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AMD Ryzen CPUs (Zen) Show Very Strong Performance

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  • SlyLoKSlyLoK Member RarePosts: 2,698
    If performance is that good then Intel needs to drop prices asap. Just goes to show Intel has been ripping off people for years.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    SlyLoK said:
    If performance is that good then Intel needs to drop prices asap. Just goes to show Intel has been ripping off people for years.
    You would think. What they will do instead, is throw a lot of money into a marketing campaign, and continue to charge a premium based upon brand recognition. And AMD, if they are smart, once they start to get traction will incrementally increase their prices to match over successive iterations.

    Back in the early '00's, AMD outperformed Intel. Intel still commanded a premium price, AMD just charged more for their chip. And Intel spent a lot of money on the Blue Man Group and their little sound byte (do-do-do) and a lot of commercials.

    So people still bought Intel, even though AMD was better, just because they recognized the brand and trusted it.
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Malabooga said:
    There are 2 tests, Blender and Handbrake, also thats without any Turbo enabled on AMD chip AND it uses less power to beat it ;P

    Blender



    AMD RYZEN ES (3.4 GHz)Intel Core i7-6900K (3.7 GHz)
    Blender Custom Scene25.57s26.01s

    Handbrake



    also you can download file they used and try for yourself in Blender ;P

    OCed i7s 4 core get well over a minute

    Cherry picked benchmarks.
    Don't fall for hypetrains, those are always bad.

    Just wait till the FULL UNBIASED reviews are in and if it is a real contender.

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,563
    Ridelynn said:
    SlyLoK said:
    If performance is that good then Intel needs to drop prices asap. Just goes to show Intel has been ripping off people for years.
    You would think. What they will do instead, is throw a lot of money into a marketing campaign, and continue to charge a premium based upon brand recognition. And AMD, if they are smart, once they start to get traction will incrementally increase their prices to match over successive iterations.

    Back in the early '00's, AMD outperformed Intel. Intel still commanded a premium price, AMD just charged more for their chip. And Intel spent a lot of money on the Blue Man Group and their little sound byte (do-do-do) and a lot of commercials.

    So people still bought Intel, even though AMD was better, just because they recognized the brand and trusted it.
    Back then, AMD fabbed their own chips, and couldn't build more chips than their fab capacity allowed.  So even if AMD CPUs had been ten times as fast as Intel's, they still wouldn't have been able to get more than about 10% market share.  All they could have done is to charge more.

    That's different now, as AMD shares Global Foundries' fab capacity with many other vendors, so they don't have a fixed, you must build exactly this many chips.  Even among the capacity that AMD gets themselves, they could make room for more Ryzen by building less Polaris if necessary.

    And they could also have Samsung fab extra chips they need to, as Global Foundries licensed Samsung's process node.  I'm not privy to the fine details, but as I understand it, AMD's wafer start agreement only mandates that they must buy some number of wafers per month (or quarter or year or whatever) from Global Foundries, not that they can't also buy wafers elsewhere.  Global Foundries' goal is sell all of their capacity, not cripple their customers.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    The main reason I am getting the Ryzen is because the benchmark they chose. The only thing I do on my computer that is demanding on the CPU is rendering in Blender. If it performs better in Blender like the FX-8370 did, then I have no qualms buying it even if it sucks at a bunch of other synthetic benchmarks.

    Those Coolers look really nice. I remember a Toms Hardware article on measuring the CPU cooler performance. The CPU was cooled well, but the surrounding hardware was running hot. It's because the surrounding hardware relies on the CPU cooler to cool it as well. Having circular type coolers like the Thermaltake Orb cooled better because it was also dispersing the air in every direction around the CPU.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,780
    I hope these chips are fantastic and blow Intel away on cost AND performance!

    That said, I doubt I will ever buy one.  My experience with AMD in the past has been disappointing.  Having serious competition to push Intel though?  Only good things can come from that!

