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  • Leon1eLeon1e Member UncommonPosts: 791
    edited March 2017
    I earn more than my boyfriend. It's what you study for people. All dentists charge similar, regardless of gender. Same for surgeons. If most women search for jobs that pay for qualification and not good looks, we wouldn't be here. In this day and age there are LOADS of corporations that pay based on qualification. 

    Of course you don't have to be passive about it either. I know it's hard for most women to make demands, it's not in our nature I guess, but it's the world we live in. If you don't find for something, you likely won't get it.

    If we ever marry and have children, probably he'll be the one staying home. 
  • GrakulenGrakulen Staff WriterMMORPG.COM Staff LegendaryPosts: 893
    I'm not trying to beat anyone over the head about it. Just don't depend on memes and 15 second youtube clips for your info. Heck don't depend on wikis either. Make sure to dive into the attributions. 
  • DraemosDraemos Member UncommonPosts: 1,518
    If men took a day off the world would burn, men don't even have that luxury.  Is that what they are trying to bring attention to?  This little stunt seems counterintuitive for women
  • joxxer22joxxer22 Member UncommonPosts: 9
    One dollar equals one dollar. If a person can make me more money than another one they get the job. And if both people are smart they don't look between the legs to see what sex is there. Inequality in a stupid persons business still exist. Who gives a dam for that business will be gone soon.  For many it seems they still wish, by choice, to live in the past. There will always be ignorance in the world but lets just expect it to become obsolete and enjoy each day. This debate has been over for the educated "Man" for fifty years now.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,389
    edited March 2017
    Nilden said:
    DMKano said:

    while west has equal rights - just how equal are they in reality?

    I think we still have ways to go.
    Oh really? Name a single right given by law in Canada or the USA that women don't have.
    The right to Saturday morning tee times on most US golf courses. ;)

    Guess that's not a law though, but it is a reality.


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  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,260
    Grakulen said:
    If you're trying to say we're inequal, the first paragraph does a pretty good job of saying otherwise. At best it's an issue that's heavily debated and not at all agreed upon. At worst (for your inequality argument), there's little to no inequality at all.

    Here's that paragraph:

    The average woman's unadjusted annual salary has been cited as 78%[2] to 82%[3] of that of the average man's. However, after adjusting for choices made by male and female workers in college major, occupation, working hours, and parental leave, multiple studies find that pay rates between males and females varied by 5–6.6% or, females earning 94 cents to every dollar earned by their male counterparts. The remaining 6% of the gap has been speculated to originate from deficiency in salary negotiation skills and gender discrimination.

    As a woman, I believe this is the most likely scenario. Looking at job choices women make (HR, marketing, nurses, teachers), the unwillingness to negotiate salaries, and hours worked (not tons of overtime), along with things like time off for children - I think that explains the inequality fairly well. How many women are doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers? Not many. Those careers require a lot of work and education, and they payoff big league for a reason. My dad and brother are in those careers (well my Dad is retired) and they work absolutely insane hours with lots of stress. I remember growing up as a kid with a father that routinely left the house early enough to be at work by 7 or 7:30 am, and wasn't home until 6 or 7 at night. His work hours only got better once he earned partnership and I was a teenager. Despite living close to my brother and being quite close friends, I never see him because of his work hours. Often not even on holidays or birthdays. I see his wife a lot more. I don't think a lot of people want that. And attorneys? I work at a massive law firm - yes with plenty of women - and the hours and stress these people work is insane. It feels like some of these attorneys basically just live here. They arrive before I do and stay much later than I do. I've heard phone conversations where their wives are begging them to come home and stop working.

    If you want to make the big bucks anywhere as a woman, you have that opportunity in the Western world and that's great. But you need to realize the men in those positions work really, really hard for it, so if you want to be their equal, you need to do so as well. And the many women in my company who are in top level management positions (one of which is the head of the company) have given up a lot for that - working insane hours, continuing to work at home late and on vacations, some being bicoastal, never seeing their children, requiring tough degrees and work history.  

    I'll be the first to admit that as a woman, I know a lot aren't willing to do those things needed to get to that position. I wouldn't want to. Men and women are different and we can't change that. I want to celebrate our differences. We are biologically and psychologically different for a reason and I love those differences in both men and women. I don't want to be the same. I'll be the first to admit that when I have children one day, I'd love nothing more than to stay at home and take care of them. Sadly I'm not rich enough to do that, so I'll continue going to my job and doing well, with no desire to climb too high up the ladder, because the time I spend outside of work is far more important to me than the time I spend at work. I know some men feel the same way, but they are willing to work harder to earn that money for their family and that's a biological difference that makes many want to do that. Or they can choose to sta  home to take care of the kids, and I know someone who chose that. Many women are biologically programmed to want to be home with the family. That's not a bad thing. And those women who choose to work harder and earn more? Well they can do that in the Western world, so what are they fighting for?

