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Bot Maker Bossland Loses Again, Set to Pay Blizzard $8.6M - World of Warcraft - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited April 2017 in News & Features Discussion

imageBot Maker Bossland Loses Again, Set to Pay Blizzard $8.6M - World of Warcraft - MMORPG.com

World of Warcraft News - As reported in March, Blizzard filed a lawsuit against bot software creator Bossland. It appears that the cheat software company has lost another lawsuit to Blizzard, this time at the hands of a California court that has ordered the company to pay out $8.6M for "copyright infringement, unfair competition and violation of the DMCA's anti-circumvention provision". It is possible that Bossland will also be required to pay Blizzard's legal fees to the tune of an additional $177k.

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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    Glad to finally see companies like this get what they deserve.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,175
    Sweet Relief.

  • KalebGraysonKalebGrayson Member RarePosts: 430
    Just some random thoughts here: They need to go after the gamers that buy the service/gold. As long as there is a demand for the service, gold, whatever, the companies that provide the service will continue to try to provide it. These companies will just escalate their annoying advertising now, hack more accounts, etc. to recoup losses or to attempt to offset the potential for future lawsuits. I dunno, there's no easy solution here. There's blame to go around, make more interesting games that folks want to play and there might be less power leveling, but that doesn't reduce the desire that some gamers have to pay for gold. You can't regulate a players laziness.
  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 Member UncommonPosts: 1,023
    can they please go after eso bots next?
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Nemesis7884 said:
    can they please go after eso bots next?

    Well..... The precedent has been set, so this could be floodgates opening. 

    Crazkanuk

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  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,455
    What happened to all the people on the forums that told us this was perfectly legal and no way would Blizzard win this suit?

  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    flizzer said:
    What happened to all the people on the forums that told us this was perfectly legal and no way would Blizzard win this suit?

    I think that Blizzard is going for "death by a thousand cuts" by going after Bossland where they know they can get them. They didn't file suit in Germany, but in the US where copyright laws are harsher and they could prove sales to US customers that bore up their allegation. I say all good.


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  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Member RarePosts: 1,696

    flizzer said:

    What happened to all the people on the forums that told us this was perfectly legal and no way would Blizzard win this suit?






    They're probably too busy trying to erase all records of their illegal purchases.
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,401
    edited April 2017
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    Yeah me likey

    I want these parasites to continue to get what's coming to them.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,895
    edited April 2017
    I think they should just make a server where cheats are fine. Charge an extra 2 bucks a month. Let it be filled with bots. A land where no one plays their avatar.
  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 488

    KalebGrayson said:

    Just some random thoughts here: They need to go after the gamers that buy the service/gold. As long as there is a demand for the service, gold, whatever, the companies that provide the service will continue to try to provide it. These companies will just escalate their annoying advertising now, hack more accounts, etc. to recoup losses or to attempt to offset the potential for future lawsuits. I dunno, there's no easy solution here. There's blame to go around, make more interesting games that folks want to play and there might be less power leveling, but that doesn't reduce the desire that some gamers have to pay for gold. You can't regulate a players laziness.



    For a number of reasons:

    1) it costs more and it's logistically difficult, proving which players did what nefariously is difficult ( RMT accounts don't just send gold to customers; they often perform legitimate actions within the economy, and going after the recipients is fraught with issues that could impact legitimate revenue streams ),

    2) it has no long term benefits as you'll never stamp out the demand entirely, similar to the way drug and alcohol prohibition demonstrably doesn't work ( going after companies operating in the space dissuades others from getting involved in RMT; as someone who's been down that route, it quite clearly works as activity within the market has diminished SIGNIFICANTLY as a consequence of rulings like this )

    3) it doesn't target noticeable entities/player bans lack marketability ( people don't notice when you ban or suspend buyers in drips, but they take notice when you hit a bot company or an RMT company with an $8.6 million lawsuit; take a look at InnerSpace, for example, and the prior ban waves that did absolutely nothing to dissuade its customers ),

    4) it's easier to take out one operator than 30,000 customers ( cut off the head, and the body will die... etc ),

    5) ( this is probably the big one that no one considers ) Blizzard ( and others ) want to push a legal precedent towards harsher punishment of individuals involved in these efforts, not just a civil matter ( as in, contract law ) but in a criminal sense ( the ultimate victory for Blizzard and others would be to get third-party, unofficial automation and RMT operations criminalised, and the only way they can do that is by racking up consistent legal victories that set a definite precedent; currently, it's a matter under civil law and contract law, but it is not a criminal concern; if Blizzard can push a consistent narrative through court actions, then they can most definitely lobby to have offenses under criminal law created to cover automation and RMT operations; it's probably not an active concern at this point, but I DEFINITELY would not be surprised if they've had the conversation both internally and externally ). You can't achieve those ends by going after your players.
  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 488

    JudgeUK said:



    flizzer said:


    What happened to all the people on the forums that told us this was perfectly legal and no way would Blizzard win this suit?











    They're probably too busy trying to erase all records of their illegal purchases.



    It really doesn't add to the debate when you make stupid comments like that tbh.
  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 488

    CrazKanuk said:


    Nemesis7884 said:

    can they please go after eso bots next?



    Well..... The precedent has been set, so this could be floodgates opening. 



    The precedent hasn't been set. It's being set. There's a difference.
  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    Wellspring said:
    Glad to finally see companies like this get what they deserve.
    Damn right, sue these jerks for all they're worth!

