That was a waste of 15 dollars

TheScavenger · March 2017

I was super excited to start talking with my friends in WoW and interacting with my guildS.

See, I'm on two servers. Two really active (or used to be) servers. Tichondrius (cause PVE only is too boring in WoW), and Moon Guard (bad reputation, but super friendly people)

I log on to Tichondrius. Hm, that is weird...Orgrimmar is far more emptier than just two months ago (when I last played, had to stop due to money problems). Wait, my guild I'm in that started in early WoD...lets see...a few people on...look at log...mass quitting and no one is inviting anyone. I ask the guild leader, he said "most people unsubbed, a few joined other guilds or went to other servers. My subscription isn't being renewed.". And again, Orgrimmar is very empty compared to two months ago.

Well, at least I have my best WoW friends on Moon Guard.

I...wait...my best friend from back in WOTLK isn't in the guild anymore? WTF? He was last active a month ago? Why is there so many people not part of the guild anymore? I ask in guild chat, people (very few on compared to 2 months ago) shrug and just say the server is a lot less active than it used to be. And...like Tichondrius...chat is a lot less active...Stormwind is okay, more active than Tichondrius Orgrimmar, but nothing like 2 months ago.

So...I paid 15 dollars, played 10 minutes, logged off, unsubbed since all my friends left and my favorite guilds from any MMO (they were amazing) are dead and I deleted the game

15 dollars down the drain. Hope blizzard likes easy money lol

DarLorkar · March 2017

Dunno...every guild i have been in had a website that would help keep people together in all games. I would never join a guild and not have a way to keep in touch.

I mean, what's the point? Otherwise just leave the guild when you stop playing and join whatever the most popular guild on server when you come back, they are not really friends doing it your way it seems to me.

Find a true guild that has an website that lets you stay in touch with people all the time, then you can always find those that you like to play with.

Sovrath · March 2017

TheScavenger said:

I was super excited to start talking with my friends in WoW and interacting with my guildS.

See, I'm on two servers. Two really active (or used to be) servers. Tichondrius (cause PVE only is too boring in WoW), and Moon Guard (bad reputation, but super friendly people)

I log on to Tichondrius. Hm, that is weird...Orgrimmar is far more emptier than just two months ago (when I last played, had to stop due to money problems). Wait, my guild I'm in that started in early WoD...lets see...a few people on...look at log...mass quitting and no one is inviting anyone. I ask the guild leader, he said "most people unsubbed, a few joined other guilds or went to other servers. My subscription isn't being renewed.". And again, Orgrimmar is very empty compared to two months ago.

Well, at least I have my best WoW friends on Moon Guard.

I...wait...my best friend from back in WOTLK isn't in the guild anymore? WTF? He was last active a month ago? Why is there so many people not part of the guild anymore? I ask in guild chat, people (very few on compared to 2 months ago) shrug and just say the server is a lot less active than it used to be. And...like Tichondrius...chat is a lot less active...Stormwind is okay, more active than Tichondrius Orgrimmar, but nothing like 2 months ago.

So...I paid 15 dollars, played 10 minutes, logged off, unsubbed since all my friends left and my favorite guilds from any MMO (they were amazing) are dead and I deleted the game

15 dollars down the drain. Hope blizzard likes easy money lol

Why could't you have gotten all your friends together and "be active" or choose another server that is more active and transfer with them?

TheScavenger · March 2017

I don't guild hop, and coming from old classic MMOs like UO, EQ...I stay with a guild for life. The moon guard guild does have Discord, but since I updated to Windows 10 it won't load up and the chat doesn't work, so I wasn't able to keep in contact. But my best friend and my other moon guard friends, they haven't been active in a while or even in a guild anymore.

I dunno what happened, but in MMOs...but I stay with guild for life, never guild hop and like to make longterm friends. So when I got on super excited to talk to my friends, I find not a single one even play WoW anymore and the guilds dead. Its even harder in WoW to find a good guild. I'm not interested in being in a top guild, nor the most popular guild, or a guild focused on raiding...just a family friendly casual guild. I was in two pretty active ones (not most popular, but really active) and they were amazing.

But that isn't even all of it. I log on and find both Stormwind (Moon Guard) and Orgrimmar (Tichondrius) to be vastly less active (still sorta active, Stormwind more so)...like so many people aren't even in the cities anymore. I dunno why or what happened, but I don't want to play without my friends.

