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  • skoupidiskoupidi Member UncommonPosts: 244
    edited February 2017

    DMKano said:


    43%burnt said:



    DMKano said:




    Pemmin said:




    DMKano said:


    Any way to easily respec as you wish? Or is reclaiming points spent still a crap process?









    still the old free respec every 4 months/ using regret orbs. 





    And that's one of the reasons I walked away - I need to be able to respec easily to try out completely different builds as I want.








    There is always D3 for the effortless gratification.



    And nothing wrong with that - being able to respec as you get different armor sets is nice.

    I don't see why this would be negative for PoE. Would this one change completely ruin the game?



    Fortunately or unfortunately that's how the game was designed. You can esily respec once with the free passive respec points you get from quests and a few orb of regrets. If you stick with one of your builds and farm a bit of currency you can keep respeccing the same character, as long as you don't need to change your class. On the other hand, if you learn the game it doesn't take more than 8-10 hours to reach endgame with a new character(even faster if you got leveling gear). EDIT: I have heard this respec thing at these forums before. I don't know why you think it's so hard to farm ~50 or so regrets. That takes like a few hours of playing and trading(ususally when i reach the point that i want to respec i can do so at least 10 times, with the currency i have acumulated till i reach that point). It is seriously super easy to respec a character in this game, if you actualy spend time into learning and playing the game.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    gipfeli said:
    DMKano said:
    43%burnt said:

    DMKano said:


    Pemmin said:


    DMKano said:

    Any way to easily respec as you wish? Or is reclaiming points spent still a crap process?





    still the old free respec every 4 months/ using regret orbs. 



    And that's one of the reasons I walked away - I need to be able to respec easily to try out completely different builds as I want.





    There is always D3 for the effortless gratification.

    And nothing wrong with that - being able to respec as you get different armor sets is nice.

    I don't see why this would be negative for PoE. Would this one change completely ruin the game?

    I talked to a few people about this topic. PoE would lose the "diablo 2" soul if they added easily accesible respec options.
    if you have an idea about a new build, you will try it out and put many hours in an alt to find out if it's either good or crap.

    You will be told that this is knowledge you need to find out the hard way.

     

    Adding easily accesible respecs would also lead to fotm classes more easily (quicker ??). And since it takes a long time to level an alt for a fotm build

    you would think about trying a fotm build twice before trying it.. ?

     

    I think the skill system is awesome but i don’t have so much time to learn it the „hard way“. I would love to see an easier respec option too.

    Without it new players are either forced to use a build someone else made on the internet (which absoluetly kills the awesome skill system IMO) or gimp themselves to the oblivion and back

    for the first 3 chars, which they will find out after first playthrough.

     

    +1 for easier accesible respec option…

    Easier respec's does sound like its needed, having to wait 4 months? more than likely the only way to 'fix' characters that you messed up with, is to delete them and start over.
  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    Tried to play this again recently. Still really boring IMO.
  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,545
    edited February 2017
    Lack of free respecs is one of the reasons I feel too overwhelmed to get back into this game.  You return to the game after a hiatus with a completely empty skill tree that you need to fill out, and it's either copy someone else who made a tried and true and proven cookie cutter build, or theory craft like hell until your brain explodes and even after that, there's still a good risk that whatever build you came up with might not work as you've wanted it to and then you're screwed.
  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,965
    43%burnt said:

    DMKano said:


    Pemmin said:


    DMKano said:

    Any way to easily respec as you wish? Or is reclaiming points spent still a crap process?





    still the old free respec every 4 months/ using regret orbs. 



    And that's one of the reasons I walked away - I need to be able to respec easily to try out completely different builds as I want.





    There is always D3 for the effortless gratification.
    This is only reason i prefer D3 over PoE.

    A game that punishes every wrong choice by making you create new character ?

    There is nothing I hate more in a game than when i see that Skill line I chose is not performing that good in reality. And than feel gimped for rest of my gameplay time.

    This is when I usually quit the game.

    POE is probably master of such gimping. Waste of time and no fun at all



  • antibiruzantibiruz Member UncommonPosts: 5

    DMKano said:


    anjin66 said:



    Tintagil said:


    I am constantly impressed with PoE. It just keeps getting better.






    that's because they actually listen to what the players want :)



    Lol - selective hearing.