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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    Muke said:
    Malabooga said:
    There are 2 tests, Blender and Handbrake, also thats without any Turbo enabled on AMD chip AND it uses less power to beat it ;P

    Blender



    AMD RYZEN ES (3.4 GHz)Intel Core i7-6900K (3.7 GHz)
    Blender Custom Scene25.57s26.01s

    Handbrake



    also you can download file they used and try for yourself in Blender ;P

    OCed i7s 4 core get well over a minute

    Cherry picked benchmarks.
    Don't fall for hypetrains, those are always bad.

    Just wait till the FULL UNBIASED reviews are in and if it is a real contender.
    Can you explain in great detail how are Blender and Hanbrake "cherry picked" and "biased"....because guess what: you can dowload them and test them to your hearts delight.

    And thats xactly why they chose them: real world (and VERY popular) free applications that ANYONE can use and test
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 8,021
    Malabooga said:
    Muke said:
    Malabooga said:
    There are 2 tests, Blender and Handbrake, also thats without any Turbo enabled on AMD chip AND it uses less power to beat it ;P

    Blender



    AMD RYZEN ES (3.4 GHz)Intel Core i7-6900K (3.7 GHz)
    Blender Custom Scene25.57s26.01s

    Handbrake



    also you can download file they used and try for yourself in Blender ;P

    OCed i7s 4 core get well over a minute

    Cherry picked benchmarks.
    Don't fall for hypetrains, those are always bad.

    Just wait till the FULL UNBIASED reviews are in and if it is a real contender.
    Can you explain in great detail how are Blender and Hanbrake "cherry picked" and "biased"....because guess what: you can dowload them and test them to your hearts delight.

    And thats xactly why they chose them: real world (and VERY popular) free applications that ANYONE can use and test
    "Cherry pickingsuppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position..."

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking


    That's not to say that AMD would do anything wrong when cherry picking tests, all businesses do it when advertising their products. But that's why one should make a difference between PR and tests, and that picture is AMD's PR.
     
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Vrika said:
    Malabooga said:
    Muke said:
    Malabooga said:
    There are 2 tests, Blender and Handbrake, also thats without any Turbo enabled on AMD chip AND it uses less power to beat it ;P

    Blender



    AMD RYZEN ES (3.4 GHz)Intel Core i7-6900K (3.7 GHz)
    Blender Custom Scene25.57s26.01s

    Handbrake



    also you can download file they used and try for yourself in Blender ;P

    OCed i7s 4 core get well over a minute

    Cherry picked benchmarks.
    Don't fall for hypetrains, those are always bad.

    Just wait till the FULL UNBIASED reviews are in and if it is a real contender.
    Can you explain in great detail how are Blender and Hanbrake "cherry picked" and "biased"....because guess what: you can dowload them and test them to your hearts delight.

    And thats xactly why they chose them: real world (and VERY popular) free applications that ANYONE can use and test
    "Cherry pickingsuppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position..."

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking


    That's not to say that AMD would do anything wrong when cherry picking tests, all businesses do it when advertising their products. But that's why one should make a difference between PR and tests, and that picture is AMD's PR.
    So you have absolutely nothing. Still waiting for someone to actually explain why are Blender and Handbrake "cherry picking" and "biased".

    Blender:

    https://www.blender.org/

    Hanbrake

    https://handbrake.fr/





  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Malabooga said:
    Muke said:
    Malabooga said:
    There are 2 tests, Blender and Handbrake, also thats without any Turbo enabled on AMD chip AND it uses less power to beat it ;P

    Blender



    AMD RYZEN ES (3.4 GHz)Intel Core i7-6900K (3.7 GHz)
    Blender Custom Scene25.57s26.01s

    Handbrake



    also you can download file they used and try for yourself in Blender ;P

    OCed i7s 4 core get well over a minute

    Cherry picked benchmarks.
    Don't fall for hypetrains, those are always bad.

    Just wait till the FULL UNBIASED reviews are in and if it is a real contender.
    Can you explain in great detail how are Blender and Hanbrake "cherry picked" and "biased"....because guess what: you can dowload them and test them to your hearts delight.

    And thats xactly why they chose them: real world (and VERY popular) free applications that ANYONE can use and test
    So you believe EVERYTHING that a company says about their product?
    I remember Intel promising +30% performance in the past, in reality it was about just below 10%.
    Still nice though, but not the 30+.
    Intel is promising so many with the Kaby Lake CPU, if fact it is just a Skylake CPU but clocked higher.

