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Pantheon - Estimated Release 2017?

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  • Gyva02Gyva02 Member RarePosts: 481
    This site didnt used t obe so infatuated wit hgames that arent even beta yet.....With the hundreds of MMOs out and available now, you'd think we would turn our attention to those, but with this industry its always what is coming instead of what is.
    P99 is - Pantheon is coming... Rock it... 
  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335
    Dullahan said:
    This site didnt used t obe so infatuated wit hgames that arent even beta yet.....With the hundreds of MMOs out and available now, you'd think we would turn our attention to those, but with this industry its always what is coming instead of what is.
    Or the other alternative, the MMOs that have been coming out for years really just suck that bad.


    I can count the MMO's that I truly enjoyed on one hand.

    Of those, City of Heroes and Vanguard are no longer available.


    I still play EQ and EQII

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
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  • Magna104Magna104 Member UncommonPosts: 3
    Lets hope Brad learned his lesson from Vanguard.  That game was so cool in concept, and the actual game world was amazing.  The poor execution sank it before it had a chance.  Still, I played it from early beta until they shut it down.

    I doubt I'll play this one.  Don't think I can sign on for another Brad game given how badly he mismanaged the last one.  Hopefully he won't rush this one to release in bad shape just because he's running out of time and money.  Again.


  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,305
    Magna104 said:
    Lets hope Brad learned his lesson from Vanguard.  That game was so cool in concept, and the actual game world was amazing.  The poor execution sank it before it had a chance.  Still, I played it from early beta until they shut it down.

    I doubt I'll play this one.  Don't think I can sign on for another Brad game given how badly he mismanaged the last one.  Hopefully he won't rush this one to release in bad shape just because he's running out of time and money.  Again.


    i'm with you but you can try the game before buying, there is really no reason not to give this game a try if the concept interests you.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,746
    edited April 2017
    baphamet said:
    Magna104 said:
    Lets hope Brad learned his lesson from Vanguard.  That game was so cool in concept, and the actual game world was amazing.  The poor execution sank it before it had a chance.  Still, I played it from early beta until they shut it down.

    I doubt I'll play this one.  Don't think I can sign on for another Brad game given how badly he mismanaged the last one.  Hopefully he won't rush this one to release in bad shape just because he's running out of time and money.  Again.


    i'm with you but you can try the game before buying, there is really no reason not to give this game a try if the concept interests you.
    Kinda like chucking out the baby with the bath water =-) Also Brad is not running the show. I think he is the lead game designer or something like that. He is not managing VR. Its all about Brad's skill and vision for the game, the thing he is really good at. 
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    Catibrie



  • Good_ApolloGood_Apollo Member UncommonPosts: 55
    Vanguard was the single biggest disappointment I've had in my history as an MMO gamer. Not because the game was bad, surprisingly there were elements of that game that were absolutely masterful. It was a disappointment because, as mentioned above, it was just so poorly executed that it sank the game before it ever really had a chance. I think if it was better managed/handled, Vanguard could have been one of the best MMO's released for its time. It had a spark of something brilliant, and despite its pervasive flaws I played it tirelessly in 2007.

    If Pantheon has that same spark + better management, which it appears to, we're all in for a treat - and I'll wait for this game another 5 years if I have to. Because it'll be worth it.
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,040
    Vanguard was the last game I bought into the hype for......Luckily I got into beta late and saw what a disaster it was and didnt invest in it....I have no idea on this game but my hopes arent up...if it turns out good then its a pleasant surprise....msot of the screenshots I've soon look pretty dated though for a 2017 or later game...... It looks like something made in early 2000s.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,746


    Vanguard was the last game I bought into the hype for......Luckily I got into beta late and saw what a disaster it was and didnt invest in it....I have no idea on this game but my hopes arent up...if it turns out good then its a pleasant surprise....msot of the screenshots I've soon look pretty dated though for a 2017 or later game...... It looks like something made in early 2000s.


     If you think this game has graphics from around 2000 then you need to refresh your memory and look up games from that era, I think you have playing forgotten what that really looks like lol
    Catibrie



  • LetsinodLetsinod Member UncommonPosts: 385
    Its looks dated.  Maybe not early 2000's but even LOTROs scenery looks better.  Of course if they would actually make something versus buying everything from the Unity store that like 4 other games are already using...
  • Good_ApolloGood_Apollo Member UncommonPosts: 55
    edited April 2017




    Vanguard was the last game I bought into the hype for......Luckily I got into beta late and saw what a disaster it was and didnt invest in it....I have no idea on this game but my hopes arent up...if it turns out good then its a pleasant surprise....msot of the screenshots I've soon look pretty dated though for a 2017 or later game...... It looks like something made in early 2000s.




    I don't understand this hyper-focus on graphics. I could really give a crap if it looks dated, I only care how the game plays and the fundamental concepts used to shape the game.

    I much prefer them to use their limited resources on actual content and gameplay, rather than graphics and art assets.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,070


    Vanguard was the last game I bought into the hype for......Luckily I got into beta late and saw what a disaster it was and didnt invest in it....I have no idea on this game but my hopes arent up...if it turns out good then its a pleasant surprise....msot of the screenshots I've soon look pretty dated though for a 2017 or later game...... It looks like something made in early 2000s.


    Yeah but it's an indy game. There's no way it's going to compete with studios that have millions to throw at graphics.

    Anyone purchasing this game needs to know that and needs to be on board with that. I strongly suspect the fans of this game (or at least fans of what we know) will have made their peace with that.
    Catibrie



  • Silverthorn8Silverthorn8 Member UncommonPosts: 510
    A few more live streams should convince some of the naysayers. Especially after some more graphical and animation passes are in.

    If it retails a b2p option I'll definitely be in.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,516
    B2P + sub with a free trial up to 10 is what is being considered, but that isn't set in stone.