TheScavenger · March 2017

Sovrath said:

TheScavenger said:

I was super excited to start talking with my friends in WoW and interacting with my guildS.

See, I'm on two servers. Two really active (or used to be) servers. Tichondrius (cause PVE only is too boring in WoW), and Moon Guard (bad reputation, but super friendly people)

I log on to Tichondrius. Hm, that is weird...Orgrimmar is far more emptier than just two months ago (when I last played, had to stop due to money problems). Wait, my guild I'm in that started in early WoD...lets see...a few people on...look at log...mass quitting and no one is inviting anyone. I ask the guild leader, he said "most people unsubbed, a few joined other guilds or went to other servers. My subscription isn't being renewed.". And again, Orgrimmar is very empty compared to two months ago.

Well, at least I have my best WoW friends on Moon Guard.

I...wait...my best friend from back in WOTLK isn't in the guild anymore? WTF? He was last active a month ago? Why is there so many people not part of the guild anymore? I ask in guild chat, people (very few on compared to 2 months ago) shrug and just say the server is a lot less active than it used to be. And...like Tichondrius...chat is a lot less active...Stormwind is okay, more active than Tichondrius Orgrimmar, but nothing like 2 months ago.

So...I paid 15 dollars, played 10 minutes, logged off, unsubbed since all my friends left and my favorite guilds from any MMO (they were amazing) are dead and I deleted the game

15 dollars down the drain. Hope blizzard likes easy money lol

Why could't you have gotten all your friends together and "be active" or choose another server that is more active and transfer with them?

my friends were mostly on Moon Guard, but none of them even play anymore. Also I don't have money to throw at blizzard to transfer, character boost or any of that shit. I'm not in a casino throwing money away (at least in a casino there is a chance to get something lol), so I don't do that in MMOs either.

I also (like I said in my above post) do NOT guild hop, and stay with a guild for life. And I like to make long term friends. So when I find out my best friends I made IN the game (not in real life), and not a single one even plays...it completely ruined any motive I had of ever playing WoW

Grunty · March 2017

So, you leave before everyone else leaves. You come back to find other people have left. Aaannnddd, what?

TheScavenger · March 2017

Grunty said:

So, you leave before everyone else leaves. You come back to find other people have left. Aaannnddd, what?

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I said I couldn't afford to pay, I even told the guild that and they understood. What was the point of that post?

Grunty · March 2017

That you'd rather whine about the last $15 you spent on the game instead of thinking about the fun you had before you left the game.

TheScavenger · March 2017

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I was actually really looking forward to playing, hence why I spent 15 dollars. I didn't spend it just to waste money...but none of my friends or guilds are left to play it with. Made me feel very sad and not want to play at all

LoudWisper · March 2017

What ev's in cross realm guild people always on, always doing things and always having fun.

Grunty · March 2017

Woo Hoo! Thanks for all the LOLs. Just got my 250 LOL badge.

TheScavenger · March 2017

LoudWisper said:

What ev's in cross realm guild people always on, always doing things and always having fun.

Well I dunno, maybe people play MMOs different these days. But when I played Ultima Online and Everquest, people stuck with one single guild for that entire game. Maybe some guild hoppers if they just didn't fit in and wanted to find a guild that fit them...but at least in EQ, the members in that guild (also even EQ2 also) everyone pretty much stayed in one single guild that entire time. Not because other guilds sucked, but because they really felt part of that guild and became great friends with those people. I couldn't imagine playing EQ without the guild I was in

Albatroes · March 2017

Haven't personally given blizzard money for wow since they added the token and now that they have given extra uses for it, I will never personally give blizzard money again lol. WoW is ultimately only good to make money in so you can get a token and buy something else you may want from them.

TheScavenger · March 2017

Nyctelios said:

Bickering aside - It makes me really sad; things like that. In a smaller scale I had to quit playing a certain NWN2 server due my personal obligations and when I came back, really happy to be back, I found out everyone just... gone.

It goes back to what I use to say, back in the day: The game is just a place, you go back because of the ones you met in your journey. And the place is not the same without them.

