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Why do people cheat in FPS games? Auto-aim, etc

CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,768
edited May 2017 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
I never understood cheating in competition. I personally never cheat in any thing. 

For example, in Quake 3, I played and never used hacks or aim bots or crap
In Diablo 2 hardcore, I dueled and pk'd without any hacks. No duped items, no bugged items, no auto-exit, nothing. I was 100% legit. 

I played Starcraft: I did 1 on 1 duels, I never had map hacks or anything. 

For me the goal of competition is to win but if you don't win legitimately, it is completely and utterly meaningless to me. It just doesn't make sense. The goal of competition is to compete and win, but if you cheat how do you derive pleasure from it?

I remember in diablo 2, at times, i'd buy runes off amazon to get certain gear cuz i never had the time to farm it all myself. But it was available to people. I guess people may say I was cheating because I was using money, but I was trading money to get an item available and not a bugged or duped item. I'd buy stuff from cash shops at times, but i'd never cheat in straight competition. Also, in PvE conditions, I don't really care about what goes on, it is like playing a single player game at that point. 

I can understand people cheating in the olympics and in sports because it comes with money, but if you cheat in a mindless game of quake 3 or whatever, wtf is the point?

Anyway, what's the point of autoaim and hacking and crap in FPS's or even cheating at Scrabble or monopoly. Thanks. 

Sincerely, 

Cryomatrix

p.s. I know people cheat to win, but how do they derive pleasure from it when they cheated. I don't get it because I could never derive pleasure from winning if I cheat. It just doesn't make sense to me. I mean oh yay I beat so-and-so . . . but you cheated . . . so does it even matter? It is like Michael Jordan deriving pleasure from beating me 1 on 1 in basketball. I feel it is the same way with cheating. 
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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    I assume you are looking for an explanation other than "to win"?
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  • TyranusPrimeTyranusPrime Member UncommonPosts: 306
    edited May 2017
    With money removed from the equation, either of these work as a root cause..

    1) Some people's egos cannot handle any form of losing..
    2) An inherent need to win at any cost to prove to themselves and others of their superiority.. (which hilariously enough doesn't exist since they cheated to win)..

    Edit: 3) Recognizing their own deficiencies (slow reflexes, low hand-eye coordination), they compensate by cheating to stay in the running and compete..
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  • HakulaniHakulani Member UncommonPosts: 47
    With money removed from the equation, either of these work as a root cause..

    1) Some people's egos cannot handle any form of losing..
    2) An inherent need to win at any cost to prove to themselves and others of their superiority.. (which hilariously enough doesn't exist since they cheated to win)..

    Edit: 3) Recognizing their own deficiencies (slow reflexes, low hand-eye coordination), they compensate by cheating to stay in the running and compete..
    Sounds like people on WoT, telling you to uninstall since you didn't meet there requirements.
  • RexKushmanRexKushman Member RarePosts: 547
    Winning has nothing to do with why most cheaters cheat. It's simply fun for them to do it.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,646
    There's not a singular reason - it usually is one of the following

    - Competitive nature takes over and players go to the extreme - must win by any means

    - Some people cheat as a way of hacking exploiting the client  - to some fun is finding holes in code

    - Some do it for profit - as in selling hacks/cheats on shady sites

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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    edited May 2017
    From my experience of playing CS:GO i would have to go with that the reason people use autoaim hacks etc. is because they lack the skill to compete with other players using their own abilities, its a fairly simple reason really, its all about inadequacies :p

    Just thought i'd add, people who use those hacks are cheating themselves just as much, because by using them, they will never improve their own skills, if anything they probably get worse.
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,088
    Because they have no life, and if it were my way I would personally take every cheating scumbag, knock em over the head put them on an island, and turn it into a Real Life hunger games that they can't cheat in...

    Cheaters should get more than a ban from a game when they are using 3rd party hacks.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Renoaku said:
    Because they have no life, and if it were my way I would personally take every cheating scumbag, knock em over the head put them on an island, and turn it into a Real Life hunger games that they can't cheat in...

    Cheaters should get more than a ban from a game when they are using 3rd party hacks.
    You do realise that most of the ones who cheat are actually very young? :o
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,088
    edited May 2017
    Phry said:
    Renoaku said:
    Because they have no life, and if it were my way I would personally take every cheating scumbag, knock em over the head put them on an island, and turn it into a Real Life hunger games that they can't cheat in...

    Cheaters should get more than a ban from a game when they are using 3rd party hacks.
    You do realise that most of the ones who cheat are actually very young? :o
    Then they would just be "Ruefrom the hunger games, but honestly I don't care I think there should be something to discourage cheating legally even if it took sending someone over to their house and making apologize in video which obviously wouldn't happen but I am serious something more than a ban and simply a cheater coming right back.

