I didnt say you were either, why would you even think that?
Look getting back to my original point a LOOONG time ago, I am suggesting to folks that this era of gaming is in fact the best in the history of gaming BUT they have to be willing to look outside the box they are used to. and as far as being a special snowflake, sales of Rust + Ark is MORE THAN ALL the sales from ALL platforms of Witcher 3 so I think I am not alone that there is something significantly good going on the market right now but some do fight extra hard in being the victim.
I mean we can have that discussion if you are done with the random insults which I would assumne you are
Jesus, you just keep reiterating the same old bullshit over and over. I think we already established that sales don't equal players, which you keep conveniently forgetting.
Show me some data that supports an active Rust + Ark playerbase larger than the Witcher 3 and then we'll talk. Otherwise, it's just another blithering statement coming from your soapbox.
For the record, I bought both Rust and Ark. If it wasn't too late to get a refund on them I would. Both are absolute shit, IMO.
I dont recall us actually having that conversation that sales are not relevant thing to point at and only player base is. Having data on both would undoubtly be the best, would you like me to see what I can find? because I know I can find said data on Rust and Ark and even Witcher 3 but not outside of steam for Witcher 3.
HAVING SAID THAT!, having two indie early access titles combined selling more than the jewel of AAA gaming industry on all platforms is significant regardless of player base.
However, I do understand the motivation of many to insit that the gaming industry is in a horrible condition depsite my view otherwise, which some might view as fighting extra hard to play the vicitm, rather than looking into areas that might improve their experience
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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It's something we all have, or will experience. I know so many people who have or are being taken by cancer.
Quite scary actually.
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That you support Special Snowflakism? That because there is microscopic chance that I am the only person on the planet that has had the same experience multiple times with multiple games means that surely it did happen and that thusly it means by default that everyone else knows the games I am talking about and had experienced them as found them to be unlike me unpleasant?
Or are you just playing a good old game of logic disassembling? which can be done on ANYTHING
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Lighten up
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@postlarval has you pegged pretty well
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It sucks when it happens but i'm sure their are plenty of people hoping their type of MMO will pop up but have been left out in the cold by the constant flood of trend following MMOs and cheap Korean games.
This is one of those times.
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Have not yet though. Maybe there is hope?
Nah there is really none for me or the human race.
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so with the OP are we back to complaining about the state of games of which I appear to be the only person (in this forum...calm down) who doesnt not agree with that assestment and as a result is the cause of everyone victimhood and pain
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
If you look at what I actually described in terms of features for a premium MMO, nothing comes close to perfection. However, every thing I listed is better than average, which makes sense: if you want to charge more money for your product than competitors, then your product needs to be better than your competitors.
With the ESO example, I even stated that the game came close to being better than average, as have a lot of other MMOs, but for some reason they screwed up some key aspects that brought the game down to an average level. By being average, rather than above average, they were unable to charge a higher price (sub) and thus had to change business model to match their competitors.
Downsides will always happen due to limited resources. The key is to ensure that your game overall is better than competitors. That is how you justify premium prices. If you have one great feature balanced out with one crap feature, the game remains average overall.
~~ postlarval ~~
Look getting back to my original point a LOOONG time ago, I am suggesting to folks that this era of gaming is in fact the best in the history of gaming BUT they have to be willing to look outside the box they are used to.
and as far as being a special snowflake, sales of Rust + Ark is MORE THAN ALL the sales from ALL platforms of Witcher 3 so I think I am not alone that there is something significantly good going on the market right now but some do fight extra hard in being the victim.
I mean we can have that discussion if you are done with the random insults which I would assumne you are
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Show me some data that supports an active Rust + Ark playerbase larger than the Witcher 3 and then we'll talk. Otherwise, it's just another blithering statement coming from your soapbox.
For the record, I bought both Rust and Ark. If it wasn't too late to get a refund on them I would. Both are absolute shit, IMO.
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HAVING SAID THAT!, having two indie early access titles combined selling more than the jewel of AAA gaming industry on all platforms is significant regardless of player base.
However, I do understand the motivation of many to insit that the gaming industry is in a horrible condition depsite my view otherwise, which some might view as fighting extra hard to play the vicitm, rather than looking into areas that might improve their experience
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