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Pantheon: THE MOST WANTED MMO OF 2017, did you or want to pledge now?

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,986
    I pledged long ago, but now regret it.  I detest them locking mobility and resource recovery together.  I'm done with the whole sitting on your ass during combat and after to recover mana.  Some downtime is a good thing, but it doesn't have to be tied to mobility, something melee classes have never had to tolerate throughout the years.
    I know on paper it sounds horrid and I'm halfway there with you. Like MrMel said right above you it's a lot to risk on a big maybe.

    I'll wait to give combat a fair shake when it's playable, unless some huge deal breaker comes up. They've said there will be a trial/demo period. I should be able to figure it out in that time. But if it's just sit on your ass so the needy extroverts can gab at you then screw that.
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  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,537
    Torval said:
    I know on paper it sounds horrid and I'm halfway there with you. Like MrMel said right above you it's a lot to risk on a big maybe.
    Yea, it's apparent that they got a lot of people to pledge before full details of the game's final design were even out.

    ....and it's likely that full details of the game still aren't out (or finalized), too.  (...for the sake of the game, it'd probably be bad if the design was already finalized I think).
  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    I just can't believe anyone would give these people any money before a product is released, based on: past financial misbehavior (and yes, it happened, and yes it matters), that they are running development on charging $15/mo for FORUM ACCESS and want $100 for beta access, and that the game will not be finished, for literally years yet. But then, their entire business model is long on hype and BS to fleece suckers wanting an old school game.
  • donger56donger56 Member RarePosts: 443
    After what I saw from McQuaid with Vanguard, there is zero chance of me ever investing in anything he's in charge of. It wasn't even that the game failed as much as how everything was handled. The guy literally disappeared and left his employees standing in the parking lot being told they were all out of a job by some manager. Real class act this guy is. Then he followed that up by spending the early crowd funding money from this project on himself and leaving everyone else with nothing after the kickstarter crashed and burned. I can't imagine anyone would ever want to work for this guy. If this game somehow makes any money, you can bet Brad will be the only one getting paid. This guy might have been a good game designer 20 years ago but he's a terrible business manager.  
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    When the game is finished, thats when i will look at all the game reviews and decide whether i want to buy it or not.
    Buy into it before its finished, its not just a no, its a Hell no. :o
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member RarePosts: 3,432
    edited February 2017
    donger56 said:
    After what I saw from McQuaid with Vanguard, there is zero chance of me ever investing in anything he's in charge of. It wasn't even that the game failed as much as how everything was handled. The guy literally disappeared and left his employees standing in the parking lot being told they were all out of a job by some manager. Real class act this guy is. Then he followed that up by spending the early crowd funding money from this project on himself and leaving everyone else with nothing after the kickstarter crashed and burned. I can't imagine anyone would ever want to work for this guy. If this game somehow makes any money, you can bet Brad will be the only one getting paid. This guy might have been a good game designer 20 years ago but he's a terrible business manager.  

    Yawn! Well I guess that counts you out, it will be no lost to people who have stopped flogging the dead horse and moved on. 


    But guess what, I bet you will play it once it comes out making some pathetic excuse of why your 'giving the game a chance but I still can't forgive Brad blah, blah, blah' 

    I really hope you don't though. 




  • DragnelusDragnelus Member EpicPosts: 3,264
    Nop

  • IshkalIshkal Member UncommonPosts: 304

    I don't understand why any one would kickstart or pledge after all the crap that's gone down over the last few years

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,361
    Ishkal said:

    I don't understand why any one would kickstart or pledge after all the crap that's gone down over the last few years

    Hope springs eternal :)

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 8,607
    arieste said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Did you pledge after they won? Do you want to but waiting for some reason? Why did you pledge? Why do you not want to pledge? 
    This is pretty much the only PVE-centric game on the market, so I'll keep an eye on it for that reason alone.

    As long as Brad McQuaid is involved in it, however, I'm going to go with experience and assume he is lying about everything again and just wants to bs people and sell something that doesn't actually exist.  When there is an actual game to play and if I like it, I'll gladly pay for it - regardless of who made it.   Until then, no money.  Unless they fire him and hire someone that I have had good experiences with (which is just about any major producer).  
    Brad has been removed from anything to do with the finances of the company. He is just in charge of the creative direction of the game and nothing more.  
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 8,607
    Heretique said:
    This game even going to come out?
    FAQ says Alpha and Beta will be in 2017. They have no set date for the start of testing and no date on when the game will launch. 
  • AmsaiAmsai Member UncommonPosts: 299
    Torval said:
    I pledged long ago, but now regret it.  I detest them locking mobility and resource recovery together.  I'm done with the whole sitting on your ass during combat and after to recover mana.  Some downtime is a good thing, but it doesn't have to be tied to mobility, something melee classes have never had to tolerate throughout the years.
    I know on paper it sounds horrid and I'm halfway there with you. Like MrMel said right above you it's a lot to risk on a big maybe.