    We have equal rights already and I think we need to acknowledge the real feminists of the past that earned those rights for us. Not these left wing nut jobs that are fighting for all the wrong things these days. Let's instead celebrate that we are all wonderfully different and still enjoy the same rights, and let's make sure we don't lose sight of that, lest our society continues to change in radically frightening ways.

    Meanwhile in protest of the idiocy of today, I'm going to celebrate all the things I love about men.

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 22,277
    Grakulen said:
    I'm not trying to beat anyone over the head about it. Just don't depend on memes and 15 second youtube clips for your info. Heck don't depend on wikis either. Make sure to dive into the attributions. 

    most are not interested in objective truth, as there is a risk of questioning your own core assumptions and beliefs. People dislike finding out that they thought wrong.

    people would much rather find things that validate their current position, as its very comforting to be reassured and validated, even if whats being validated is complete bullshit.


  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 17,084
    edited March 2017
    It is sort of very much like a counter intuitive day.

    By having a international women's day implies that they have been mistreated as inferiors and need to be recognized.SO rather than a day to recognize the opposite sex which we should already acknowledge,we should fix the stereotypes and quit treating women as inferior.

    Creating a day like this does NOT fix the problem but seems to more or less try to hide the problem or give a fake impression the male race is noticing women as equals.It is like some males in government sat around and said "if we just give them a national day,we keep them quiet".

    I would say on average once a week i still see numbers floating around that imply women are still treated as inferiors with less pay for similar jobs to simply NOT having the same authoritative jobs as the males.

    Look no further than this site,predominantly run by males with every owner also being male,so yeah this site is very typical of the status quo in the world.


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  • ConstantineMerusConstantineMerus Member EpicPosts: 2,693
    Adding to the divide. As long as you address people by their sex, there will be sexism. As long as you address them by their race, there will be racism. And as long as you address them by their religion, there will be crusades and jihads fucking up the planet.

    Whoever in my company thought he/she needed to take a day off to show me he/she is important either is an idiot or thinks I am an idiot. And will be fired. Any day, any gender.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 21,642
    Keep it civil, or the banhammer comes out.
    That you felt the need to warn about this in the very first reply is a blinking neon sign warning that the article shouldn't have existed.
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  • XatshXatsh Member UncommonPosts: 347
    I agree women in the work place typically are not treated the same as men. In wages, positions, and honestly how they are treated and viewed in general. I travel to many different businesses in my RL job and I see it all over, my office included. I would say at upper positions CEO/COO/CFO/Controller it is 70% men. I honestly think the older generation is just set in their ways too much to change. The only thing that will fix the problem is the old retiring and a newer generation taking over. Need a whole new mindset in general to truly balance things out, and that will just take time.

    But sadly things like staying home from work and such will make no difference. Those that are biased will not be effected at all and might even do some retaliatory measures (no promotion, less raise ect), and those who feel true equal rights should be something we strive for already support women in this regards. People already know the inequality exist this will not change many peoples minds one way or the other.

    The extreme feminist Us vs Them I never understand and I think it is honestly more harmfull then good in thier movement, because it is painting things in black and white which is never the case. There are always those at the extremes but it is never the picture of the whole.


  • AllerleirauhAllerleirauh Member UncommonPosts: 496
    What is the point of this article? As a woman, I prefer not to see articles like this here. I am here to discuss games; this is an invitation for sexist and misinformed comments. Like this one, for example.


    Rusque said:

    Yes, fewer women in gaming day. Also known as "the day it was confirmed that mobile gaming does not make someone a gamer." This isn't to say that women don't play and enjoy a large variety of games, but more pointed at those stupid statistics which say nonsense like, 50-60% of gamers are women!" Playing candy crush on the bus doesn't make you a gamer anymore than me going for a jog makes me an athlete.

    While the march will have more meaning in a broader sense, it definitely won't have any impact in the world of gaming. Sorry. Most women still think gaming is lame.



    Maybe some women think playing candy crush makes you a gamer, but I don't. I've never played candy crush; I bet I play the same games that you do. I doubt that any woman who visits this site regularly would agree with you.
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  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,434
    It is also Women's HIstory Month.  Geez, before long they will want the year, then the decade, and then what?  Yikes.
  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member UncommonPosts: 349
    Felt like a normal day to me. Unaffected 100% and had you not said anything I would not have known.
  • AllerleirauhAllerleirauh Member UncommonPosts: 496
    flizzer said:
    It is also Women's HIstory Month.  Geez, before long they will want the year, then the decade, and then what?  Yikes.
    Who is "they"?
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  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,177
    flizzer said:
    It is also Women's HIstory Month.  Geez, before long they will want the year, then the decade, and then what?  Yikes.
    Who is "they"?
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  • strykr619strykr619 Member UncommonPosts: 277
    DMKano said:
    Aori said:
    DMKano said:
    filmoret said:
    There's plenty of men acting like females on video games you wont notice.

