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Pantheon: THE MOST WANTED MMO OF 2017, did you or want to pledge now?

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  • ShaighShaigh Member RarePosts: 2,072
    Vanguard and the parking lot incident. Pantheon running out of money after starting crowdfunding on their site.

    I will do the safe thing and wait for him to actually deliver something before I hand him money.
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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 879
    Not something I do for any game, nor will I ever.

    I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    edited February 2017
    jimmywolf said:
    the fun thing about pessimism is it require nothing but to stay back an wait for something better.


    the game is in alpha yes, so everything looking an playing bad is part of the alpha, it is still been made give it time. i rather be optimistic  that things can only get better versus it only going get worse.
    Yes, but the part you are not mentioning is that they want money now for a product that is bad "now". Might not release for 3 more years, might be a stripped down barely viable product. Not something that is worth paying for at this time.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    Burntvet said:
    jimmywolf said:
    the fun thing about pessimism is it require nothing but to stay back an wait for something better.


    the game is in alpha yes, so everything looking an playing bad is part of the alpha, it is still been made give it time. i rather be optimistic  that things can only get better versus it only going get worse.
    Yes, but the part you are not mentioning is that they want money now for a product that is bad "now". Might not release for 3 more years, might be a stripped down barely viable product. Not something that is worth paying for at this time.
    Part of the game is very playable. We have seen videos and it plays as intended. For people who are fans of this type of game play. Was downright refreshing to watch. Goal is to start Alpha and Beta in 2017. Says so right in their FAQ. Up till now I have not backed a single game. Pantheon is my first and despite the fact I got a copy of the game with my backing, I didnt pledge for that reason. I wanted to have a voice in the game. Im posting on their forums feedback in hopes of shaping Pantheon. It maybe a small voice but its something.

    Also the progress I have seen in the past year has blown my mind. I have been convinced and I was a skeptic on their ability to deliver. So as far as I can see, the game has the support to deliver. They have even grown their number of staff. Seeing all this I feel my pledge is a low risk. One I am glad to take if it helps get me the game I want.
  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    Star Citizen cured me from doing any more pledgeing.
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  • genaknoscgenaknosc Member UncommonPosts: 112
    Saw a video, liked the part where the healer or mage or whatever sat down and stood back up continuously over and over, probably to optimize mana regen or something. How people truly believe this shit is the second coming of amazing MMO gameplay is just mind-boggling. Like it seriously confuses me.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    genaknosc said:
    Saw a video, liked the part where the healer or mage or whatever sat down and stood back up continuously over and over, probably to optimize mana regen or something. How people truly believe this shit is the second coming of amazing MMO gameplay is just mind-boggling. Like it seriously confuses me.
    Did you notice when people sat down to med, team mates started talking and laughing? Hmmm for some I guess that would be a downside. For others....
  • WarEnsembleWarEnsemble Member UncommonPosts: 252
    Early access for $100? Hell no.
  • BlurBlehBlurBleh Member UncommonPosts: 162


    Sums up my experience with many games. 
    So no, I never trust any promises made by any game makers.
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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,336
    Nanfoodle said:
    genaknosc said:
    Saw a video, liked the part where the healer or mage or whatever sat down and stood back up continuously over and over, probably to optimize mana regen or something. How people truly believe this shit is the second coming of amazing MMO gameplay is just mind-boggling. Like it seriously confuses me.
    Did you notice when people sat down to med, team mates started talking and laughing? Hmmm for some I guess that would be a downside. For others....
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  • AmberOakheartAmberOakheart Member CommonPosts: 1
    edited February 2017
    I pledged a year ago, I love MMO's but hate everything currently out there (with dungeon finders, glowing paths to your quests etc), Pantheon looks to be the only thing that's good. Very excited to see where this game develops and to be there for the whole ride. :)
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    Torval said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    genaknosc said:
    Saw a video, liked the part where the healer or mage or whatever sat down and stood back up continuously over and over, probably to optimize mana regen or something. How people truly believe this shit is the second coming of amazing MMO gameplay is just mind-boggling. Like it seriously confuses me.
    Did you notice when people sat down to med, team mates started talking and laughing? Hmmm for some I guess that would be a downside. For others....
    Hey everyone, come sit down for a real bonding and chuckle session. We guarantee you'll get a big warm sweet interior glowing.
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  • pantaropantaro Member RarePosts: 514
    I'll admit right up front i know very little of the game but considering the hype surrounding it i've been making it a point to educate myself lately. still not sure why i should even care all that much just yet but i will say some of the interesting mechanics grab my attention and they do sound great on paper. keeping my eye on it for now
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,586
    The best these guys can hope for is they actually make it. They get a lot of people to buy it before word of mouth spreads about it and sales and player base tanks.

    Theyre relying on an ultra niche here and it going to fail. I said that after the first comments they made. After I stopped laughing at Brad McQuaid being in charge that is.

