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Intel's New i9 Skylake Processor Lineup and Specs Leak
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Remember when they used to name their chips based on their Performance Rating, rather than Mhz, and those PR's suspiciously lined up with Intel's clockspeeds. Or when they just started calling their chips XP, because, Windows XP. Or when they decided to renumber their GPUs, but use the same naming convention, so no one knew what was what in the new generation. And just recently, adopts a similar prefix to nVidia for their GPUs (from HD to RX, versus nVidia's GTX).
Although, I've also heard that Kaby Lake X isn't really "X", it's more like a Devil's Canyon update in that it will be same chipset as current KL (and just offer minor updates and frequency bump), and not be chips on the new enthusiast X299 chipset.
And I've heard that they are, and they are getting the frequency bump by disabling the near-useless IGP.
So who knows for certain at this point.
Not sure how much I believe out of here, but the interesting bits I found:
X299 is currently reported as single-DIMM memory channel - I almost certainly think this is an error, and it will probably retain quad-channel in parity with X99
Z370 chipset for Coffee Lake is supposedly still socket 1150, but is not backwards compatible. CL/Z370 chipsets will be billed as "1150 v2".
Some Skylake X won't support Turbo Boost 3.0 (essentially an additional layer of auto-overclocking Intel introduced with Skylake/Broadwell). This is looking more like a deliberate way to differentiate the low end HEPT X lineup from the high end, rather than any sort of technical or design limitation .
Coffee Lake lineup - This is the most interesting thing I think. Standard consumer Core i7 being bumped to 6C/12T, i5 to 4C/8T, and i3 4C/4T (esentially everything moves up a notch to where the previous level was).
https://videocardz.com/69900/exclusive-intel-to-launch-18-core-core-i9-7980xe-cpu
This one I say is plausible, but improbable, at least in the enthusiast/prosumer space.
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https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Computer-CPU-2-1-BX80660E52695V4/dp/B01CNKF2FW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496106719&sr=8-1&keywords=Intel+Xeon+E5-2695+v4
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Computer-CPU-2-3-BX80660E52697V4/dp/B01CNKF3A6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496106537&sr=8-1&keywords=Intel+Xeon+E5-2697+v4
The former has a stock clock of 2.1 GHz and a max turbo of 3.3 GHz. The latter has a stock clock of 2.3 GHz and a max turbo of 3.6 GHz. And that's with a TDP of 120 W and 145 W, respectively. And clock speeds will need to be rather more aggressive than that, at least with few cores active, to make sense for a consumer part.
I have no doubt that Intel could clock a few cores of one of those CPUs at 4 GHz with most of the other cores power-gated off if so inclined. 4.5 GHz is a lot, but probably possible for a single core with aggressive power gating and binning, though I'm not sure how long that would be stable.
But just because Intel could doesn't mean that they will, and hence your skepticism. If they do make an 18-core desktop CPU with aggressive clocks, they're not going to price it any cheaper than the Xeons. With the binning they'd have to do to get clocks up to something acceptable for consumer use, they might well charge more than for a lower clocked and lower power but otherwise equivalent Xeon.
How much of a market is there for a $3000 desktop CPU? Probably not much, but with prices high enough, it doesn't need a huge market to make sense to offer it. If you sell 10,000 chips, that's $30 million from a little bit of binning of a die you were going to build anyway.
I just got an order for 12 1800x workstations from a customer. The business people know.
https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/05/30/intel_core_i97900_series_cpu_count_prices
Interesting that we have prices for the high core count chips, but not clock speeds as of yet. Seems like Intel wanted to frame the conversation, rather than letting AMD define the price structure with Threadripper.
A lot of X299 motherboards were announced today as well.
Interesting that they're now charging $1000 if you want two PCI Express x16 connections at once. Before, you could have that for $600. I'll be surprised if AMD doesn't offer that on whatever the cheapest Threadripper CPU is.
Apparently "Turbo Boost 3.0" is intra-chip binning, where Intel picks out the two best cores on the CPU and promises that those can run at the Turbo 3.0 speeds if no other cores are active. No other cores on the die are allowed to go above the Turbo 2.0 speeds apart from overclocking by the end user. That's one way to make a low-clocked CPU with many cores act like a high-clocked CPU with few cores when the workload calls for it.
That's also quite a price cut for a given number of cores as compared to Broadwell-E/EP. No way that happens if not for robust competition from AMD.
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Hopefully AMD can be competitive because on the horizon - ""8th Gen Intel® Core™ Processor: We will have more to say about the 8th Gen Intel Core processor in the future but it’s exciting to share that in the latest testing, we’re seeing a performance improvement of more than 30 percent over the 7th Gen Intel® Core™ processor" - https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-core-8th-gen-30-percent-performance-boost/
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_skylake-x_and_kaby_lake-x_cpus_will_not_be_soldered/1
https://www.amd.com/en/events/computex-2017
Wonder how much those X399 boards will be
And looks like Rx Vega will be a disaster because of the Prey demo. 2 cards to run it in 4k with framecounter on the screen.
We won't know how Vega holds up until it is released. Anything we see outside of release testing is just speculation that could be caused from a few things.
More cores are beneficial and will only be more so in the future.
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https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/05/30/amd_launches_for_threadripper_radeon_rx_vega
Thank you. I always tell people to look at how many processes are running. That is reason enough. Plus if you are doing development and have several tools open and a VM or two, you need it and lots of memory.
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