    Even though Pantheon will be far more popular than what most anticipate, without the mass appeal and marketing of games like Guild Wars, I don't see a pure B2P without sub providing enough funding for continual development.
    Catibrie


  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663

    Dullahan said:

    B2P + sub with a free trial up to 10 is what is being considered, but that isn't set in stone.

    Even though Pantheon will be far more popular than what most anticipate, without the mass appeal and marketing of games like Guild Wars, I don't see a pure B2P without sub providing enough funding for continual development.


    If they tried to do B2P the ESO model is probably more lucrative and just a better model for both the player and publisher. With ESO the base game is dollars. They have a dollar only xpac once a year and then xpacs you can buy with their game cash. You can purchase game cash or get it through subscribing (at a pretty good rate). The sub also has some convenience features that exclusive to it as an added incentive above the game cash.

    For Pantheon I don't see a cash shop working due to demographic preferences along with the potential PR hassle. It's still easy to remove the cash shop from the game and use a dollars only fee schedule for xpacs, character slots, or whatever else the community wants sold as addons. A sub would need to have some perk associated with it because despite what people say they won't crack open their wallets unless they see a benefit.

    They could go the FF14 and WoW route and have a box fee (xpac fees), plus mandatory sub, plus extras on the website. That is going to reduce the number of players generating revenue but set a minimum revenue floor per player account.

    They're in a tough position as an indie. An indie studio is much more subject to its target demographic and how they're willing to pay. They need to keep in mind how they want to sell the game, but also see how trends are working best for indies closer to release. I mean they shouldn't paint themselves into a corner too early in the dev cycle. They've been good about setting expectations though.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,746
    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow. 
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663

    Nanfoodle said:

    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow. 


    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.
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  • CaseyxCaseyx Member UncommonPosts: 15

    Torval said:



    Nanfoodle said:


    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow. 




    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.


    They already have that stuff up for sale...

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/

    Caseyx

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,746

    Caseyx said:



    Torval said:





    Nanfoodle said:



    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow. 






    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.




    They already have that stuff up for sale...

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/


    None of it add stats. Nothing to help combat. They are just some toys you can use on your first char for pledging. Nothing like the cash shops we see in MMOs where you can even buy in game gold. 
    Catibrie



  • TheocritusTheocritus Member EpicPosts: 7,040
    B2P with sub...My expectations for success just dropped even more.....Terrible business model in 2017....That just screams cash grab.
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member RarePosts: 3,410
    Happy to buy the game and pay a sub, good old fashion payment model. 
    Nilden




  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003

    Caseyx said:



    Torval said:





    Nanfoodle said:



    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow. 






    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.




    They already have that stuff up for sale...

    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/



    Of course they do, Captain Spaulding.

    Welcome to the new age of MMO shopping malls. Maybe they'll sell some of that Ruggsville fried chicken just for you. ;-)
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,663

    Caseyx said:
    Torval said:
    Nanfoodle said:

    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow.

    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.

    They already have that stuff up for sale...
    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/
    Of course they do, Captain Spaulding.

    Welcome to the new age of MMO shopping malls. Maybe they'll sell some of that Ruggsville fried chicken just for you. ;-)

    Nanfoodle said they didn't have a cash shop. But they do have a cash shop, it's just on their website. It's so hard to have an honest real discussion about a game here when people post doublespeak crap like that.
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  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521

    Torval said:



    Caseyx said:
    Torval said:
    Nanfoodle said:


    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow.


    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.


    They already have that stuff up for sale...
    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/
    Of course they do, Captain Spaulding.

    Welcome to the new age of MMO shopping malls. Maybe they'll sell some of that Ruggsville fried chicken just for you. ;-)


    Nanfoodle said they didn't have a cash shop. But they do have a cash shop, it's just on their website. It's so hard to have an honest real discussion about a game here when people post doublespeak crap like that.


    Crowdfund packages with items is not a "cash shop." This is indeed doublespeak ;)
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003

    Aelious said:



    Torval said:





    Caseyx said:
    Torval said:
    Nanfoodle said:



    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow.



    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.



    They already have that stuff up for sale...
    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/
    Of course they do, Captain Spaulding.

    Welcome to the new age of MMO shopping malls. Maybe they'll sell some of that Ruggsville fried chicken just for you. ;-)



    Nanfoodle said they didn't have a cash shop. But they do have a cash shop, it's just on their website. It's so hard to have an honest real discussion about a game here when people post doublespeak crap like that.




    Crowdfund packages with items is not a "cash shop." This is indeed doublespeak ;)



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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,746

    Aelious said:



    Torval said:





    Caseyx said:
    Torval said:
    Nanfoodle said:



    Myself I'm excited for a MMO that's doing B2P with a sub and no cash shop. I find it refreshing. Been a long time since everything you see in game will have been earned by a player somehow.



    So no crowd funded or early access exclusives? No exclusive "collector" digital stuff with a premium box fee or pre-purchase? I haven't seen that since Lineage. EQ and EQ2 used to do that all the time. Same with LotRO, GW, and every MMO I've played since then. No digital extras for real money is a really rare thing.



    They already have that stuff up for sale...
    https://www.pantheonmmo.com/join/
    Of course they do, Captain Spaulding.

    Welcome to the new age of MMO shopping malls. Maybe they'll sell some of that Ruggsville fried chicken just for you. ;-)



    Nanfoodle said they didn't have a cash shop. But they do have a cash shop, it's just on their website. It's so hard to have an honest real discussion about a game here when people post doublespeak crap like that.




    Crowdfund packages with items is not a "cash shop." This is indeed doublespeak ;)


     Let them educate themselves. I took time to look into the pledge items before I pledged.
    Catibrie



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