    Every game company listens to players - the quesiton is WHAT players, because you see the trick is there are 1000s of different player voices wanting different things, so no matter what the devs do - they listened to some players who wanted that.

    GGG certainly isn't listening to my voice - so I can say they don't listen, which incidentally is ALSO true for every game company depending if you fall into the group of players who don't get what they want.

    See what I did there?


    (saying "they actually listen" is meaningless as it's always true and always false depending on what players you talk to)



  • antibiruzantibiruz Member UncommonPosts: 5
    edited February 2017
    antibiruz said:

    DMKano said:


    anjin66 said:



    Tintagil said:


    I am constantly impressed with PoE. It just keeps getting better.






    that's because they actually listen to what the players want :)



    Lol - selective hearing.

    Every game company listens to players - the quesiton is WHAT players, because you see the trick is there are 1000s of different player voices wanting different things, so no matter what the devs do - they listened to some players who wanted that.

    GGG certainly isn't listening to my voice - so I can say they don't listen, which incidentally is ALSO true for every game company depending if you fall into the group of players who don't get what they want.

    See what I did there?


    (saying "they actually listen" is meaningless as it's always true and always false depending on what players you talk to)



    i would say selective hearing is meaningless, because you cant please everyone. But devs don't always listen to their customers. just watch hearthstone, that game is dying.
  • Andel_SkaarAndel_Skaar Member UncommonPosts: 401
    All those "Ah its that borring topview diablo clone" are so gonna bite their tongue.

  • gipfeligipfeli Member UncommonPosts: 98
    DMKano said:

    gipfeli said:


    DMKano said:


    43%burnt said:



    DMKano said:




    Pemmin said:




    DMKano said:


    Any way to easily respec as you wish? Or is reclaiming points spent still a crap process?









    still the old free respec every 4 months/ using regret orbs. 





    And that's one of the reasons I walked away - I need to be able to respec easily to try out completely different builds as I want.








    There is always D3 for the effortless gratification.



    And nothing wrong with that - being able to respec as you get different armor sets is nice.

    I don't see why this would be negative for PoE. Would this one change completely ruin the game?


    I talked to
    a few people about this topic. PoE would lose the "diablo 2" soul if
    they added easily accesible respec options.

    if you have an idea about a new build, you will
    try it out and put many hours in an alt to find out if it's either good or
    crap.



    You will be told that this is knowledge you need to find out
    the hard way.



     



    Adding easily
    accesible respecs would also lead to fotm classes more easily (quicker ??).
    And since it takes a long time to level an alt for a fotm build



    you would
    think about trying a fotm build twice before trying it.. ?



     



    I think the skill system is awesome but i don’t have so much
    time to learn it the „hard way“. I would love to see an easier respec option
    too.



    Without it new players are either forced to use a build
    someone else made on the internet (which absoluetly kills the awesome skill
    system IMO) or gimp themselves to the oblivion and back



    for the first 3 chars, which they will find out after first
    playthrough.



     



    +1 for
    easier accesible respec option…





    PoEs strength is the skill system and different builds, it doesnt have the smoothest combat nor the best graphics.

    I played PoE for a year at launch because of skill theorycrafting.

    So why limit the best feature of the game? Being able to experiment freely with different specs would add so much awesome factor to the game.

    Going online to follow someones optimal build is one of the lamest things ever, i mean thats as much fun as following an Ikea assembly booklet with step by step pictures.

    I am glad many are enjoying the game, I wont even consider it until easy respec becomes reality. If it never happens - oh well - not a big loss as there is always Grim Dawn and D3, and not a big loss for GGG as I am only 1 player.
    totally agree!

    DMKano said:
    anjin66 said:

    Tintagil said:

    I am constantly impressed with PoE. It just keeps getting better.



    that's because they actually listen to what the players want :)

    Lol - selective hearing.

    Every game company listens to players - the quesiton is WHAT players, because you see the trick is there are 1000s of different player voices wanting different things, so no matter what the devs do - they listened to some players who wanted that.

    GGG certainly isn't listening to my voice - so I can say they don't listen, which incidentally is ALSO true for every game company depending if you fall into the group of players who don't get what they want.

    See what I did there?