I stop playing WoW when "people like me" stop playing it - and that's not the game's fault, it is actually mine. I'm the one unable to experience what it can offers. And the fact that it happened to me what happened to you. Logged on the rp server I played (can't remember the name), everyone was gone, I met a random and asked something and he started to "talk in memes" like a 8 years old... and then another... and another.

I also dislike Guild hopping and that's why I gave up on the only thing keeping me playing Gw2: The World versus World. I'm not shitting you: People don't stay on a guild for over 2 or 3 days. Sometimes they hop servers each week or month, it's annoying as hell.

yeah, here is someone gets the point of the post. Really I play MMOs for the friends I make in the game, sometimes I contact them outside of the game, sometimes not. WoW is still a lot of fun, but like you said in part of the post..."The game is just a place, you go back because of the ones you met in your journey. And the place is not the same without them.". That is how I exactly felt when I logged in and saw no one I was friends with was playing. It wasn't the same at all.

Sure I guess I could have made new friends, but it isn't the same. The reason I had such a good experience before I couldn't afford paying, that good experience WAS because my friends and guild. Sure the game itself helps with that, since I do find WoW fun...but MMOs are all about the friendships and stuff you make.

Xiaoki · March 2017

TheScavenger said:

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I was actually really looking forward to playing, hence why I spent 15 dollars. I didn't spend it just to waste money...but none of my friends or guilds are left to play it with. Made me feel very sad and not want to play at all

Then you didnt actually want to play the game at all, you just wanted to socialize.

If you really wanted to the game then you would play even without your friends, but since none of your friends are currently you say you "wasted" money.

Instead of bashing WoW and Blizzard for no reason why dont you talk to your friends through texting or Face Time or something like that, those dont cost $15 a month to do what you really wanted to do.

TheScavenger · March 2017

Xiaoki said:

TheScavenger said:

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I was actually really looking forward to playing, hence why I spent 15 dollars. I didn't spend it just to waste money...but none of my friends or guilds are left to play it with. Made me feel very sad and not want to play at all

Then you didnt actually want to play the game at all, you just wanted to socialize.

If you really wanted to the game then you would play even without your friends, but since none of your friends are currently you say you "wasted" money.

Instead of bashing WoW and Blizzard for no reason why dont you talk to your friends through texting or Face Time or something like that, those dont cost $15 a month to do what you really wanted to do.

What do you do in an MMO that is NOT socializing? Or are you playing it like a singleplayer game or something?

Cause MMOs are about making friends, socializing with people and grouping and what not. Well at least old MMOs were...a lot are mostly solo focused now till endgame lol. And sometimes even endgame is soloable these days

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And I should add. Its not just about making friends, but the friends you MAKE and the guilds you are with. But these days, it seems its all about getting the best items, guild hopping, no care at all for other people but to make your own self better. But for me, MMOs are to socialize and have life long friends. Like how it was back in EQ1, UO and what not

TheScavenger · March 2017

Robokapp said:

that's why I play on Sargeras.

yeah I've heard that was a really good server. My friend was on it during WoD before he stopped playing (an actual friend in real life, not just in-game), and he had a lot of good things to say about it. Maybe I should just reinstall, hop back on and check out the server.

Transfer cosmetic pets to it, sell on AH and make some starting gold :P

TheScavenger · March 2017

So WoW is installing again, already almost playable

I'm really looking forward to checking out Sargeras, I forgot my friend gave it a lot of praise back in WoD. But I was on moon guard, then I kinda forgot about it.

Thanks Robokapp

Wizardry · March 2017

I know shallow minded people think we just hate on Wow but i will say something not just Wow but ALL or at least 99% of the mmorpg's
They have no real longevity and to think the very shallow game play most offer at end game and people still login to play that is sad.
So i assume the OP played a lot of pvp to keep interested,that's fine but pvp in these games is simply a mod,like an arena or battlegrounds or some kind of instance removed from the actual game.I could say WHY pay money to in this case Blizzard just for pvp then,well obviously because gamer's hate to feel they just throw away all that hard work and gear/items they achieved over the years.
To that i simply say,that players need to let go of virtual items they will never hold,touch or own,if the game is not offering a COMPLETE fun game anymore and just some instances,i say it is time to leave the game.
Speaking from my own experience,i got that longevity out of FFXI because of it's unique design using sub classes ,thereby offering years of character building and using the ENTIRE game to do it.I no longer play FFXI,i got that longevity,had fun but moved on,not one bit afraid to let go of all those items i accumulated.