    But I take it you looked at AMD's promo and thought "WOOOOW RIP INTEL! AMD RYZEN IS THE BEST!!!" and were 1st in line for the hypetrain.

    The thing is not even on the market for normal consumers yet, all you see are benchmarks, specs which look good, but noone has seen the CPU work!
    Apart from AMD ofc, who say it is the best thing ever. Who would have thought that?A company that is saying their product is the best.

    Plus they "demonstrated" their top of the line CPU, a CPU the majority of the consumers will not even buy because those are often also the most expensive. How will the AMD i5 and i3 versions perform compared to the Intel CPUs and the i7? Noone knows yet apart from AMD themselves.

    Of course AMD is going to pick the best benchmarks for their top CPU which make look Ryzen very good. It's their money and maybe a life saver for their company.
    They surely need success about now after all the dreadful decisions and results they had in the past.
    I still own a Athlon machine which is very handy in the cold winters.

    The fact remains: You fell for the hypetrain, believe everything they sell you when in act you don't know anything because you do not own one (yet) and don't have access to a testing bench with the Zen cpu and mobo on it.

    I own a Skylake machine, I sit out the release, and if the UNbiased ( <-- read that) reviews are in and if they are really that good (I hope so, because Intel is surely overpriced and performance leaps inbetween cpu generations are very small because they own the market currently): I will build a AMD Zen machine myself.


    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    Still no a single word WHY are Blender and Handbrake "cherry picking" and "biased"

    those are open source and very popular vendor agnostic programs and are not sponsored by anyone.

    They even gave the file they used for EVERYONE to test in Blender so you can inspect both the application and file to your hearts delight as both can be dowloaded and tested in a few seconds.....and results for 6900k have been verified by those few who have 6900k/6950x.

    And yeah, those are NOT benhcmark or synthetic tests but real world applications used by millions of people every day lol

    Anyway, heres the list of spotted SKUs and (bulk most likely)prices. All Ryzen CPUs are unlocked so you can OC any of them, which is really WELOCMED improvement lol



    For someone interesed in some curiosities, they all have same silicon die with various parts disabled, so "4c/4t" has 4 cores and SMT disabled but its same chip as 8c/16t.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    We now have Blender, hanbrake and third party (though still "leak") cpu mark tests.

    So at this point you should start explaining WHY something is "cherry picking" and "biased" and WHY something isnt.

    In fact AMD chose vendor agnostic open source apps that were never ever classified as "cherry picking" and "biased" and are pretty much always used in CPU reviews and benchmarks AND shared a file used. If they wanted to show things like Intel does they would choose their own sponsored synthetic app like SYSmark.

    "BAPCo has primarily been made up of PC OEMs, along with Intel and other companies."

    this stems all the way back when Intel was convicted for cheating in benchmarks, gimping AMD CPUs with malicious compiler and bribing OEMs. THATS how cherry picked and biased benchmark is done and WHY it is cherry picked and biased lol
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    edited February 2017
    Malabooga said:
    We now have Blender, hanbrake and third party (though still "leak") cpu mark tests.

    So at this point you should start explaining WHY something is "cherry picking" and "biased" and WHY something isnt.

    In fact AMD chose vendor agnostic open source apps that were never ever classified as "cherry picking" and "biased" and are pretty much always used in CPU reviews and benchmarks AND shared a file used. If they wanted to show things like Intel does they would choose their own sponsored synthetic app like SYSmark.

    "BAPCo has primarily been made up of PC OEMs, along with Intel and other companies."

    this stems all the way back when Intel was convicted for cheating in benchmarks, gimping AMD CPUs with malicious compiler and bribing OEMs. THATS how cherry picked and biased benchmark is done and WHY it is cherry picked and biased lol

    You really don't get it, do you.
    You are so easily to fool because of a few tests.

    Have you seen the Zen work? No.
    have you seen the other Zen iterations work? No.
    Have you seen AMD promote their product? Yes.
    Do you jump on 3rd party benchmarks? Yes.
    Do you fall for the hypetrain? Totally.

