For those not familiar, I am a conscientious objector to the company on the basis or principle.
I'm not trying to tell you how to spend your money. I'm warning, from my educated understanding of the project, this is a fleecing of the gaming community, and your money is better spent elsewhere.
Many long-term contributors to the project have become wise to the nefarious practices and are seeking refunds.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/Many long-term contributors who are not yet seeking refunds are in a process of open rebellion on the official forum.
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/374420/lets-talk-about-3-0-status/p6The most recent bold-faced lie from the CIG hierarchy was from the fall, when it was stated they "hoped to have 3.0 alpha by the end of the year". This was said as an intentional falsehood to garner additional funding from instilling false hope. The real timeline is closer to late 2017. There's zero way this was not fully known when the statement was made.
The most recent lackluster release of a proof-of-concept was the fps shooter module "Star Marine",
two years later than promised, easily exploitable for client-side code, simplistic and unfun, lacking a majority of promised features.
If you're new to this project, you deserve to be warned of the developers' collective ineptitude and tall tales before you make a monetary commitment.
If you're not new to the project, you owe it to yourself a second consideration of the gaslighting, the historical revisionist culture in which you've found yourself immersed.
CIG has enough money, now well over twice what they said they needed, to do what they said they were going to do.
It's time they deliver, no more advertising, no more empty words, no more nonsense.
Tell CIG
today you want a finished product before you give them another cent. This is only to your benefit.
Thanks for listening.
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Well, judging from how cash continues to flow in either a great many do not, or those who do continue to keep the faith.
Im my case I haven't contributed to "the cause" and won't until post launch.
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I suggest ...
if you want to check it out, do it for free during one of the Free Fly Events. If you like it and/or want to support the development of a crowdfunding space-sim project ... go for it.
if you are not sure if this is the game for you, wait until it is finished and decide at that point.
Have fun
Any evidence that it was a lie (aka they knew at that time that they were saying something false)?
Trying to imply a mass exodus is underway, "OMG many people getting refunds and revolting"; this feels more like fear mongering people into not buying SC and if they did, to get it refunded.
Nope, this is "my opinion is the fact" type of thread. From that to actually claim something to a proven truth, nope.
Yep ... another FUD thread ... like the other 30 before it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt
Again aiming for 19 pages of posts ?
Have fun
If Roberts was honestly convinced that 3.0 would arrive before the end of last year then those key elements would be finished or atleast, close to being finished. Instead we're hearing they're at a very early design stage... and this is 7 months after his announcement.
But yeah, vast majority likely does not even care...
The early at design is another one, there's bits on economy that show themselves early, but several other features as cargo where already shown footage of.
I don't understand how it's not common sense. Say there are a few people looking to get your funding, I tell you I can show you a result within a couple months. You very well may trust this and fund me, but five months later, three months past my presented date, that delivery is still not only "months away" but given no new definite schedule.
I don't like being treated this way. Neither should you. These are not our family members or friends to whom we might grant some amount of such leeway. These are supposed to be professional people who are operating a for-profit enterprise.
"These things take time, game delivery is a process."
YES! a process people are paying them to professionally navigate! The only thing professional in the practice of false promising is con-artistry. Are these the people who even can deliver such a promised finished product? From behavior like this, why aren't we questioning?
You're forgiving too much to believe for one moment it's acceptable.
Tell them no more. I don't want to see the product rushed out the door. If it take 2 years, fine. But use the resources given, the resources which are literally two times what was asked to perform the function, and get it done.
Give them no more money, hold them to their words.
Anyway... I partially agree with OP. Try the free weekend; if you like it then buy the cheapest package available. Do not spend retarded amounts of money on ships like some sex addict at the local Blow-Mart. That shit needs to stop.
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I mean, they said the exact same thing about all the previous releases - including 2.0 and Star Marine.
CR/CIG also "lied" about their release dates - and yet they're now released.
So, I'm struggling to see the argument here.
CR "lied" about HOPING to get 3.0 by the end of year. Ok, let's assume this is true - just like he "lied" about all those other missed release dates.
What's the problem if 3.0 is eventually released?
Then what you'll get is nothing.
That, also, should not be hard to understand.
Further, SM (Star Marine) is a fragment of what was ever promised, or if you want to say proposed I can run with that, too.
I really shouldn't be going round and round like this. I am helping sensible people make a sensible decision. If it's good when it releases, i.e. release state, i.e. a product in a state one would consider a retail product, then get it. For now, they have enough money, they've made enough empty promises. They should make do with what they have.
After the other day one would think you would have learned a lesson in telling people they are flat out wrong.
If you want evidence then ask for it instead of this awful attitude you take via comments like "Keep it simple: There is no evidence side of one's opinion."
In the real world, it's the obvious result of complex software development being very unpredictable - and Chris Roberts being overly optimistic.
Please support how Star Marine was ever supposed to be released in a completed form. I'd love to see your source for that
No, you're spreading your own delusional and ignorant position as misinformation.
That's not quite the same thing.
However, none of this changes my point.
Again, if 3.0 is going to be released - then why shouldn't we support it, if we want it?
I really would like to understand.
When you're looking at Star Marine, you're looking at the musings and failings of a handful of amateurs playing about with a "store-bought" engine from Amazon, like a 1.99 shooter off Steam.
Have you no taste in the genre? Must you be so blindly complicit?
Why?
And here you go yet again, just 2 posts later with the "You're wrong" attitude, why can you not be a little bit more respectful and civil?
Star Marine was meant to be technical like ARMA, it was supposed to feature so much more than what has been delivered, much deeper health/medical mechanics, dragging of members to safety, all sorts of cover mechanics, a much larger range of weaponry, that SATA Ball thing and many many more features.
So yes, it is indeed a fragment of what was originally claimed would arrive with Star Marine.
Most of what SM is today, is what SM was always meant to be, one arena match-based FPS shooter, if your opinion is what is released is a faction of what they shown it to be, I'll disagree.
So no, I disagree with your opinion that it is. What they shown on the first SM Demo is by big majority all there, on the released SM laid upon the alpha.
I don't think you even care about information, you just want to jump on opposing comments and demand that they are wrong as a way of stopping people from thinking they might actually be right.
Even if I deliver examples you will claim some other crap to avoid admitting that you were actually wrong and I am right.
There are several scenarios that could have led to the same outcome, you don't get to nitpick one of them and call it the somehow proven truth. You and anyone else gets however, to declare such as their opinion of it...