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I Wanted Mass Effect 4 But Got Something Better - Mass Effect: Andromeda Review - MMORPG.com

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 13,109
    Shelassa said:

    One review I think specifically mentioned the bottle thing and said that there wasn't anything like that in Andromeda. Now reading your writeup, I'm wondering if there's some chain dialogue or actions that they missed that you experienced?
    There are multiple personal quests for each party-member and some for Tempest crew staff that unlock as you progress through the plot points in the story and get to know your companions better. Some of them are touching, some are goofy, but they're worth it. 

    Additionally, those quests trigger when you actually speak to your party-members while aboard the Tempest so, perhaps, someone not as keen on chatting things up as I am could have missed them. 
    I already had a couple of beers with Liam and I'm not even 7 hours in. Suvi also already told me she wants to keep things professional... maybe I should have waited till at least the second time I talked to her? :)

    All those little conversations and interactions are what ME games are all about for me. Those side stories are often better than the main quests.
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  • MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,241
  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,821
    SBFord said:
    Another not sponsored review
    Prove it or stop posting. It's a ridiculous claim.
    I wonder, I mean we are both grown ups. How would one prove such claim ?
    I mean what you as grown up suggest ? ( I understand that some kids that frequent this site have no concept of real world could bring up such suggestion )

    Should I somehow subpoena mmorpg.com financial data to find bill for this article ?
    Or maybe i should somehow put you under oath to talk candidly about the deal for this article ?

    What we have here is my word against yours. Yet your is less valuable because you stand to gain monetary compensation for the article, where I have nothing to gain or lose.


    But what I can do is tell you  on what I base my claim.

    1.Fact that mmorpg.com is increasingly posting very positive reviews for money grabbing scheme games (if they can even be called games and not casinos)

    2.Fact that over 40 reviews have been published up to date for MEA, and none of them represents it in very positive light.

    I just connect the dots : A site known for payed reviews posts very positive review for generally badly reviewed game.





  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,567
    edited March 2017
    Without being filed under the witch hunter heading I have to say that from the very first demo I saw I found the models and animations off-putting. There's just something wrong about them, the movement and the fact that they look ever so slightly deformed.

    The first thing to pop into my mind was "why are they bow legged?" Couple that with the facial expressions reminiscent of a slack jawed, mouth breathing window licker and I think I can understand the criticism being levelled against the game from people who find that kind of thing important.

    Some won't be bothered by it at all and others will find it destroys immersion. Regardless of whether or not this was also the case in other games, should we really accept such poor standards just because this game has "Mass Effect" in it's title?

    Shouldn't that demand a higher standard seeing as it's one of the most popular franchises ever? Why is it ok to let stuff like this slide just because it was the same in Fallout 4 or DA:I? It's not ok. We know they can do better.

    Is it game breaking? Not really. Is it a mountain over a molehill? Probably. Is it the best possible game the devs could have made? Sadly, no it isn't, or these things wouldn't be getting so much attention. Should we expect more from devs? You're God damned fucking right we should for the price they ask!
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,167
    edited March 2017



    SBFord said:



    Another not sponsored review


    Prove it or stop posting. It's a ridiculous claim.


    I wonder, I mean we are both grown ups. How would one prove such claim ?
    I mean what you as grown up suggest ? ( I understand that some kids that frequent this site have no concept of real world could bring up such suggestion )

    Should I somehow subpoena mmorpg.com financial data to find bill for this article ?
    Or maybe i should somehow put you under oath to talk candidly about the deal for this article ?

    What we have here is my word against yours. Yet your is less valuable because you stand to gain monetary compensation for the article, where I have nothing to gain or lose.


    But what I can do is tell you  on what I base my claim.

    1.Fact that mmorpg.com is increasingly posting very positive reviews for money grabbing scheme games (if they can even be called games and not casinos)

    2.Fact that over 40 reviews have been published up to date for MEA, and none of them represents it in very positive light.

    I just connect the dots : A site known for payed reviews posts very positive review for generally badly reviewed game.






    The site has been rather up front about sponsored posts. The review in this case is from a fan of a franchise and studio so it is going to be bias. Not the most professional review this site has ever had,

     "Now comes the point I’m surprised to having to address. The Internet’s biggest gripe with the game and the reason for petty witch-hunts: animation. Despite what you might have heard up to now, it is not that bad. Really. Occasionally, there might be a slightly weird facial expression or a stiff look another character gives you, but mostly it is people making a mountain out of molehill. In addition, let me be frank here: if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong."

    Shouldn't have been said and this is where I stopped reading.
  • LobotomistLobotomist Member RarePosts: 5,821
    Aori said:



    SBFord said:



    Another not sponsored review


    Prove it or stop posting. It's a ridiculous claim.


