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I'll say it again, Pantheon will be huge

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  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534
    edited February 2017
    didn't it already die once?

    "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  • Mylan12Mylan12 Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Gdemami said:
    Mylan12 said:
    Why make any game as most basic ideas have been done in the past and most of those old games are dead.
    You still do not understand the difference, do you?

    There are some old mechanics, that are still popular, some mechanics on the other are indeed dead and no longer preferred by players - EQ.

    Remember, players may whine on forums as much as they want but at the end, they vote with their wallets.
    I understand what you are trying to say but its a bunch of BS.  EQ had a lot of mechanics if you want to call it that and WoW used most of them in its game. Since WoW most games have copied it and the mechanics it used from EQ and a few they developed themselves.
     Does this mean that something WoW decided to use from EQ is the best or only way to do something to be successful, i think not.
      You could say the same about CU, its using some mechanics similar to DAoC and that game is as dead as EQ.   I have not checked but I assume you are posting away on that forum also.

    I understand you don't like the idea of this game at all. Some people don't like group based games and prefer solo based MMORPGs, that is fine they have lots of those to chose from. Some people like easy games, lots of those around also. Some people are not playing any MMORPG as they don't like any of them, perhaps this game will be for them. Perhaps not.

     I not sure why you are even here as it clear this is not your type game. It take a lot less effort for you to go play one of those many "perfect" MMORPGs that use just the mechanics that you approve. I don't think you going to have much success changing this game into one of those.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited February 2017
    Mylan12 said:
    You could say the same about CU
    Indeed all of that applies to CU as well, you seem to be getting a hang of it.
  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    Gdemami said:
    Aelious said:
    To say that there is not an interest in the "old school" model where easy mode is not the main dish served, you're either being intentionally dishonest or unintentionally ignorant.
    Yup, whoever disagree with your biased perception and flawed arguments is intentionally dishonest or unintentionally ignorant.

    Makes sense.
    Nice attempt to bypass my points. I made my case pretty clear and if you don't have counter arguments that's fine but please don't act like all I did was pander to my own opinion.

    In the end if Pantheon doesn't have what you're looking for, don't play. At some point the game will release and we'll indeed see if there is a market for it. I can't wait!
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Dullahan said:
    There is no option to vote for a game like the original EQ with our wallets.
    Of course there is: You either pay for EQ or some other game.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Aelious said:
    Nice attempt to bypass my points.
    Well, apart from one I quoted you didn't make any...
  • Mylan12Mylan12 Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Gdemami said:
    Mylan12 said:
    You could say the same about CU
    Indeed all of that applies to CU as well, you seem to be getting a hang of it.
    LOL Well this game is not going to be FTP no matter how much you complain. Go play a WoW clone but hurry as they are failing right and left. 
    This is my last post in response to you as its never good to feed the trolls as they get too fat, get diabetes, and so forth in a downward spiral.
  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    Gdemami said:
    Aelious said:
    Nice attempt to bypass my points.
    Well, apart from one I quoted you didn't make any...
    Right and you never addressed the two points.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Aelious said:
    Right and you never addressed the two points.
    What points?

    That KS allows production of products people would have never paid for if sold as regular, released products?
    That popularity of private servers is rather an indication of unwillignless to pay?

    It is better to act like you never said something like that...
  • borghive49borghive49 Member RarePosts: 493
    Gdemami said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    literally, creating a niche of a niche in an environment where competition will be higher in the coming year or two. Ideally, if you're going to carve out a little niche for yourself, you'd like to be the only player in that niche, really.
    That is just a misuse/wrong use of the term.  Aiming for low profits/low playerbase isn't niche, that is a failure.

    It is only on these boards, "the nerds", that are so narrow minded they have tendency to put pretty or less pretty labels on everything.

    Average Joes do not care, they play what they find fun and then it is up to devs whether they can successfully cater to their largest audience.
    You realize this is an indie studio right? Maybe getting rich isn't their goal, but just to provide a stable income for themselves while working on something they love to do.
    TheScavenger
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    borghive49 said:
    You realize this is an indie studio right? Maybe getting rich isn't their goal, but just to provide a stable income for themselves while working on something they love to do.
    Getting rich is just a side effect of successfull business and you won't be successful if you ignore your customers and work just for your self-amusement...


  • borghive49borghive49 Member RarePosts: 493
    edited February 2017
    Gdemami said:
    borghive49 said:
    You realize this is an indie studio right? Maybe getting rich isn't their goal, but just to provide a stable income for themselves while working on something they love to do.
    Getting rich is just a side effect of successfull business and you won't be successful if you ignore your customers and work just for your self-amusement...