    Adding to that: a benchmark score does not really say anything. How does the hardware perform IRL?
    "My Cinebench score was 5000, now I have 8000 and I am in the top 30% of the ppl that uploaded their results, up from 57% earlier."
    Net result: Windows booted 1s faster. $1000 rebuild for that guy. Great. :P

    Still laughing about that one because one of my machines, a gen 4 I5 beats his Skylake machine with ease.

    But back on your claims: all your posts are based on....a few benchmarks you believe 100%.

    I bet you believe all those Youtube benchmark build programs too? Especially the ones that are promoted by companies. Like Linus' and Jayz2cts vids are.
    Those same benchmarks that say Intel had so good performance gains yet instead they were -20% lower then said.

    You also believe Kaby Lake is +15% compared to Skylake? Like Kaby Lake's successor will be another +15%?

    I hope you are right.

    If the Zen is really that good: I will buy the top model myself.

    Just wait till the thing is released, and the real results are in, untill then: your claims are all hot air, especially when seeing you put out all the stops to trash intel and boast about AMD in other threads here and making a fool out of yourself.

    But regarding ZEN being cheaper and better then Intel, We'll see. Again, I hope you are right.

    But having experience with AMD in the past, I think I have a benchmark somewhere (I'll ask Blender if I can't find it) stating AMD added to the Global Heating, I'll hold my reserves about buying one and wait till the REAL reviews are in. You know, buy the actual users instead of PAID promoters.


    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534
    Malabooga said:
    http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-zen-cpu-benchmarks-official/

    this could finally mean no more retarded 180$ dual core CPUs in 2017. by Intel

    definitely worth waiting for as prices are rumored to be much lower than Intels comparable CPUs (hinted by Lisa Su at presentation)
    yea, you could have buyed a new one in the last 10 years ^^

    but i guess they weren't producing enough heat  *G*

    "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 8,021
    edited February 2017
    Malabooga said:
    So at this point you should start explaining WHY something is "cherry picking" and "biased" and WHY something isnt.
    I think you don't understand what "cherry picking" means. It's choosing to tell only the information that makes you or your point of view look good.

    The results of Blender and Handbrake as presented to us by AMD are most likely valid and true. But they represent the best case scenario, how good AMD processors are as told by AMD.


    EDIT: The third party leaked results are more likely unbiased. I'm not accusing those results of being cherry picked, only the ones presented to us by AMD /EDIT
     
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    What about the leaked benchmarks for the RX 480's that showed them almost as fast as the GTX 1080.  Yea those were totally accurate.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    Muke said:
    Malabooga said:
    We now have Blender, hanbrake and third party (though still "leak") cpu mark tests.

    So at this point you should start explaining WHY something is "cherry picking" and "biased" and WHY something isnt.

    In fact AMD chose vendor agnostic open source apps that were never ever classified as "cherry picking" and "biased" and are pretty much always used in CPU reviews and benchmarks AND shared a file used. If they wanted to show things like Intel does they would choose their own sponsored synthetic app like SYSmark.

    "BAPCo has primarily been made up of PC OEMs, along with Intel and other companies."

    this stems all the way back when Intel was convicted for cheating in benchmarks, gimping AMD CPUs with malicious compiler and bribing OEMs. THATS how cherry picked and biased benchmark is done and WHY it is cherry picked and biased lol

    You really don't get it, do you.
    You are so easily to fool because of a few tests.

    Have you seen the Zen work? No.
    have you seen the other Zen iterations work? No.
    Have you seen AMD promote their product? Yes.
    Do you jump on 3rd party benchmarks? Yes.
    Do you fall for the hypetrain? Totally.

    Adding to that: a benchmark score does not really say anything. How does the hardware perform IRL?
    "My Cinebench score was 5000, now I have 8000 and I am in the top 30% of the ppl that uploaded their results, up from 57% earlier."
    Net result: Windows booted 1s faster. $1000 rebuild for that guy. Great. :P

    Still laughing about that one because one of my machines, a gen 4 I5 beats his Skylake machine with ease.

    But back on your claims: all your posts are based on....a few benchmarks you believe 100%.

