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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,877

    DMKano said:

    whats next?



    I expect more kickstarter/ crowdfunding rounds.



    I disagree. I expect them to move crowd funding packages and sales to their website after this. They don't need to pay Kickstarter again especially not if the core game is already budgeted out. The website approach is popular with indie teams once the project is on its feet. This is more about marketing and the new way games are launched.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,877





    Shadowven said:



    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.



    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation







    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/






    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  


    Don't be a douche. Having referral links isn't against the rules here, or isn't enforced. People have referral links for Trino, EA, etc in their sigs. Don't try to be a forum cop with your personal agenda.
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  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,783
    Let's ensure we have a few items secured for posterity.

    This project will be delivered by December 2018.

    It has been privately funded and this kickstarter was primarily for marketing, polishing, and growing a few remaining portions of the game.

    It is not MLM or a pyramid scheme according to quite a few people.

    The game has been in pre-alpha for a long time and there are in-game videos of gameplay.


    Alright, sounds good guys, at least Dec 2018 isn't too far away so I can't wait to see what they have ready to go gold by then, y'know the "core" product. The next few years will be interesting to watch as some high profile kickstarter games should be releasing or close to it. I've got popcorn and money ready. The money is if one of these projects actually releases with promised features with a high level of quality, and the popcorn is for it they tumble like jenga.

  • belocbeloc Member UncommonPosts: 14
    If you do a little research you will find that Steve Sharifs mother has made a fortune with a company called Xango. And if you look at John Moore and Steven Sharif themselves, they dont seem to be hurting for funds either.. I would have to guess that this has been "self funded" up to this point and as they said, this is for fluff. Thats just my opinion doing some general research and assumptions.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,149


    There is an interview on Massively that answers many questions people are asking here


    And a damn good, informative interview at that:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/

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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,575
    edited May 2017


    Rusque said:


    Let's ensure we have a few items secured for posterity.

    This project will be delivered by December 2018.

    It has been privately funded and this kickstarter was primarily for marketing, polishing, and growing a few remaining portions of the game.

    It is not MLM or a pyramid scheme according to quite a few people.

    The game has been in pre-alpha for a long time and there are in-game videos of gameplay.


    Alright, sounds good guys, at least Dec 2018 isn't too far away so I can't wait to see what they have ready to go gold by then, y'know the "core" product. The next few years will be interesting to watch as some high profile kickstarter games should be releasing or close to it. I've got popcorn and money ready. The money is if one of these projects actually releases with promised features with a high level of quality, and the popcorn is for it they tumble like jenga.





    Actually on discord a mod said dec this year will hold an alpha test.

    It could be a typo tho.

    Also, something really huge and cool:
    Next week gameplay footage of Rogue class.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,212

    Iselin said:





    There is an interview on Massively that answers many questions people are asking here




    And a damn good, informative interview at that:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/



    I keep getting a 502 error at massively and I'm stuck on my phone.  Can someone summarize?

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  • wormedwormed Member UncommonPosts: 470
    I don't support Kickstarters anymore. We'll see where this is in a few years. I'm sure I'll forget about it for the most part.
  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,200
    edited May 2017







    Iselin said:











    There is an interview on Massively that answers many questions people are asking here








    And a damn good, informative interview at that:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/







    I keep getting a 502 error at massively and I'm stuck on my phone.  Can someone summarize?




    Sure! The www.massivelyop.com website is currently down atm (not just for your phone). :lol:
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,575









    Iselin said:











    There is an interview on Massively that answers many questions people are asking here








    And a damn good, informative interview at that:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/







    I keep getting a 502 error at massively and I'm stuck on my phone.  Can someone summarize?




    Sure! The www.massivelyop.com website is currently down atm. :lol:


    Wow, never thought Blue was this popular.
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  • ShadowvenShadowven Member UncommonPosts: 11
    This was a live Q&A twitch feed with Steven Sharif. Enjoy =D

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/139948292
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,149












    Iselin said:














    There is an interview on Massively that answers many questions people are asking here










    And a damn good, informative interview at that:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/









    I keep getting a 502 error at massively and I'm stuck on my phone.  Can someone summarize?