    I'll wait to give combat a fair shake when it's playable, unless some huge deal breaker comes up. They've said there will be a trial/demo period. I should be able to figure it out in that time. But if it's just sit on your ass so the needy extroverts can gab at you then screw that.
    Actually, they are looking into it. So nothing is set in stone as to resource recovery. That doesnt mean there wont be some down time. But they are looking into it. So I suggest a wait and see approach until its official.



  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    edited February 2017
    I pledged long ago, but now regret it.  I detest them locking mobility and resource recovery together.  I'm done with the whole sitting on your ass during combat and after to recover mana.  Some downtime is a good thing, but it doesn't have to be tied to mobility, something melee classes have never had to tolerate throughout the years.
    They are looking at resting and meditation in combat, but if there is no actual resting at any point, it wouldn't be "down time", now would it.


  • Kayo83Kayo83 Member UncommonPosts: 399
    I pledged just before they changed the perks to remove alpha. Why? First and foremost its one of the few developers that see what has gone wrong with MMO's (or gaming in general) over the last decade and is looking to change it. Second, out of those with similar philosophies, its the only one that doesnt have some odd gimmick attached like "aging" or promising all these dynamic epic worlds that frankly Id be skeptical of a huge studio producing, much less a startup with kickstarter style funds. Third, theyve shown a lot of progress, are being pretty open about development, things are actually happening, and while there is still a chance the whole thing will go belly up before release (or totally suck) it doesnt seem like theyre making promises they cant keep.

    I wanted to wait a little more but /shrug ... never participated in these public funding projects and I didnt want to miss out on alpha waiting to do something I was probably going to do eventually anyway.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,986
    Amsai said:
    Torval said:
    I pledged long ago, but now regret it.  I detest them locking mobility and resource recovery together.  I'm done with the whole sitting on your ass during combat and after to recover mana.  Some downtime is a good thing, but it doesn't have to be tied to mobility, something melee classes have never had to tolerate throughout the years.
    I know on paper it sounds horrid and I'm halfway there with you. Like MrMel said right above you it's a lot to risk on a big maybe.

    I'll wait to give combat a fair shake when it's playable, unless some huge deal breaker comes up. They've said there will be a trial/demo period. I should be able to figure it out in that time. But if it's just sit on your ass so the needy extroverts can gab at you then screw that.
    Actually, they are looking into it. So nothing is set in stone as to resource recovery. That doesnt mean there wont be some down time. But they are looking into it. So I suggest a wait and see approach until its official.


    As always, it's about pacing. That's why I generally wait until I can try it or at least sound off with others I know.
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  • Iceman8235Iceman8235 Member UncommonPosts: 205
    I really want to pledge because I think Pantheon has more potential than anything on the horizon, but it's all a timing thing for me.  I'm also interested in Crowfall and Camelot Unchained and with no hard dates for anything it's hard to commit.  If one game comes before the others and my friends and I are having a great time with that game, we may put Pantheon on the backburner for a while depending on the situation.  Once Pantheon releases a date where nothing will be wiped from that point on, I'll be much likely to pledge.
  • Agent_JosephAgent_Joseph Member UncommonPosts: 1,341
    maybe after released if CU failed
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    I really want to pledge because I think Pantheon has more potential than anything on the horizon, but it's all a timing thing for me.  I'm also interested in Crowfall and Camelot Unchained and with no hard dates for anything it's hard to commit.  If one game comes before the others and my friends and I are having a great time with that game, we may put Pantheon on the backburner for a while depending on the situation.  Once Pantheon releases a date where nothing will be wiped from that point on, I'll be much likely to pledge.
    The servers will be wiped before launch. Pantheon is doing normal testing, not early access.


  • DravendoreDravendore Member UncommonPosts: 78
    edited February 2017
    I've been following this game for a long time and I'm extremely interested.  I'm really looking forward to seeing what they end up doing with Necromancers even if I don't get to play as one until long after launch.  That said, I wish the pledges that offered alpha access started at $100.  I can't reallly see spending $250 on an MMO these days.
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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member RarePosts: 3,432
    edited February 2017
    Nanfoodle said:
    arieste said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Did you pledge after they won? Do you want to but waiting for some reason? Why did you pledge? Why do you not want to pledge? 
    This is pretty much the only PVE-centric game on the market, so I'll keep an eye on it for that reason alone.