    I bet you believe all those Youtube benchmark build programs too? Especially the ones that are promoted by companies. Like Linus' and Jayz2cts vids are.
    Those same benchmarks that say Intel had so good performance gains yet instead they were -20% lower then said.

    You also believe Kaby Lake is +15% compared to Skylake? Like Kaby Lake's successor will be another +15%?

    I hope you are right.

    If the Zen is really that good: I will buy the top model myself.

    Just wait till the thing is released, and the real results are in, untill then: your claims are all hot air, especially when seeing you put out all the stops to trash intel and boast about AMD in other threads here and making a fool out of yourself.

    But regarding ZEN being cheaper and better then Intel, We'll see. Again, I hope you are right.

    But having experience with AMD in the past, I think I have a benchmark somewhere (I'll ask Blender if I can't find it) stating AMD added to the Global Heating, I'll hold my reserves about buying one and wait till the REAL reviews are in. You know, buy the actual users instead of PAID promoters.


    And you STILL havent provided single meaningful info WHY are those tests "cherry picked" and "biased"

    you have source code for blender and hanbrake, you have the file used in test, so be my guest, dive into it and report back what makes those programs "cherry picked" and "biased"

    OTOH you mention "SYSmark" which is Intels own rigged benchmark tool

    This discussion isnt JUST for those test, but for when reviews start showing up and people start screaming "its cherry picked" and "biased" like you do now but cant explain why is that so except "it is so"....which of course doesnt make it so lol
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    Vrika said:
    Malabooga said:
    So at this point you should start explaining WHY something is "cherry picking" and "biased" and WHY something isnt.
    I think you don't understand what "cherry picking" means. It's choosing to tell only the information that makes you or your point of view look good.

    The results of Blender and Handbrake as presented to us by AMD are most likely valid and true. But they represent the best case scenario, how good AMD processors are as told by AMD.


    EDIT: The third party leaked results are more likely unbiased. I'm not accusing those results of being cherry picked, only the ones presented to us by AMD /EDIT
    Same as the other guy, you have source code and file used, so examine it all very carefully and report to us why are blender and hadbrake tests "cherry picked" and "biased"

    maybe its exact opposite and those tests are the norm (as in completely vendor agnostic and show real CPU performance) and all other are skewed in some way (on either side)
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    filmoret said:
    What about the leaked benchmarks for the RX 480's that showed them almost as fast as the GTX 1080.  Yea those were totally accurate.
    where are those benchmarks, or youre inventing stuff again as usual?

    Oh i have another great example of cherry picked and biased: NVidia Gameworks titles. WHY? because they contain NVidias black box middleware that ONLY NVidia can access (so neither devs or AMD can optimize it) and that can do....anything really (you cant know because its a black box)
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Malabooga said:
    Muke said:
    Malabooga said:
    We now have Blender, hanbrake and third party (though still "leak") cpu mark tests.

    So at this point you should start explaining WHY something is "cherry picking" and "biased" and WHY something isnt.

    In fact AMD chose vendor agnostic open source apps that were never ever classified as "cherry picking" and "biased" and are pretty much always used in CPU reviews and benchmarks AND shared a file used. If they wanted to show things like Intel does they would choose their own sponsored synthetic app like SYSmark.

    "BAPCo has primarily been made up of PC OEMs, along with Intel and other companies."

    this stems all the way back when Intel was convicted for cheating in benchmarks, gimping AMD CPUs with malicious compiler and bribing OEMs. THATS how cherry picked and biased benchmark is done and WHY it is cherry picked and biased lol

    You really don't get it, do you.
    You are so easily to fool because of a few tests.

    Have you seen the Zen work? No.
    have you seen the other Zen iterations work? No.
    Have you seen AMD promote their product? Yes.
    Do you jump on 3rd party benchmarks? Yes.
    Do you fall for the hypetrain? Totally.

    Adding to that: a benchmark score does not really say anything. How does the hardware perform IRL?
    "My Cinebench score was 5000, now I have 8000 and I am in the top 30% of the ppl that uploaded their results, up from 57% earlier."
    Net result: Windows booted 1s faster. $1000 rebuild for that guy. Great. :P

    Still laughing about that one because one of my machines, a gen 4 I5 beats his Skylake machine with ease.