    Sure! The www.massivelyop.com website is currently down atm (not just for your phone). :lol:


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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,877

    Iselin said:





    There is an interview on Massively that answers many questions people are asking here




    And a damn good, informative interview at that:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/



    It really is a good interview. I'm not a pvp person anymore, but what got me onboard is that they designed the flagging system after Lineage. I'll give a game a shot and try out a pvp system in that way. To me that's the closest to an organic system as we've realized today. I doubt that it will work out as he pictures, because I think organic low-gank pvp is a moving target, but it's about as close as I think we can get at this point.

    Another thing that sold me is they have thought this through as a business and not just a game they want to play in dreamland. Going with a subscription and a cash shop from the get go makes sense. It's the only way a sub game can really work. I like that he was up front about how they plan on selling cash shop items and why.

    Also the explanation of using basic class names to define archetypes at this point - totally grounded and sensible.

    The sensible planned approach to the project is something I found really attractive. The only other indie project I've seen with that sort of sensible approach to systems design and implementation has been Camelot Unchained.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,149

    Torval said:



    Iselin said:








    There is an interview on Massively that answers many questions people are asking here






    And a damn good, informative interview at that:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/04/ashes-of-creations-steven-sharif-on-his-business-history-30m-funding-goal-and-pvp/





    It really is a good interview. I'm not a pvp person anymore, but what got me onboard is that they designed the flagging system after Lineage. I'll give a game a shot and try out a pvp system in that way. To me that's the closest to an organic system as we've realized today. I doubt that it will work out as he pictures, because I think organic low-gank pvp is a moving target, but it's about as close as I think we can get at this point.

    Another thing that sold me is they have thought this through as a business and not just a game they want to play in dreamland. Going with a subscription and a cash shop from the get go makes sense. It's the only way a sub game can really work. I like that he was up front about how they plan on selling cash shop items and why.

    Also the explanation of using basic class names to define archetypes at this point - totally grounded and sensible.

    The sensible planned approach to the project is something I found really attractive. The only other indie project I've seen with that sort of sensible approach to systems design and implementation has been Camelot Unchained.


    The part that impressed me the most is that Steven does sound like a genuine MMORPG gamer. His enthusiasm for doing something better with the genre comes through in spades. Lots of plain common sense honesty and very little hype in his responses.
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  • anonentityanonentity Member UncommonPosts: 36
    After ESO I will never subscribe to an mmo with a cash shop.

    Do one or the other, not both.
  • TimEisenTimEisen ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,293

    Nyctelios said:



    TimEisen said:


    If its already paid for, have they said how much that number is?




    No. And he said it on live but the discord FAQ says otherwise... So it is kinda conflicted information (same for alpha phases, discord mods are pasting information that does not match with stream Q&A)

    I'm curious because every KS says they need X amount to make the game then the day after funding they open a digi store and tell their backers they need more money lol. If IS has a war chest already they might not fall into that category, at least I hope they dont. 
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  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,575

    TimEisen said:



    Nyctelios said:





    TimEisen said:



    If its already paid for, have they said how much that number is?






    No. And he said it on live but the discord FAQ says otherwise... So it is kinda conflicted information (same for alpha phases, discord mods are pasting information that does not match with stream Q&A)


    I'm curious because every KS says they need X amount to make the game then the day after funding they open a digi store and tell their backers they need more money lol. If IS has a war chest already they might not fall into that category, at least I hope they dont. 


    Well, we are all curious about it because of that. They said live they did not need the KS money for the core game, but on interview they said they needed it. But they are making new goals for extra stuff.

    It could be just a misunderstanding. 
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,877


    After ESO I will never subscribe to an mmo with a cash shop.

    Do one or the other, not both.


    They can't survive without both unless they crank up the prices of either to cover the missed revenue stream. On top of that I think maybe you're not being realistic. Only a few older fringe mmos don't sell digital extras. Ryzom comes to mind but I'm having a hard time thinking of any other sub based game that doesn't have a cash shop.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,212

    Torval said:









    Shadowven said:




    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.