    I wonder, I mean we are both grown ups. How would one prove such claim ?
    I mean what you as grown up suggest ? ( I understand that some kids that frequent this site have no concept of real world could bring up such suggestion )

    Should I somehow subpoena mmorpg.com financial data to find bill for this article ?
    Or maybe i should somehow put you under oath to talk candidly about the deal for this article ?

    What we have here is my word against yours. Yet your is less valuable because you stand to gain monetary compensation for the article, where I have nothing to gain or lose.


    But what I can do is tell you  on what I base my claim.

    1.Fact that mmorpg.com is increasingly posting very positive reviews for money grabbing scheme games (if they can even be called games and not casinos)

    2.Fact that over 40 reviews have been published up to date for MEA, and none of them represents it in very positive light.

    I just connect the dots : A site known for payed reviews posts very positive review for generally badly reviewed game.






    The site has been rather up front about sponsored posts. The review in this case is from a fan of a franchise and studio so it is going to be bias. Not the most professional review this site has ever had,

     "Now comes the point I’m surprised to having to address. The Internet’s biggest gripe with the game and the reason for petty witch-hunts: animation. Despite what you might have heard up to now, it is not that bad. Really. Occasionally, there might be a slightly weird facial expression or a stiff look another character gives you, but mostly it is people making a mountain out of molehill. In addition, let me be frank here: if you play(ed) Mass Effect and / or Dragon Age for graphics, you’re doing it wrong."

    Shouldn't have been said and this is where I stopped reading.
    Fair enough.

    Shame that site is getting bad reputation that makes one automatically suspicious



  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,243
    It will be a good game and a game worthy of [ 70 , 80 ] score. You know.

    I'll most likely wait for a sale. I am not terribly enthused by (most anything) ME, so...
  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,418
    I have not yet got my 1070 GTX, bloody Amazon.it is not dropping the freaking price the minute I do I will be all over this like white on rice.

    I have avoided reviews and stuff for fear of spoilers but I am so excited.
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  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member RarePosts: 6,262
    edited March 2017
    I think this review summed it up pretty much and why it will be the first ME game I will not pick up:
    http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14961928/mass-effect-andromeda-review-xbox-ps4-pc

    It's basically a Dragon Age: Inquisition in space, but then even worse. :-/

    I loved the first 4-5 hours or so of DA:I, but then when you got your castle, the whole story just collapsed and fell flat and the game just turned into a boring quest grind.

    So far, what I have seen, Mass Effect 4 seems to be like that right out of the gate, filled with unimaginative, boring and uninspired missions with long tedious timesinks.

    Thanks, but no thanks.

    I'm currently completely absorbed in Zelda: Breath of the Wild ( seriously one of the best games I've played in a long long time! ) and still have Horizon:Zero Dawn loaded into the PS4 untouched.
    So eventhough I am a hug fun of the ME trilogy, I somehow can't be bothered by ME:Adromeda.
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    SBFord said:
    Another not sponsored review
    Prove it or stop posting. It's a ridiculous claim.
    I wonder, I mean we are both grown ups. How would one prove such claim ?
    I mean what you as grown up suggest ? ( I understand that some kids that frequent this site have no concept of real world could bring up such suggestion )

    Should I somehow subpoena mmorpg.com financial data to find bill for this article ?
    Or maybe i should somehow put you under oath to talk candidly about the deal for this article ?

    What we have here is my word against yours. Yet your is less valuable because you stand to gain monetary compensation for the article, where I have nothing to gain or lose.


    But what I can do is tell you  on what I base my claim.

    1.Fact that mmorpg.com is increasingly posting very positive reviews for money grabbing scheme games (if they can even be called games and not casinos)

    2.Fact that over 40 reviews have been published up to date for MEA, and none of them represents it in very positive light.

    I just connect the dots : A site known for payed reviews posts very positive review for generally badly reviewed game.

    Please. How is asking you to provide proof that this is a paid review being "childish"? In any court in the world, the burden of proof rests on the accuser, not the accused. I think we know into which role this site and you fit. If you allege these things, then the onus resides with you to provide more than conjecture and "connecting the dots" speculation. 

    This accusation has been launched at the site thousands of times over its life and never proven. Don't like the review, tell us why without resorting to baseless attacks against a writer and a site that you simply disagree with.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 477

    Shelassa said:


    josko9 said:

    I have no idea why is there so much hate for Bioware, is it just because they are with EA now? Because honestly all of their games were great, no exceptions. Even the latest DA:Inqusition, which was heavily hated on the internet won quite a lot of GOTY awards.