    But in all seriousness. Women are very important and I'm glad they got equal rights. Problem is now men are being discriminated against in the workforce as a result. But thats for another time and day.

    Umm women dont have equal rights, not even close.

    Men dont either, at least not all men.

    Inequality and discrimination happens to almost everyone, however some especially in specific parts of the world are FAR worse off.


    But saying that women having equal rights is just painfully wrong - unless you are ignoring large parts of the world.


    Usually when people talk equal rights they mean the west. You can't do anything about everywhere else unless they have oil.

    while west has equal rights - just how equal are they in reality?

    I think we still have ways to go.
    Nothing can ever truly be equal

  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,260
    Quizzical said:
    Keep it civil, or the banhammer comes out.
    That you felt the need to warn about this in the very first reply is a blinking neon sign warning that the article shouldn't have existed.
    Agreed. There's something about gaming journalists in general across a lot of sites, that makes them feel like they can post political stuff and that people actually want to read it. I enjoy games to escape politics and real life. Can we go back to just being about gaming here?
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,117
    just going to drop this here, I work on HR and I never saw a men working on the same place, doing the same thing getting paid more then a woman, but at the same time I see more men working overtime staying to complete jobs and not just get the time then get up and go home(both sexes do this and if you work to the goverment everyone on that fucking place is lazy and don't work right, guess is that is why they work for goverment in any company they would be fired).

    but then again what is experience right? we have to agree and belive what "especialists" and "the news" says they would never lie to us.

    I could bring a hell a lot of thing men get the short straw on several thing here, but serious there is no point, I will just cherish this day as a good quiet day without anyone nagging people online, and check who I will have to discount this day of work who had the stupidity ofnot going to work(I will possible had to pass some warnings too since we can't really fire anyone for that)

    and funny enough the people who matter be male or female will not care about this kind of thing and will be living the same way, the others who like to do this, serious will not be missed
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,925
    Leiloni said:
    Quizzical said:
    Keep it civil, or the banhammer comes out.
    That you felt the need to warn about this in the very first reply is a blinking neon sign warning that the article shouldn't have existed.
    Agreed. There's something about gaming journalists in general across a lot of sites, that makes them feel like they can post political stuff and that people actually want to read it. I enjoy games to escape politics and real life. Can we go back to just being about gaming here?
    Just because you don't want to read it doesn't mean others don't. You could just opt "not to read it".

    I don't believe in "escaping real life". Sorry, I don't. Real life is always there and I believe in an integration of everything so that everything can be kept in perspective. I'm ok with "fluff pieces" in my news and I'm ok with serious pieces in my fluff sites.

    Now, does that mean I'm going to be marching in "day without women" activities? No, not really. But I'm ok that others want do do this and feel they need to do this.

    The world has so many things that I don't care about or that don't pertain to me. I "could" be annoyed and throw a fit or be pissy whenever I come across something that is not about me or I could just say "that's about others" and move on.







  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 35,389
    edited March 2017
    Leiloni said:
    Quizzical said:
    Keep it civil, or the banhammer comes out.
    That you felt the need to warn about this in the very first reply is a blinking neon sign warning that the article shouldn't have existed.
    Agreed. There's something about gaming journalists in general across a lot of sites, that makes them feel like they can post political stuff and that people actually want to read it. I enjoy games to escape politics and real life. Can we go back to just being about gaming here?
    Shame they redirect your browser and force you to read and participate in this thread then.

    Oh wait...they don't... ;)

    You make your own hells folks, but I'll never understand why people think they need to keep others from discussing unpleasant or controversial subjects. (well, except for P2W, we can stop talking about that) :)

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  • KyarraKyarra Member UncommonPosts: 783

    Guess I am faking being a guy then, I am so still working and playing games still today =/

  • RusqueRusque Member RarePosts: 2,785
    What is the point of this article? As a woman, I prefer not to see articles like this here. I am here to discuss games; this is an invitation for sexist and misinformed comments. Like this one, for example.


    Rusque said:

    Yes, fewer women in gaming day. Also known as "the day it was confirmed that mobile gaming does not make someone a gamer." This isn't to say that women don't play and enjoy a large variety of games, but more pointed at those stupid statistics which say nonsense like, 50-60% of gamers are women!" Playing candy crush on the bus doesn't make you a gamer anymore than me going for a jog makes me an athlete.

    While the march will have more meaning in a broader sense, it definitely won't have any impact in the world of gaming. Sorry. Most women still think gaming is lame.



    Maybe some women think playing candy crush makes you a gamer, but I don't. I've never played candy crush; I bet I play the same games that you do. I doubt that any woman who visits this site regularly would agree with you.

    Like I said, there ARE women who enjoy all sorts of games. Like my wife, she's a gamer. But it's disingenuous to pretend that women like you aren't the exception to how most women think of gaming. I was pretty specific that I was poking fun at the survey's that say a majority of gamers are women, so my point was not aimed at women who visit mmorpg.com.



  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,502
    Grakulen said:


    All in good fun.



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