    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation









    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/








    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  




    Don't be a douche. Having referral links isn't against the rules here, or isn't enforced. People have referral links for Trino, EA, etc in their sigs. Don't try to be a forum cop with your personal agenda.


    Nice response.  Also it's very much against the rules.  Feel free to look them up.  Yes I have an issue believing someone who comes in, says how great a game is, and drops a link that gives him 15% of whatever is earned from that link, in real cash, for perpetuity.   You don't like the rules here take it up with the powers that be but keep your insults to yourself.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,912

    TimEisen said:



    Nyctelios said:





    TimEisen said:



    If its already paid for, have they said how much that number is?






    No. And he said it on live but the discord FAQ says otherwise... So it is kinda conflicted information (same for alpha phases, discord mods are pasting information that does not match with stream Q&A)


    I'm curious because every KS says they need X amount to make the game then the day after funding they open a digi store and tell their backers they need more money lol. If IS has a war chest already they might not fall into that category, at least I hope they dont. 


    This team is doing it differently !

    They will continue raising funds after the KS campaign, while assuring everybody that the extra funds aren't REALLY needed, it's just to help "make the game better"... :D
  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,257

    Sovrath said:



    Nanfoodle said:


    Still watching and yet to see any detail on game play video, combat direction, classes, crafting. We know they have nodes and I will say that part sounds awesome but you could have had  pledge from my wife and I as well. So we sit back and watch. 






    Well, they have listed the classes and there is a video with combat against some mobs.



    The only issue I see is that I haven't seen anything with "lots of people" around. A group going to a dungeon delve, etc. Or a city with a lot of people.



    There's a few videos out, most before the KS, but they did show some gameplay on yesterday's stream. They've also answers questions about all of the quoted posters topics on both their Q&A Streams as well as a podcast stream last night from DungeonCrawlerNetwork. Lots of info is out there if people bother looking for it.
  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,257





    Shadowven said:



    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.



    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation







    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/






    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  



    It's not a referral link. A referral link would have his username at the end of it after the last slash, but it doesn't. That link just functions as a regular link.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,877




    Torval said:













    Shadowven said:





    Well To those who want more information and want to stay active with the AoC community and Dev's.





    Join the discord channel =D: https://discord.gg/AshesOfCreation











    Want to join the AoC Community: https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/










    And the true purpose comes out.  His referral link which is against the site rules and gives him 15% of anything you spend.  






    Don't be a douche. Having referral links isn't against the rules here, or isn't enforced. People have referral links for Trino, EA, etc in their sigs. Don't try to be a forum cop with your personal agenda.




    Nice response.  Also it's very much against the rules.  Feel free to look them up.  Yes I have an issue believing someone who comes in, says how great a game is, and drops a link that gives him 15% of whatever is earned from that link, in real cash, for perpetuity.   You don't like the rules here take it up with the powers that be but keep your insults to yourself.

    Sorry, I guess I got confused by your selective outrage and offense at the practice. I didn't realize that it's only okay for you to attack posters when it fits your argument and never the established ones, just the low hanging fruit.

    I'm pretty sure flaming people and calling out moderation offenses are just as against the rules, but you're applying a double standard, again to fit your vendetta agenda. You're supposed to report people and not respond, flame, troll, or derail conversations either. Anything to say about that?

    Maybe you should try acting on your own advice.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,149


    After ESO I will never subscribe to an mmo with a cash shop.

    Do one or the other, not both.


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  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,257

    Nyctelios said:








    Shadowven said:







    Elminzter said:




    imo 750k to develop a mmorpg is unrealistic take a look at crowfall and camelot unchained, something does not add up...
















    Eliminzter, The game is already privately funded. The kickstarter is for bonus material and to help growth.






    Funded for the "core" product.  What exactly is considered in scope of the core product and what is excluded?  What is the budget for this "core" product?



    Jokes aside, I have the very same concern as you - adding the rewards having no concept to show what they actually are.



    You mean the KS rewards? They've posted concept art for the mounts, the monster token thing was shown in game on yesterday's livestream. There's a Phoenix aura or something that was described verbally on one of the livestreams as well. I haven't kept track of everything, this is just what I've seen personally. The point being they do know what all this stuff is going to be so they're not hiding it.
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