    I just personally have no mercy towards people who want to actually cheat using 3rd party hacks in online games there just is no place for it.

    Too bad like U.S Laws don't prevent online game cheating.
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,233
    With money removed from the equation, either of these work as a root cause..

    1) Some people's egos cannot handle any form of losing..
    2) An inherent need to win at any cost to prove to themselves and others of their superiority.. (which hilariously enough doesn't exist since they cheated to win)..

    Edit: 3) Recognizing their own deficiencies (slow reflexes, low hand-eye coordination), they compensate by cheating to stay in the running and compete..
    ^That pretty much nails it.

    There is a small portion of them wherein the act of cheating is the whole point. Just to see if they can. Some sell their discoveries for profit as well, but that would be adding money back in. So to stay within your parameters, the same reason mountain climbers climb mountains, to see if they can.
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  • PsYcHoGBRPsYcHoGBR Member UncommonPosts: 471
    Identity issues built on insecurity and low self esteem.
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  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,646
    Primates do not always follow ethics and are willing to trade their moral integrity for a quick meaningless victory in a computer game.

    There are individuals for whom ethics represents a primary decisive factor for their actions under normal circumstances, but I assume they are in minority.

    For the majority of them, personal gain is the most significant decisive factor determining their actions.
  • VardahothVardahoth Member RarePosts: 1,472
    Because People.
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  • Hawkaya399Hawkaya399 Member UncommonPosts: 474
    edited May 2017
    PsYcHoGBR said:
    Identity issues built on insecurity and low self esteem.
    I've always been insecure and had low self esteem and I've never wanted to cheat in games. In fact I've played open world PvP and lost things and I pride suffering through it. It hurts to lose stuff, but I value overcoming it.

    I think the reason players cheat is because they can't handle losing. The other reason is they have no shame. They don't owe the world anything and don't care about legit progression, just the end goal.

    Whatever means to meet an end.
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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,646
    PsYcHoGBR said:
    Identity issues built on insecurity and low self esteem.
    I've always been insecure and had low self esteem and I've never wanted to cheat in games. In fact I've played open world PvP and lost things and I pride suffering through it. It hurts to lose stuff, but I value overcoming it.

    I think the reason players cheat is because they can't handle losing. The other reason is they have no shame. They don't owe the world anything and don't care about legit progression, just the end goal.

    Whatever means to meet an end.


    Yep - if low self esteem was the cause - about 85% of people would be cheating. Yep low self esteem is incredibly common in general population.
  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,004
    Ok this is something I am quite familiar with cause I work in network security for a game that uses a very popular game engine so there are plenty of cheats out there for it and our work is never done.

    There are two main classes of cheaters we find that use aimbots and all sorts of hacks.

    - The troll - These guys dont really care, we cant miss these guys when we look at game logs and telemetry, they usually run the latest cheats all turned up to 11, they will trash talk people and really make everyone miserable, they dont really care about winning, we will ban their accounts, they will just buy a new one, sometimes they will juse use random cheats we can redily detect off the internet and just get banned automatically.

    - The subtle cheater - these guys are harder to catch, they run latest cheats but they will run the minimum most subtle settings, these guys usually want to win and want the fame of being the best, I dont get the motivation behind it, they will email us that they never used cheats when they get caught and make up all sorts of stories, they want to be seen as the best.


    There is a third category, which is the revenge cheater, when we find these they dont start off cheating, but then after either being beaten by someone else or having a cheater on the other team ( the case of just being bested is usually the most common scenario ), they will turn cheats on, this case is more uncommon and I havent really encountered it many times.
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  • chambordinchambordin Member UncommonPosts: 181
    I can't possibly fathom what motivates people to make these question threads, as if you'll ever get a satisfying answer out this sort of question.

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  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,456
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 2,768
    I can't possibly fathom what motivates people to make these question threads, as if you'll ever get a satisfying answer out this sort of question.

    "Why do the leaves fall? Have the branches resigned their fate to the ultimate undeniable truth? Nothing lasts forever." 
    Actually, I made the post because I am curious, and Raven's post is an excellent example of someone with experiencing answering my question. I had a thought about it, but why not ask others who have thought the same or experienced the same, and then i'll learn more from it. 

    Why people act the way they do is fascinating. Hence, there are books about why are people terrorists, etc. 

    So the answers, especially the post above you, is very satisfying actually. I am glad people answered the way they do, now I can understand it better. 

    I can see other people's thoughts, perhaps someone who used to cheat would explain their rationale for it. 