    You cant have forced grouping PERIOD, most people dont even like to group (even when necessary) in co op activities in games which are much more 'main stream' (Rift, GW2, ESO)

    After they failed at the kickstarter that said enough. But these guys want to make money so bad (without getting actual employment somewhere) they peddle a dream (like so many others) hopping enough suckers will send them money so they can make a living and pretend to make an MMO.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    rodarin said:
    The best these guys can hope for is they actually make it. They get a lot of people to buy it before word of mouth spreads about it and sales and player base tanks.

    Theyre relying on an ultra niche here and it going to fail. I said that after the first comments they made. After I stopped laughing at Brad McQuaid being in charge that is.

    You cant have forced grouping PERIOD, most people dont even like to group (even when necessary) in co op activities in games which are much more 'main stream' (Rift, GW2, ESO)

    After they failed at the kickstarter that said enough. But these guys want to make money so bad (without getting actual employment somewhere) they peddle a dream (like so many others) hopping enough suckers will send them money so they can make a living and pretend to make an MMO.
    There is nothing "ultra niche" about group focused PvE. Pantheon's predecessor had over half a million subs 15 years ago. Quite obviously, the many millions of people who loved the game feel different about grouping. Not to mention the fact that they won't force you to do anything, and some soloing will be viable.

    It appears you may a bit behind on info regarding Pantheon. They currently have quite a few videos that more than demonstrate progress, and the staff are all gainfully employed.


  • AmsaiAmsai Member UncommonPosts: 299
    rodarin said:
    The best these guys can hope for is they actually make it. They get a lot of people to buy it before word of mouth spreads about it and sales and player base tanks.

    Theyre relying on an ultra niche here and it going to fail. I said that after the first comments they made. After I stopped laughing at Brad McQuaid being in charge that is.

    You cant have forced grouping PERIOD, most people dont even like to group (even when necessary) in co op activities in games which are much more 'main stream' (Rift, GW2, ESO)

    After they failed at the kickstarter that said enough. But these guys want to make money so bad (without getting actual employment somewhere) they peddle a dream (like so many others) hopping enough suckers will send them money so they can make a living and pretend to make an MMO.
    So what happens if you are wrong? Do you just find a new MMO to harass or do you continue to tell VR that they are actively failing just because you personally dont like it. Im not claiming there are gonna be millions of players or anything like that. But the way you state things is as if you want it to fail. Why?

    How about we wait and see what they can do? How about we judge the game for how it does post launch?  And if you dont like it, manage to fairly judge it based on what the set out to do. I mean I dont like FFXIV but just because I dont like it doesnt mean I think its a failure. Just because I dont care for it overall doesnt mean I cant like certain things about it.

    But instead you get on here and basically trash them, question their ethics with no real indication that would be an issue, and use kickstarter as an indication that something has failed. And you speak in absolutes. "You cant have forced grouping PERIOD". Really? And you just know this with absolute certainty?



  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,705
    Dullahan said:
    There is nothing "ultra niche" about group focused PvE. Pantheon's predecessor had over half a million subs 15 years ago. Quite obviously, the many millions of people who loved the game feel different about grouping. 
    15 years ago we chose what to play based on what was available at that time. Needing to group to complete most content was not in any way unusual then. It is now.
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  • AmsaiAmsai Member UncommonPosts: 299
    pantaro said:
    I'll admit right up front i know very little of the game but considering the hype surrounding it i've been making it a point to educate myself lately. still not sure why i should even care all that much just yet but i will say some of the interesting mechanics grab my attention and they do sound great on paper. keeping my eye on it for now
    Perfectly reasonable approach. The game isnt going to be for everyone. But I would encourage anyone looking for a more challenging and deeper experience in an MMO to at least give it a try.


  • ThebeastttThebeasttt Member RarePosts: 1,130
    Nope. He said he didn't want solo players playing his game. And while I group 75-80% of the time in an MMO (even WoW I group most of the time), I do NOT support FORCED activity. The only people who like forced grouping are anti-social people who can't properly socialize unless they were forced to, which makes it NOT a social experience when its FORCED.

    So he pretty much said for a huge portion of the playerbase he didn't want their money. No wonder their kickstarter failed.
    I've seen some mindless posts in my day but this one is up there. The less grouping is encouraged, the more social people are? GW2 and TESO would like to have a word with you.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    Iselin said:
    Dullahan said:
    There is nothing "ultra niche" about group focused PvE. Pantheon's predecessor had over half a million subs 15 years ago. Quite obviously, the many millions of people who loved the game feel different about grouping. 
    15 years ago we chose what to play based on what was available at that time. Needing to group to complete most content was not in any way unusual then. It is now.
    I think there is more people sick of the mess twitch combat has given us then you may think. When I talk to MMOers they are look back to the day of Enchanters and Bards. Pick pocketing and back-stabs. Its funny when people make threads asking for your fav thing you did in a MMO. Most stories are about games like DAoC, EQ1, AC, UO. Sometimes going back to your roots is something new and refreshing, if done right. Its kinda like the first time you try fusion style cooking and your favorite food just became your new favorite food. 
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,705
    Nanfoodle said:
    Iselin said:
    Dullahan said:
    There is nothing "ultra niche" about group focused PvE. Pantheon's predecessor had over half a million subs 15 years ago. Quite obviously, the many millions of people who loved the game feel different about grouping. 
    15 years ago we chose what to play based on what was available at that time. Needing to group to complete most content was not in any way unusual then. It is now.
    I think there is more people sick of the mess twitch combat has given us then you may think. When I talk to MMOers they are look back to the day of Enchanters and Bards. Pick pocketing and back-stabs. Its funny when people make threads asking for your fav thing you did in a MMO. Most stories are about games like DAoC, EQ1, AC, UO. Sometimes going back to your roots is something new and refreshing, if done right. Its kinda like the first time you try fusion style cooking and your favorite food just became your new favorite food. 
    I understand the appeal quite well but then, I'm someone who has been playing MMOs for nearly 2 decades. The vast majority of 2017 MMO players have not.