    It seems to be quite fashionable to be hating on BioWare and Blizzard, among others. Any time the companies in question release a new update / DLC / expansion / game the cycle of hate starts anew. Sadly, unlike Reapers, it takes far less than 50,000 years to re-occur. 


    Iselin said:

    And yes, the facial animations and especially the eyes are occasionally off but it isn't the huge deal some are making it out to be.


    I agree with every word. I suppose I would have understood the huge hype people have over animations if previous BioWare games were known to have an amazing quality of them, and Andromeda was a huge let down in that department. But that obviously is not the case. 



    This is utter nonsense. I see some rubbish come out of the "staff" here at MMORPG, but this review - and your "it's fashionable to hate" angle - have taken the cake. Instead of dealing with the actual and reasonable criticisms levied by not just fanboys and angry gamers, but many, many critics, you attack the individuals behind those criticisms. Good show. Makes you look entirely reasonable and professional.

    In fact, this write up is anomalous. Every other write up I've read, every other review I've seen, has come to the opposite conclusions to this one. The general consensus is: Mass Effect Andromeda is an average game with bad writing and lots of average, boring stuff to do. And that's BEFORE you consider the animation rigging. Scapegoating that animation as the reason the game has received so much hate? Poor form. Makes you look like the petty ones.
  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,079


    I think this review tells it all (at least for me). I'll wait for a $20 sale or 2nd hand copy for PS4 (which should not take too long...)

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  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 477

    SBFord said:

    Please. How is asking you to provide proof that this is a paid review being "childish"? In any court in the world, the burden of proof rests on the accuser, not the accused. I think we know into which role this site and you fit. If you allege these things, then the onus resides with you to provide more than conjecture and "connecting the dots" speculation. 

    This accusation has been launched at the site thousands of times over its life and never proven. Don't like the review, tell us why without resorting to baseless attacks against a writer and a site that you simply disagree with.


    If you were in court for this sort of thing, the courts could demand you present financial information or other assets in order to investigate the claim.

    One of two things is going on here; 1) you've been incentivised either indirectly or directly to write a misleading review, or 2) this site is distinctly lacking in professionalism and is, at best, a cynical attempt to cash in. Given the overall quality of the content and the site itself, as well as the endless failed offshoot ventures that the staff here have tried to push, I'm gonna go with "cynical attempt to cash in, lacking in professionalism". The idea that any of you on the MMORPG team possess the suave or smarts to pull of a cash-for-conversions scam on this scale is laughable.
  • dotdotdashdotdotdash Member UncommonPosts: 477


    The animation thing is understandable - but why are we OK with Fallout 4 and Dragon Age's same issue and suddenly it's a problem with MEA?



    Why are "WE"? I wasn't, and many weren't; it was you, and other critics, that cynically overlooked the issues with Fallout 4, TES, DA, etc, ( and many other games ) to push your hyped narrative. And that's fine, but there was no "we" about it.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,832
    A review of any art form is purely opinion. To say a site is paid or has some agenda other than to give their opinion is ridiculous. This site and it's staff have no known history of shady dealings. Every 'sponsored' article is properly labelled as such.
    Disagree with your logic. Not your hate. 

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  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member RarePosts: 6,262
    edited March 2017
    cheyane said:
    I have not yet got my 1070 GTX, bloody Amazon.it is not dropping the freaking price the minute I do I will be all over this like white on rice.

    I have avoided reviews and stuff for fear of spoilers but I am so excited.

    Well in all honesty, I think for the first time you should. I am a diehard ME fan and played the trilogy several times over, but I will not be picking up this one.

    Everything I have seen and read so far all points to a disappointing similar conclusion:

    A rushed, unfinished, unpolished game with tons and tons of unimaginative side missions dumped into the game as filler content.

    Thanks, but no thanks. After going through this in DA:I (never managed to finish it due to sheer boredom and tedium)..... I'm done with that.

    After being completely immersed into Zelda: Breath of the Wild at the moment. The sheer size and scope of this game, with all the attention to detail, every quest (main and side) handcrafted with passion. The atmosphere, characters. Etc. Etc.
    Nintendo has really set the bar high now in the RPG genre and it will be very hard to beat.

  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,341

    SBFord said:

    Please. How is asking you to provide proof that this is a paid review being "childish"? In any court in the world, the burden of proof rests on the accuser, not the accused. I think we know into which role this site and you fit. If you allege these things, then the onus resides with you to provide more than conjecture and "connecting the dots" speculation. 