    As long as Brad McQuaid is involved in it, however, I'm going to go with experience and assume he is lying about everything again and just wants to bs people and sell something that doesn't actually exist.  When there is an actual game to play and if I like it, I'll gladly pay for it - regardless of who made it.   Until then, no money.  Unless they fire him and hire someone that I have had good experiences with (which is just about any major producer).  
    Brad has been removed from anything to do with the finances of the company. He is just in charge of the creative direction of the game and nothing more.  


    He hasn't been removed he has just distance himself from that side of the company to concentrate on other things. Instead of trying to take care of it all he has taken on an certain role and stuck with that. 

    Saying he has been removed is insulting considering it's his game lol. Perhaps people need to be reminded that it's Brad who remains at the helm of this game and that's not saying it's not a team effort because it is. 

    Nope he hasn't been removed like some bad school kid from class. 
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Nanfoodle said:
    arieste said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Did you pledge after they won? Do you want to but waiting for some reason? Why did you pledge? Why do you not want to pledge? 
    This is pretty much the only PVE-centric game on the market, so I'll keep an eye on it for that reason alone.

    As long as Brad McQuaid is involved in it, however, I'm going to go with experience and assume he is lying about everything again and just wants to bs people and sell something that doesn't actually exist.  When there is an actual game to play and if I like it, I'll gladly pay for it - regardless of who made it.   Until then, no money.  Unless they fire him and hire someone that I have had good experiences with (which is just about any major producer).  
    Brad has been removed from anything to do with the finances of the company. He is just in charge of the creative direction of the game and nothing more.  


    He hasn't been removed he has just distance himself from that side of the company to concentrate on other things. Instead of trying to take care of it all he has taken on an certain role and stuck with that. 

    Saying he has been removed is insulting considering it's his game lol. Perhaps people need to be reminded that it's Brad who remains at the helm of this game and that's not saying it's not a team effort because it is. 

    Nope he hasn't been removed like some bad school kid from class. 

    No, he is right. It was made quite public that he handed over all financial responsibilities. What does it matter if he distanced himself or was removed? It's just semantics. The fact is that even people who LOVE his games had significant concerns that with him in charge of everything, including finances, that their money would go up his nose. Honestly, it's one of the smartest moves for this game, especially considering that there was controversy immediately following their own crowdfunding, with regards to cash. @Nanfoodle wasn't saying he was removed from the game, he said his sole responsibility is with the creative direction of the game. With all their efforts to make that clear, you insinuating that he still has some control over that isn't actually helping anything. 

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  • svannsvann Member RarePosts: 2,218
    I never pay money for anything that I can not examine immediately, if not sooner.
  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 5,955
    CrazKanuk said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    arieste said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Did you pledge after they won? Do you want to but waiting for some reason? Why did you pledge? Why do you not want to pledge? 
    This is pretty much the only PVE-centric game on the market, so I'll keep an eye on it for that reason alone.

    As long as Brad McQuaid is involved in it, however, I'm going to go with experience and assume he is lying about everything again and just wants to bs people and sell something that doesn't actually exist.  When there is an actual game to play and if I like it, I'll gladly pay for it - regardless of who made it.   Until then, no money.  Unless they fire him and hire someone that I have had good experiences with (which is just about any major producer).  
    Brad has been removed from anything to do with the finances of the company. He is just in charge of the creative direction of the game and nothing more.  


    He hasn't been removed he has just distance himself from that side of the company to concentrate on other things. Instead of trying to take care of it all he has taken on an certain role and stuck with that. 

    Saying he has been removed is insulting considering it's his game lol. Perhaps people need to be reminded that it's Brad who remains at the helm of this game and that's not saying it's not a team effort because it is. 

    Nope he hasn't been removed like some bad school kid from class. 

    No, he is right. It was made quite public that he handed over all financial responsibilities. What does it matter if he distanced himself or was removed? It's just semantics. The fact is that even people who LOVE his games had significant concerns that with him in charge of everything, including finances, that their money would go up his nose. Honestly, it's one of the smartest moves for this game, especially considering that there was controversy immediately following their own crowdfunding, with regards to cash. @Nanfoodle wasn't saying he was removed from the game, he said his sole responsibility is with the creative direction of the game. With all their efforts to make that clear, you insinuating that he still has some control over that isn't actually helping anything. 
    He should not be in charge of the finances considering his track record so that was a very good decision and you cannot just gloss over what happened in Vanguard no matter how hard you try it was pretty public. So taking all that into consideration people will of course be hesitant to pledge which is while regrettable understandable.

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