    I have no problem with a retro approach to new MMO development but I am highly doubtful that its appeal today is anything but niche.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    Iselin said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Iselin said:
    Dullahan said:
    There is nothing "ultra niche" about group focused PvE. Pantheon's predecessor had over half a million subs 15 years ago. Quite obviously, the many millions of people who loved the game feel different about grouping. 
    15 years ago we chose what to play based on what was available at that time. Needing to group to complete most content was not in any way unusual then. It is now.
    I think there is more people sick of the mess twitch combat has given us then you may think. When I talk to MMOers they are look back to the day of Enchanters and Bards. Pick pocketing and back-stabs. Its funny when people make threads asking for your fav thing you did in a MMO. Most stories are about games like DAoC, EQ1, AC, UO. Sometimes going back to your roots is something new and refreshing, if done right. Its kinda like the first time you try fusion style cooking and your favorite food just became your new favorite food. 
    I understand the appeal quite well but then, I'm someone who has been playing MMOs for nearly 2 decades. The vast majority of 2017 MMO players have not.

    I have no problem with a retro approach to new MMO development but I am highly doubtful that its appeal today is anything but niche.
    I think you are going back to far. There are many 2004 WoW gamers that no longer have a home because WoW has turned to crap. Classes are a shell of what they used to be. I even think there is many MMOers who has tried the love em and leave em MMOs over the past 6-8 years and are sick of the same rehashed game. Many of them are ready to try something different. Pantheon could be small, it also could be huge. Its all about timing. With whats coming out over the next year or so. Their timing looks good.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    Iselin said:
    Dullahan said:
    There is nothing "ultra niche" about group focused PvE. Pantheon's predecessor had over half a million subs 15 years ago. Quite obviously, the many millions of people who loved the game feel different about grouping. 
    15 years ago we chose what to play based on what was available at that time. Needing to group to complete most content was not in any way unusual then. It is now.
    Actually, it was popular back then too. We did it in single player games. Grouping in a massively multiplayer game will again be popular when the option is available.


  • LoudWisperLoudWisper Member UncommonPosts: 75
    I have pledged to much recently to help fund yet another game.  
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 14,705
    Nanfoodle said:
    Iselin said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Iselin said:
    Dullahan said:
    There is nothing "ultra niche" about group focused PvE. Pantheon's predecessor had over half a million subs 15 years ago. Quite obviously, the many millions of people who loved the game feel different about grouping. 
    15 years ago we chose what to play based on what was available at that time. Needing to group to complete most content was not in any way unusual then. It is now.
    I think there is more people sick of the mess twitch combat has given us then you may think. When I talk to MMOers they are look back to the day of Enchanters and Bards. Pick pocketing and back-stabs. Its funny when people make threads asking for your fav thing you did in a MMO. Most stories are about games like DAoC, EQ1, AC, UO. Sometimes going back to your roots is something new and refreshing, if done right. Its kinda like the first time you try fusion style cooking and your favorite food just became your new favorite food. 
    I understand the appeal quite well but then, I'm someone who has been playing MMOs for nearly 2 decades. The vast majority of 2017 MMO players have not.

    I have no problem with a retro approach to new MMO development but I am highly doubtful that its appeal today is anything but niche.
    I think you are going back to far. There are many 2004 WoW gamers that no longer have a home because WoW has turned to crap. Classes are a shell of what they used to be. I even think there is many MMOers who has tried the love em and leave em MMOs over the past 6-8 years and are sick of the same rehashed game. Many of them are ready to try something different. Pantheon could be small, it also could be huge. Its all about timing. With whats coming out over the next year or so. Their timing looks good.
    I'm not going anywhere except where the poster I was responding to went. Namely "15 years ago."

    And I also played vanilla WOW at release. It was leaps and bounds more solo-friendly and quest-based than anything that came before. It in fact was the start of what is now the norm. I seriously doubt that even the WOW pirate server fans like pre-WOW game play styles because of their love of vanilla WOW.

    15 years ago it was UO, EQ, AC, DAoC, etc. WOW was 13 years ago and Vanguard was 10.
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    "... the "influencers" which is the tech name we call sell outs now..."
    __ Wizardry, 2020
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