    (saying "they actually listen" is meaningless as it's always true and always false depending on what players you talk to)

    i remember that the repopulation (RIP) devs frequently asked players about how they should add this or that with a poll and went with the most upvotes. that is kind of listening to the majority of your playerbase. on the other hand IMO a developer should develope a game they want themselves, not what others want. if you can create something you want yourself you will work on it quite differently compared to if it's for what others want.

    i don't know myself what i like more though...

    hey look! this is the game we created WE wanted.... -darkfall

    hey look! this is the game we created YOU wanted.... -blizzard


    in the end, it's business, isn't it?
  • MykellMykell Member UncommonPosts: 780
    Respeccing isn't as hard to do as it used to be. Currency drops are a lot more common than at launch and if you raise the master Leo high enough you can swap Scouring Orbs for Regret ones at a discount. You'll be able to do fairly major respecs without too much trouble.

    Once you've played enough you realise most builds share a lot of common passives like health or energy shield and you don't need to respec them ever but if you want to swap from using axes to macs then you'll be able to do it easy imo.
  • fulger_xfulger_x Member UncommonPosts: 6

    SlyLoK said:

    Tried to play this again recently. Still really boring IMO.



    I bet you didnt get very far in the game. I understand as the game can be overwhelming pretty fast for new players but, just hit end game and its game changing. Of course, if you are a fan of ARPG's.
  • xyzercrimexyzercrime Member RarePosts: 878
    Torval said:
    DMKano said:
    Pemmin said:
    DMKano said:
    Any way to easily respec as you wish? Or is reclaiming points spent still a crap process?
    still the old free respec every 4 months/ using regret orbs. 
    And that's one of the reasons I walked away - I need to be able to respec easily to try out completely different builds as I want.
    It's a deal breaker for me and why this isn't even in my game list. Grim Dawn is another great game hampered by limited respecs.

    Rerolling because you tried something that didn't work sucks. That's not theorycrafting. Theorycrafting is trying your theory, failing, refining, and improving it until it's at a level that satisfies you.

    In D3 you might have to respec several times as you grow through and try different achievements or content. A spec might work great solo but not in a group. D3 needs to add more content for sure, but the rest of what they do is better in almost every way by a wide margin.

    Anyone who says D3 just hands you everything obviously hasn't played the game. That game is criticized for the excessive grind at higher paragon levels because it doesn't just hand you everything.
    For you, maybe. For most of PoE suppporters, this kinda theorycrafting that suits them. The difference is PoE will punish you for every mistake you make, real bad.

    And this is not about scapegoating D3, this is about what PoE most supporter pack buyers want. After all, they are sustainers of this project.



    When you don't want the truth, you will make up your own truth.
  • skoupidiskoupidi Member UncommonPosts: 244

    Mykell said:

    Respeccing isn't as hard to do as it used to be. Currency drops are a lot more common than at launch and if you raise the master Leo high enough you can swap Scouring Orbs for Regret ones at a discount. You'll be able to do fairly major respecs without too much trouble.



    Once you've played enough you realise most builds share a lot of common passives like health or energy shield and you don't need to respec them ever but if you want to swap from using axes to macs then you'll be able to do it easy imo.



    Exactly what i've been trying to say. Yet people here still don't get it, maybe because they haven't even tried the game for more than a a few hours.
  • xyzercrimexyzercrime Member RarePosts: 878
    skoupidi said:

    Mykell said:

    Respeccing isn't as hard to do as it used to be. Currency drops are a lot more common than at launch and if you raise the master Leo high enough you can swap Scouring Orbs for Regret ones at a discount. You'll be able to do fairly major respecs without too much trouble.



    Once you've played enough you realise most builds share a lot of common passives like health or energy shield and you don't need to respec them ever but if you want to swap from using axes to macs then you'll be able to do it easy imo.



    Exactly what i've been trying to say. Yet people here still don't get it, maybe because they haven't even tried the game for more than a a few hours.
    That's what becoming more of a problem lately, people just think they more experienced than the ones who really have experience in it.



    When you don't want the truth, you will make up your own truth.
  • 43%burnt43%burnt Member UncommonPosts: 162
    D3 is an average ARPG, but a pathetic successor of D2. ARPGs are planning your char, leveling it and farm loot. D3 cuts out the frist two, and all you got left is a meaningless, mindless grind.
    That's why people play PoE, Grim Dawn...hell, even Titan Quest or Diablo 2 still get played for the same reason.


  • McGamerMcGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,073
    Hey editor, I get that English can be hard, but...might want to re-check the front page thumbnail for this article. Is it Oriath or Noriath??
  • skoupidiskoupidi Member UncommonPosts: 244
    Aori said:
    skoupidi said:

    Mykell said:

    Respeccing isn't as hard to do as it used to be. Currency drops are a lot more common than at launch and if you raise the master Leo high enough you can swap Scouring Orbs for Regret ones at a discount. You'll be able to do fairly major respecs without too much trouble.



    Once you've played enough you realise most builds share a lot of common passives like health or energy shield and you don't need to respec them ever but if you want to swap from using axes to macs then you'll be able to do it easy imo.



    Exactly what i've been trying to say. Yet people here still don't get it, maybe because they haven't even tried the game for more than a a few hours.
    That's what becoming more of a problem lately, people just think they more experienced than the ones who really have experience in it.
    I have almost 500 hours into PoE, I've experienced it enough to form an educated opinion.
    Then explain this. I started last league as a life based shadow/assassin whit daggers. After i managed to get 2x scourge claws i spend like 15-20 regrets and switched my dagger nodes to claws. After that i got some es gear and decided to switch to ES instead of life, spent another 20-30 regret and switched to es. After that i got my hands on a mirror and mirrored the best dagger on the league. No problem, i spent another 20 regrets switching my build to dagger/shield/ES. Meanwhile i did all that by actually playing the game for 4~5 hours a day.

    I don't know what more you guys are asking for, i really i don't get it.
  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,479
    agree with the respecs, I lose out on half the game, cause I don't have endless time to try things, and I end up just copying some guide off the website

    I have played thru the 3 difficulties on my own build, and thought I was doing good, but really wasn't when I reached maps

    problem is I also don't have a lot of time or knowledge on how to trade, so my builds are based on the browns I find myself, and sometimes I modify as I go

  • CazrielCazriel Member RarePosts: 419



    Torval said:


    DMKano said:


    Pemmin said:


    DMKano said:

    Any way to easily respec as you wish? Or is reclaiming points spent still a crap process?



    still the old free respec every 4 months/ using regret orbs. 
    And that's one of the reasons I walked away - I need to be able to respec easily to try out completely different builds as I want.


    It's a deal breaker for me and why this isn't even in my game list. Grim Dawn is another great game hampered by limited respecs.

    Rerolling because you tried something that didn't work sucks. That's not theorycrafting. Theorycrafting is trying your theory, failing, refining, and improving it until it's at a level that satisfies you.

    In D3 you might have to respec several times as you grow through and try different achievements or content. A spec might work great solo but not in a group. D3 needs to add more content for sure, but the rest of what they do is better in almost every way by a wide margin.

    Anyone who says D3 just hands you everything obviously hasn't played the game. That game is criticized for the excessive grind at higher paragon levels because it doesn't just hand you everything.


    For you, maybe. For most of PoE suppporters, this kinda theorycrafting that suits them. The difference is PoE will punish you for every mistake you make, real bad.

    And this is not about scapegoating D3, this is about what PoE most supporter pack buyers want. After all, they are sustainers of this project.



    Exactly.
    And just like D3 has well-known meta builds, there are plenty of good beginner, medium and expert builds posted on the PoE forums. If you're like me, you don't want to waste time with a build you have to trash because you don't understand the ins and outs of the game's stat, gem, weapon and armor system. I've had very good luck with the builds posted by other PoE gamers. An hour spent researching a class saves time in the end. This is no different than using Icy Veins or DiabloFans to find the current best build for a Diablo 3 class.
  • gipfeligipfeli Member UncommonPosts: 98
    Cazriel said:



    Torval said:


    DMKano said:


    Pemmin said:


    DMKano said:

    Any way to easily respec as you wish? Or is reclaiming points spent still a crap process?



    still the old free respec every 4 months/ using regret orbs. 
    And that's one of the reasons I walked away - I need to be able to respec easily to try out completely different builds as I want.


    It's a deal breaker for me and why this isn't even in my game list. Grim Dawn is another great game hampered by limited respecs.

    Rerolling because you tried something that didn't work sucks. That's not theorycrafting. Theorycrafting is trying your theory, failing, refining, and improving it until it's at a level that satisfies you.