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  • ZionBaneZionBane Member UncommonPosts: 328
    edited May 2017
    This is a great question.

    As an older player with my hand-eye coordination (as well as my hands and eyes) in decline, I use programs like the Macro's off Razer,  (which I have the Naga and Orbweaver), I do this, because I realized that it's the only way I will ever be even remotely competitive, and by competitive.. I mean I can barely beat people that suck as bad as I do.

    So I have come to realize that the only reason why anyone uses Aim-Bots, and other cheats, is because they realize that they lack the skills and abilities to effectively play the game as intended, and there is no other way they will ever be able to win, or even be competitive without these programs.

    It must be harsh to realize you suck that bad.. but.. I guess that is why they seem to trash talk so much.

    Truth is,no matter how you slice it, when someone uses a hack-program, the only reason why they would do this, is for the same reasons I use macros',  they admit freely that they don't have what it takes to play the game as intended, and never will.

    I guess the difference between them and me, however, is I need a minor helping hand, they need to be carried. 
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    PsYcHoGBR said:
    Identity issues built on insecurity and low self esteem.
    I've always been insecure and had low self esteem and I've never wanted to cheat in games.

    Maybe you are losing at losing!
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  • Hawkaya399Hawkaya399 Member UncommonPosts: 474
    edited May 2017
    ZionBane, while limited macroing was legal on OSI servers (only in the amount already supplied), the skill gain macros typically used on player-run servers was illegal. Many player-run servers made it legal essentially making it part of the game--and learning how to script the macros became a part of the fun. However, those servers did have rules against certain kinds of macros or whether it was attended or not. So it wasn't free reign. Also there were some player-run servers forbidding it altogether.

    The difference is the legality of it. When you break the rules for the MMO or the licensing agreement or so on, you're not just a player anymore. Many MMO's only allow specific 3rd-party software. Using anything else is hacking.

    For people who use cheating in single player games, I think they tend to like certain kinds of progression less or are compensating--as you say--for shortcomings. Since it's not affecting anybody else and isn't illegal, I don't see a problem with it. Single player games are modded all the time and it's the same thing.

    But not all "single player" is the same. Consider arcades. While those're technically usually single player, players play them to get the highest score. In that sense, arcades were like MMO's. If you cheat, your score isn't legit. When I used to play in the Arcade, beating the scores was a big part of it for me. While it's true in some games you could exploit design issues, there's still a clear line between playing the game and merely exploiting a bug. If a bug requires as much skill to utilize, I can admire that. But it might be an entirely different skillset. It's still cheating by every definition.
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  • RemyVorenderRemyVorender Member RarePosts: 3,824
    edited May 2017
    One of the all time great questions for me. I mean really, what's the fucking point?

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  • EldurianEldurian Member EpicPosts: 2,736
    edited May 2017
    ZionBane said:
    This is a great question.

    As an older player with my hand-eye coordination (as well as my hands and eyes) in decline, I use programs like the Macro's off Razer,  (which I have the Naga and Orbweaver), I do this, because I realized that it's the only way I will ever be even remotely competitive, and by competitive.. I mean I can barely beat people that suck as bad as I do.

    So I have come to realize that the only reason why anyone uses Aim-Bots, and other cheats, is because they realize that they lack the skills and abilities to effectively play the game as intended, and there is no other way they will ever be able to win, or even be competitive without these programs.

    It must be harsh to realize you suck that bad.. but.. I guess that is why they seem to trash talk so much.

    Truth is,no matter how you slice it, when someone uses a hack-program, the only reason why they would do this, is for the same reasons I use macros',  they admit freely that they don't have what it takes to play the game as intended, and never will.

    I guess the difference between them and me, however, is I need a minor helping hand, they need to be carried. 
    I'll let you in on a secret.

    High end gear like the naga isn't a crutch for bad players.

    It's a prerequisite for becoming a top end player. Playing a game without a higher end gaming mouse/keyboard is kind of like showing up for a race in an unupgraded Ford Taurus. If you want to get into any kind of competitive play, even the high end of casual, you need to have gear that matches that level of play or you are unnecessarily nerfing yourself.

    Aim-bots are another story. If you are caught using those you get banned which is the strict dividing line between playing smart and being a cheater. 
    ZionBane
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    As the OP stated, I can understand a cheater when something is on the line. It was means to an end, money, fame, you were dishonest and cut corners. You got caught. You lost and are shamed.

    I don't get folks who not only exploit and cheat, but gloat and grandstand totally ignoring the fact that they cheat. THESE are the people who I feel have emotional/psychological issues.
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