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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    Reizla said:
    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...
    No, you missed the point of the court ruling. Bossland is in violation of US copyright laws because of the sales to US customers of cheat software. They aren't going for a worldwide ruling, only US based as determined by sales to US customers. This has nothing to do with international law, only US. The end result may be that sales of their cheat programs will stop in the US unless they want to continually be sued by Blizzard for their business practices inside the country. Not a bad result in the end, IMO.


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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,175
    Reizla said:
    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...
    Why would you tacitly support these scum bags. They need to be stopped and if Germany is shielding them then you need to lobby for a change not rejoice in them getting away with it in Germany.

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584

    kitarad said:


    Reizla said:

    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...


    Why would you tacitly support these scum bags. They need to be stopped and if Germany is shielding them then you need to lobby for a change not rejoice in them getting away with it in Germany.



    kinda is not support its reality, the us ruling means nothing if the company is not on US, so if they are in germany, they will have to make the case in germany, the US ruling could mean something IF they had something in US, but here is the problem, all programs is sold over internet, also is not a legal thing so saying they had to pay means nothing if they are not forced to do so, this is not even the end of the battle, they still are just fighting it out
    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    alkarionlog said:

    kitarad said:


    Reizla said:

    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...


    Why would you tacitly support these scum bags. They need to be stopped and if Germany is shielding them then you need to lobby for a change not rejoice in them getting away with it in Germany.



    kinda is not support its reality, the us ruling means nothing if the company is not on US, so if they are in germany, they will have to make the case in germany, the US ruling could mean something IF they had something in US, but here is the problem, all programs is sold over internet, also is not a legal thing so saying they had to pay means nothing if they are not forced to do so, this is not even the end of the battle, they still are just fighting it out
    I think you missed the bit where Blizzard won the court case, again, and that it now gives precedent for other companies to use that ruling to virtually guarantee their own cases, a further ruling in Germany is not required, as this one only really applies to NA, but considering how large a factor that is when it comes to online gaming, i suspect that its all that is required to destroy some of these companies that make cheat software. :o
  • Starbuck1771Starbuck1771 Member UncommonPosts: 375

    DMKano said:

    The faster game companies bankrupt these parasites that have been profiting off their hard work, the better off online games will be.



    Of course this wont win the war on 3rd party automated gameplay assholes, but it does shove a big middle finger with Blizzard on it in their face.



    now if they could just do the same with gold sellers.

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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503
    Reizla said:
    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...
    You should actually read the article before posting. You completely missed the point of the article.dotdotdash said:

    CrazKanuk said:


    Nemesis7884 said:

    can they please go after eso bots next?



    Well..... The precedent has been set, so this could be floodgates opening. 



    The precedent hasn't been set. It's being set. There's a difference.
    Very good point, there is a big difference however, this is a very good step in the right direction.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

    In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.

  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,089
    I find US Law hillarious. The only country where u have to write down first what u cant do before u write what u can do. A old lady put her dog into a microwave to warm him up but get grilled instead? No problem: here are your 70mil. Us Laws are really strange. They like especially to sue foreign establishments.
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Phry said:
    alkarionlog said:

    kitarad said:


    Reizla said:

    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...


    Why would you tacitly support these scum bags. They need to be stopped and if Germany is shielding them then you need to lobby for a change not rejoice in them getting away with it in Germany.



    kinda is not support its reality, the us ruling means nothing if the company is not on US, so if they are in germany, they will have to make the case in germany, the US ruling could mean something IF they had something in US, but here is the problem, all programs is sold over internet, also is not a legal thing so saying they had to pay means nothing if they are not forced to do so, this is not even the end of the battle, they still are just fighting it out
    I think you missed the bit where Blizzard won the court case, again, and that it now gives precedent for other companies to use that ruling to virtually guarantee their own cases, a further ruling in Germany is not required, as this one only really applies to NA, but considering how large a factor that is when it comes to online gaming, i suspect that its all that is required to destroy some of these companies that make cheat software. :o
    I think you missed too the question of who will force then to pay?
    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    alkarionlog said:
    Phry said:
    alkarionlog said:

    kitarad said:


    Reizla said:

    ...big deal...

    Bosslansd is a German company (was by now), and to make a non-German/non-EU court ruling valid, you have to go through it all again in Germany. With previous rulings in Germany on the same subject, it's still questionable if Blizzard will succeed (again) in Germany...


    Why would you tacitly support these scum bags. They need to be stopped and if Germany is shielding them then you need to lobby for a change not rejoice in them getting away with it in Germany.



    kinda is not support its reality, the us ruling means nothing if the company is not on US, so if they are in germany, they will have to make the case in germany, the US ruling could mean something IF they had something in US, but here is the problem, all programs is sold over internet, also is not a legal thing so saying they had to pay means nothing if they are not forced to do so, this is not even the end of the battle, they still are just fighting it out
    I think you missed the bit where Blizzard won the court case, again, and that it now gives precedent for other companies to use that ruling to virtually guarantee their own cases, a further ruling in Germany is not required, as this one only really applies to NA, but considering how large a factor that is when it comes to online gaming, i suspect that its all that is required to destroy some of these companies that make cheat software. :o
    I think you missed too the question of who will force then to pay?

    The courts. I'm sure if they fail to comply with the demands of the court, then they could be extradited and serve jail time. 

    Crazkanuk

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    Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
    Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
    Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
    Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
    Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
    ----------------

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Good news but it is really that much money into botting or is it just the US habit of putting up an insanely huge sum in fees for copyright infringement?

    I am not saying they don't deserve it, just that it seems unlikely to me that they could earn so much money on Wow bots...
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