    In D3 you might have to respec several times as you grow through and try different achievements or content. A spec might work great solo but not in a group. D3 needs to add more content for sure, but the rest of what they do is better in almost every way by a wide margin.

    Anyone who says D3 just hands you everything obviously hasn't played the game. That game is criticized for the excessive grind at higher paragon levels because it doesn't just hand you everything.


    For you, maybe. For most of PoE suppporters, this kinda theorycrafting that suits them. The difference is PoE will punish you for every mistake you make, real bad.

    And this is not about scapegoating D3, this is about what PoE most supporter pack buyers want. After all, they are sustainers of this project.



    Exactly.
    And just like D3 has well-known meta builds, there are plenty of good beginner, medium and expert builds posted on the PoE forums. If you're like me, you don't want to waste time with a build you have to trash because you don't understand the ins and outs of the game's stat, gem, weapon and armor system. I've had very good luck with the builds posted by other PoE gamers. An hour spent researching a class saves time in the end. This is no different than using Icy Veins or DiabloFans to find the current best build for a Diablo 3 class.
    fine if it works for you this way. for me the WHOLE point of that awesome skill system PoE has is killed if i'd just go for a build someone else made.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited February 2017
    DMKano said:
    I don't see why this would be negative for PoE. Would this one change completely ruin the game?
    How do you like PVP in MMO with no death penalty whatsoever?
  • gipfeligipfeli Member UncommonPosts: 98
    Gdemami said:
    DMKano said:
    I don't see why this would be negative for PoE. Would this one change completely ruin the game?
    How do you like PVP in MMO with no death penalty whatsoever?
    preferable
  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,545
    edited February 2017
    skoupidi said:
    Then explain this. I started last league as a life based shadow/assassin whit daggers. After i managed to get 2x scourge claws i spend like 15-20 regrets and switched my dagger nodes to claws. After that i got some es gear and decided to switch to ES instead of life, spent another 20-30 regret and switched to es. After that i got my hands on a mirror and mirrored the best dagger on the league. No problem, i spent another 20 regrets switching my build to dagger/shield/ES. Meanwhile i did all that by actually playing the game for 4~5 hours a day.

    I don't know what more you guys are asking for, i really i don't get it.
    For the entire first paragraph there until that last sentence, I thought you were implying they made regret orbs ridiculously easy to get and thus respeccing was now easy.

    ....then I got to the last sentence of that paragraph and had the urge to drink some coffee so I could spittake it.

    You're not really helping your case, there.  Well, to be fair, you did admit that you don't get it.
  • rodrigodsrodrigods Member UncommonPosts: 5
    edited February 2017
    I believe the ultimate PoE goal is to try to make an unique character build that actually works end game. Most people I know just copy (or make very few changes) some forum builds, and it works for them. Personally I think its best if you just pick a skill you like, and try to find the best build for that particular skill. By best I'm talking about what suits your play style.

    As people said before, after some time playing, you'll realise that respecing a char is quite easy using orbs of regret and the points already given through quests. But if you wanna try a completely different character, with a diffent class, weapon type, skill, ascendancy and such... you have to make a new character. Theres no way around that in nearly all MMOs.

    Saying all this, I did make use of all kinds of softwares and mods to allow full respec. In diablo 2, torchlight, titan quest... it just makes life easier. Mostly because those games are a pain to relevel. In PoE I can pretty much reach end game within around 12hours of gameplay. Less if I already have the gear.
  • skoupidiskoupidi Member UncommonPosts: 244
    edited February 2017
    You people are either hopeless or missinformed or just stuborn or all of those together. Just because i was spending 4-5 hours a day and had 129212981 regret orbs to spend, doesn't mean that you have to nolife the game to be able to respec. Regret orbs cost 1 chaos at early-mid league. Farming 20 chaos takes less than 1 hour of actually playing the game (killing monsters,bosses,doing maps). If you guys cant spend a few hours a week on a game , then why do you keep complaining? Just stick to facebook games.

    If you have knowledge of how the mechanics and game works, then its not hard to achieve anything. That goes for any game out there. If you want handholding and instant power, then yes this game isn't for you. If you want to play 1 hour a week and beat the game, then yes this game isn't for you either.

    It's fine if you don't like the game, but don't go arround spreading false information about a game you obviously don't know much about.
    Post edited by skoupidi on
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