    But back on your claims: all your posts are based on....a few benchmarks you believe 100%.

    I bet you believe all those Youtube benchmark build programs too? Especially the ones that are promoted by companies. Like Linus' and Jayz2cts vids are.
    Those same benchmarks that say Intel had so good performance gains yet instead they were -20% lower then said.

    You also believe Kaby Lake is +15% compared to Skylake? Like Kaby Lake's successor will be another +15%?

    I hope you are right.

    If the Zen is really that good: I will buy the top model myself.

    Just wait till the thing is released, and the real results are in, untill then: your claims are all hot air, especially when seeing you put out all the stops to trash intel and boast about AMD in other threads here and making a fool out of yourself.

    But regarding ZEN being cheaper and better then Intel, We'll see. Again, I hope you are right.

    But having experience with AMD in the past, I think I have a benchmark somewhere (I'll ask Blender if I can't find it) stating AMD added to the Global Heating, I'll hold my reserves about buying one and wait till the REAL reviews are in. You know, buy the actual users instead of PAID promoters.


    And you STILL havent provided single meaningful info WHY are those tests "cherry picked" and "biased"

    you have source code for blender and hanbrake, you have the file used in tests, so be my guest, dive into it and report back what makes those programs "cherry picked" and "biased"

    OTOH you mention "SYSmark" which is Intels own rigged benchmark tool

    This discussin isnt JUST for those teste, but for when reviews start showing up and people start screaming "its cherry picked" and "biased" like you do now but cant explain why is that so except "it is so"....which of course doesnt make it so lol
    I think the reasons given are fairly clear, whether you accept them or not they are valid reasons for adopting a wait and see attitude, and some unbiased benchmarks will do wonders to back up your arguments Mal, but until then the ones provided by AMD are interesting, but they are not 'unbiased' they are PR/Advertising.
    And as i don't use Intel CPU's myself, i have a 9590, i am interested in the 'real' results as it will heavily influence when i upgrade again. :o
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    edited February 2017
    Malabooga said:
    Muke said:
    Malabooga said:
    We now have Blender, hanbrake and third party (though still "leak") cpu mark tests.

    So at this point you should start explaining WHY something is "cherry picking" and "biased" and WHY something isnt.

    In fact AMD chose vendor agnostic open source apps that were never ever classified as "cherry picking" and "biased" and are pretty much always used in CPU reviews and benchmarks AND shared a file used. If they wanted to show things like Intel does they would choose their own sponsored synthetic app like SYSmark.

    "BAPCo has primarily been made up of PC OEMs, along with Intel and other companies."

    this stems all the way back when Intel was convicted for cheating in benchmarks, gimping AMD CPUs with malicious compiler and bribing OEMs. THATS how cherry picked and biased benchmark is done and WHY it is cherry picked and biased lol

    You really don't get it, do you.
    You are so easily to fool because of a few tests.

    Have you seen the Zen work? No.
    have you seen the other Zen iterations work? No.
    Have you seen AMD promote their product? Yes.
    Do you jump on 3rd party benchmarks? Yes.
    Do you fall for the hypetrain? Totally.

    Adding to that: a benchmark score does not really say anything. How does the hardware perform IRL?
    "My Cinebench score was 5000, now I have 8000 and I am in the top 30% of the ppl that uploaded their results, up from 57% earlier."
    Net result: Windows booted 1s faster. $1000 rebuild for that guy. Great. :P

    Still laughing about that one because one of my machines, a gen 4 I5 beats his Skylake machine with ease.

    But back on your claims: all your posts are based on....a few benchmarks you believe 100%.

    I bet you believe all those Youtube benchmark build programs too? Especially the ones that are promoted by companies. Like Linus' and Jayz2cts vids are.
    Those same benchmarks that say Intel had so good performance gains yet instead they were -20% lower then said.

    You also believe Kaby Lake is +15% compared to Skylake? Like Kaby Lake's successor will be another +15%?

    I hope you are right.

    If the Zen is really that good: I will buy the top model myself.

    Just wait till the thing is released, and the real results are in, untill then: your claims are all hot air, especially when seeing you put out all the stops to trash intel and boast about AMD in other threads here and making a fool out of yourself.