My only surprise is how long players remained in Wow to play some end game instances,i suppose it was the friends that kept them there "good reason" because i can't see it being the game.

Sadly i do not see one single game incoming that offers longevity,most of these games offer a few weeks ,then players are bored and move on.What i see is nothing but end game grinding,i have no idea how people find end game fun.I feel i know the answer,very shallow minded gamer's that get all excited about killing some Boss for loot.I want more from my game than a Boss and his loot drops.

BruceYee · March 2017

It's impressive that what you just experienced did happen sooner. My servers have been dead for many years and all my friends quit a long time ago.

Loke666 · March 2017

Xiaoki said:
Then you didnt actually want to play the game at all, you just wanted to socialize.

If you really wanted to the game then you would play even without your friends, but since none of your friends are currently you say you "wasted" money.

Instead of bashing WoW and Blizzard for no reason why dont you talk to your friends through texting or Face Time or something like that, those dont cost $15 a month to do what you really wanted to do.

Uhm, socializing is a huge part of MMOs. Yeah, OP could join a new guild and learn to know new people but the reason to play Wow instead of another MMO have a lot to do with who you play it with.

And since OP seems to have limited budget there are far cheaper alternatives that have fun gameplay as well. GW2 and BDO both makes sense.

I can understand OP, it is always sad when a guild splits up and people leave in large numbers. There are more to a MMO then who you play it with but a good guild do make any MMO far more fun while a bad guild could make any game boring.

My advice to OP is to try to find out if your guildies moved on together to another game, then you can always join them in that game instead.

Jakobmiller · March 2017

Guilds makes MMOs to me as well. Finding good once is difficult these days..

Well, the hardest part is to first find a good MMO.

Dragnelus · March 2017

Why dont you got best friends on, fb, discord, ts, phone skype etc?

And ofc battle.net... Just go log into battle net go to friends, ask hey are you still playing wow, or on which server, maybe he went to another server.

Ishkal · March 2017

Well it's pretty simple WoW is a bad MMO that keeps getting worse. I mean come on what game continues to remove content/abilities/skills and thinks that is progress. Vanilla and in it's time which was pretty much up until half way through lich king it rocked and WAS awesome, but now people are chasing that old feeling that isn't coming back. Side note only reason WoW was king at all was due to SWG pulling NGE and UO pulling UO2 or else it wouldn't have made it past burning crusade. Pretty much was the only fish in the pond for awhile. Every expansion there are a ton of us that say don't do it, don't believe the hype it will be dead in a month or two and with out fail WoW pulls off the same con every time

gervaise1 · March 2017

TheScavenger said:

So WoW is installing again, already almost playable

I'm really looking forward to checking out Sargeras, I forgot my friend gave it a lot of praise back in WoD. But I was on moon guard, then I kinda forgot about it.

Thanks Robokapp

I would suggest you check out guild & server activity online first - is it really "active". Otherwise I forsee a post in a months time along the lines of "that was a waste of $15".

As others have said - and I am sure you know - it is hard to get a "good guild". And on the flip side it takes a while for the guild to get to know you. And clearly your connection with WoW was with your guilds and not the game.

And maybe consider other games as you will be starting again on the guild front. Not sure what else you have played but things like e.g. GW2 and ESO can be picked up for "about $15" both have non-PVE (you would want a PvP guild) and no subscription. LotR has non-PVE as well but you have to subscribe for monster play. Basically something else you haven't played so that whilst you are searching for a "good guild" you at least have "game stuff" that you haven't done a zillion times already to do.

Multi-game guilds might be something to look at as well. Guilds that play more than one game and stay in touch outside of any single game as a result.

If you resub and get sorted - excellent. I do worry however that - even if you don't start another thread - you will end up feeling that you have wasted another $15.

kitarad · March 2017

I was in this guild that belonged to many games and they also almost always play new games.

The way to keep in touch with them was through their website. This way you always know what games they are playing and which ones they have left. You can go to the forum and post on the game you want to start playing again and those who are still playing will respond. This way you don't have to resub and waste any money to find out who is still playing.

In future I suggest you use this method to avoid losing any funds you rather not lose.

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