    This accusation has been launched at the site thousands of times over its life and never proven. Don't like the review, tell us why without resorting to baseless attacks against a writer and a site that you simply disagree with.
    If you were in court for this sort of thing, the courts could demand you present financial information or other assets in order to investigate the claim.

    One of two things is going on here; 1) you've been incentivised either indirectly or directly to write a misleading review, or 2) this site is distinctly lacking in professionalism and is, at best, a cynical attempt to cash in. Given the overall quality of the content and the site itself, as well as the endless failed offshoot ventures that the staff here have tried to push, I'm gonna go with "cynical attempt to cash in, lacking in professionalism". The idea that any of you on the MMORPG team possess the suave or smarts to pull of a cash-for-conversions scam on this scale is laughable.

    There;s always the third option. There is no accounting for taste.
    Reviews are opinions, some people give more or less weight to things than other people so trying to find some sort of middle ground in that so the review can be fair to everyone would be a nightmare.
    @SBFord likes the game, the things that might bother you or I do not appear to rate so highly on her radar. That's perfectly acceptable, more than acceptable.




  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member RarePosts: 6,262
    edited March 2017
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D

    Come again? http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14961928/mass-effect-andromeda-review-xbox-ps4-pc

    You don't have to look very hard to find some credible reviews that all come to this similar conclusion.
    And the gameplay videos I have seen so far pretty much confirm this consensus.

    I am not a hater. In fact, I am a diehard ME fan that has played the trilogy several times over (and will do so again in future), but I take a pass on this one.

    Bioware is just not the same as it used to be. They lost too many good people over the years and EA's ruthless production deadlines really ruined many games out of the gate.

    There are just too many other good games to play right now ( Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Horizon: Zero Dawn) that just blows ME:Adromeda out of the water. No contest.

    The animation problems are just one fraction of the games myriad of problems and issues! But nonetheless a clear indicator of how this game has been rushed out of the gate unfinished and with shockingly lack of polish!
  • ShelassaShelassa MMORPG.COM Staff UncommonPosts: 616
    Instead of dealing with the actual and reasonable criticisms levied by not just fanboys and angry gamers, but many, many critics, you attack the individuals behind those criticisms. Good show. Makes you look entirely reasonable and professional.
    We speak of different things. Reasonable criticism of any sort is entirely okay, just like, for example, your message. I respect your opinion. 

    What I spoke of, however, was people going out of their way to harass a person who did not have anything to do with the reason they were angry in the first place. That is not "just an opinion". That is not "reasonable criticism". That is hate, unfounded and petty. 
  • AlomarAlomar Member RarePosts: 1,190
    Are these professional staff members or fanboi's up in here? lol

    It looks alright, the criticisms are of features I'd expect to be fleshed out but nothing game breaking or too off-putting for fans of the IP to be turned away by. I'm just not very excited about anything Bioware does anymore after being disappointed for 4-5 titles in a row. I'll pick this up for 10-20%+ off in 6 months or more and avoid the dlc milking.
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  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,167
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    It didn't help the review in this case was a bit hostile towards the readers.

    I always take reviews as personal opinions, professional or otherwise. The way I judge professionalism is how the opinion is presented. I rarely read reviews, however for games I'm on the fence about I do my fair bit of research. For games I'm personally hyped for I'll get it regardless, like DoW3, you can tell me it is the biggest steaming pile of crap, I'm getting that shit and rolling in it. 
  • squlltaxsqulltax Member UncommonPosts: 22
    edited March 2017
    I guess Mass Effect is sponsoring some new reviews.
    In economy there is a term 'Too big to fail' - which says that ppl tend to not belive sth good and costly can fail. Well, some AAA titles do fail, and are bad. Mass Effect;A I am looking at you.
  • ElminzterElminzter Member UncommonPosts: 281
    edited March 2017
    SBFord said:
    What I find funny is that when "professional reviewers" rate a game highly but the gamer population doesn't, it's pitchforks and torches because they're all shills.

    When reviewers pan a game, it's sunshine and roses and "See? They know what they're talking about". 

    :D
    its actually simple, professional reviewers get paid, whilst gamers paid for the privilage to play these games and what we have seen most professional reviews are questionable as it tend to ignore the basic things most gamers look for.

    in this case there's so many glaring cons how can it even get a good or ok review???

    my 2 cents
    Post edited by Elminzter on
  • KalebGraysonKalebGrayson Member RarePosts: 430
    It's not that I think it's fashionable to be negative towards Bioware or Blizzard. I am an unsatisfied customer with Blizzard (WoW) and Bioware (SWToR). I personally dislike design changes (nerfs) those companies have done in both of those games. It makes me actively root against them and skeptical of anything they produce (MEA, Overwatch). I won't support them by purchasing their products.
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