    But regarding ZEN being cheaper and better then Intel, We'll see. Again, I hope you are right.

    But having experience with AMD in the past, I think I have a benchmark somewhere (I'll ask Blender if I can't find it) stating AMD added to the Global Heating, I'll hold my reserves about buying one and wait till the REAL reviews are in. You know, buy the actual users instead of PAID promoters.


    And you STILL havent provided single meaningful info WHY are those tests "cherry picked" and "biased"

    you have source code for blender and hanbrake, you have the file used in tests, so be my guest, dive into it and report back what makes those programs "cherry picked" and "biased"

    OTOH you mention "SYSmark" which is Intels own rigged benchmark tool

    This discussin isnt JUST for those teste, but for when reviews start showing up and people start screaming "its cherry picked" and "biased" like you do now but cant explain why is that so except "it is so"....which of course doesnt make it so lol
    You haven't provided proof that your screenshots are true.
    Did you even read Vrika's remark? He is 100% true.

    Where on every other media those same screenshots are presented as 'mispresented', 'looking through rose tainted glasses' by ppl that DO know their stuff about marketing and hardware unlike you (instead you jump on every AMD-ZEN-INTEL thread on this forum bashing Intel and defending AMD and ppl see that making your claims even more look like a AMD fanboy), I do not have to post proof.

    It did not come to your mind that you might not see all benchmarks, but just the ones that favor Zen? Like Intel does with their product?
    You do not understand that? So if I produce a cpu where it shines in department A, lacks in B, and I only produce the benchmark results in department A for the ppl in the audience?
    You do not see through that? Are you that easily to turn?
    That I use Blender to produce benchmarks and release the ones that make my product look good and I ignore the other ones for the time being?
    You do not see that?

    I have seen ppl posting benchmark screenshots where a Intel i7 destroys other cpus supposed real benchmark scores.
    And then some ppl that did know their stuff saw something.
    The I7 was severely overclocked past 5ghz.
    But the site presenting them made some ppl go totally bananas about "hey Intel's i7 is soooo impressive."
    He did not see the carefully chosen words putting AMD down and did not see the overclocked Intel cpu.
    In short: he jumped on the hype train and was turned to their side sooooo easily.

    Sound familiar?


    I am not saying the said info in your screenshots is wrong. I am saying that you presenting those screenshots as FACTS is not credible.
    And imo it is never smart to jump on a hype train before you know the real deal.

    The fact that you are going all out to defend them for a product that you have not even seen and tested irl is laughable though.

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    And you make an argument that totally destroys your "theory"

    All the FACTS are known:

    Ryzen was running at 3.4 GHz fixed while 6900k was running with its boost clocks and rest of the specification was published by AMD for BOTH rigs (exactly same specs on both rigs)

    Program is there with its source code for anyone to inspect

    File used was shared for anyone to inspect to their hearts delight.

    SO again: WHY are those tests "cherry picked" and "biased" and now "favor Zen" on top of it all

    But thanks you anyway for shooting down your own theory lol

    "I do not have to post proof." HURR DURR

    and what screenshots are you talking about now? ROFL
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    edited February 2017
    Your childish post proofs I am totally right and why others were making fun of you in other threads.

    Don't post about hardware and produce 3rd party rumored benchmarks as facts as you do not know anything or how it works.
    You are either a troll fanboy trying to create a hype train, on AMD's payroll or simply a guy that does not know anything about hardware and marketing. So which one is it?

    You obviously know zilch how marketing works. And it is no use trying to teach it to you because you present yourself like you want to start a discussion, yet you turn into a insulting self entitled kid everytime someone does not agree with you.






    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited February 2017
    Muke said:
    Your childish post proofs I am totally right and why others were makign fun of you in other threads.

    Don't post about hardware when you do not know anything or how it works.

    You obviously know zilch how marketing works. And it is no use trying to teach it to you.


    oh , so posting proof of what you claim is now considered BAD and FUNNY.

    now i completely understand where you are coming from ROFL

    "I do not have to post proof and i make fun of those who do. Dem and their silly proof is so childish, idiot doesnt know internetz debates are based on baseless claims like MINE!" HURR DURR
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