    This game isn't even out yet and you are here dogging it on the forums lol. Maybe you should wait for it to release and see how it does before you pass judgment? I can't stand people like you, all you want is the same regurgitated s#%t from MMO developers. By the way I run a successful business and I'm not rich, there is more to life than becoming rich lol. 
    TheScavenger
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    borghive49 said:
    I can't stand people like you, all you want is the same regurgitated s#%t from MMO developers. 
    Oh really? Can you actually quote me where I am saying what kind of game I want to play?

    That much to passing judgements...s#%t  indeed.
  • Mylan12Mylan12 Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Gdemami said:
    borghive49 said:
    You realize this is an indie studio right? Maybe getting rich isn't their goal, but just to provide a stable income for themselves while working on something they love to do.
    Getting rich is just a side effect of successfull business and you won't be successful if you ignore your customers and work just for your self-amusement...


    This game isn't even out yet and you are here dogging it on the forums lol. Maybe you should wait for it to release and see how it does before you pass judgment? I can't stand people like you, all you want is the same regurgitated s#%t from MMO developers. By the way I run a successful business and I'm not rich, there is more to life than becoming rich lol. 
    Just do what I did. Gdemami posts add nothing to the discussion and he is just trolling. So to make it easier to read the forum and the posts of the people that are serious about this game, I just expanded my ignore list by one. 
  • borghive49borghive49 Member RarePosts: 493
    Gdemami said:
    borghive49 said:
    I can't stand people like you, all you want is the same regurgitated s#%t from MMO developers. 
    Oh really? Can you actually quote me where I am saying what kind of game I want to play?

    That much to passing judgements...s#%t  indeed.
    Spare me your tripe, your nothing but a big troll here at mmorpg, you downvote almost every post and inject your snarky comments every where, I for one and tired of it. You don't bring anything to the table, except your soulless negative comments,it is exhausting. 
    TheScavenger
  • borghive49borghive49 Member RarePosts: 493
    Mylan12 said:
    Gdemami said:
    borghive49 said:
    You realize this is an indie studio right? Maybe getting rich isn't their goal, but just to provide a stable income for themselves while working on something they love to do.
    Getting rich is just a side effect of successfull business and you won't be successful if you ignore your customers and work just for your self-amusement...


    This game isn't even out yet and you are here dogging it on the forums lol. Maybe you should wait for it to release and see how it does before you pass judgment? I can't stand people like you, all you want is the same regurgitated s#%t from MMO developers. By the way I run a successful business and I'm not rich, there is more to life than becoming rich lol. 
    Just do what I did. Gdemami posts add nothing to the discussion and he is just trolling. So to make it easier to read the forum and the posts of the people that are serious about this game, I just expanded my ignore list by one. 
    Yeah I'm adding him to my ignore list, this guy is a total jerk. I mean look at this profile 500 LOLs that is just awful. 
    TheScavenger
  • AmsaiAmsai Member UncommonPosts: 299
    He apparently has nothing better to do with his time. I myself just cant get enough energy to go to the forums of games I dont play to troll them. If I dont like a game I just dont play it. And I move on. While its true there are no new MMOs that have been launched that I care for and there are several older MMOs that I used to like but are either no longer available or not the same game anymore (FFXI). I still have plenty of single player games I can play and the infrequent online shooter I get roped into by friends. At least until Pantheon comes out. So thats my suggestion Gdemami. Go play something you like. Life is too short to piss it away on a game you dont even care about.


  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    edited February 2017
    Gdemami said:
    Aelious said:
    Right and you never addressed the two points.
    What points?

    That KS allows production of products people would have never paid for if sold as regular, released products?
    That popularity of private servers is rather an indication of unwillignless to pay?

    It is better to act like you never said something like that...
    See? This is progress! You'll be happy to know I don't need to act like I didn't say those things because I actually didn't ;)

    The popularity of KS/EA/Indie products and the decline of released "standard" titles is indicative of a need for diversity in gameplay models. There is only so far a genre can spread it's earning potential (players) on the same type of product before it can't sustain itself.

    The majority of MMOs are F2P so the argument that willingness to pay as the driving force behind private server popularity doesn't hold much weight. I believe it's a pushback to the changes made to these titles in order to pander to the newer model of MMO gameplay, which as mentioned above has become overdone and overloaded.
  • AubearusAubearus Member UncommonPosts: 1
    wanderica said:
    I agree with this, and to take it one step further, I think the game will be better for it.  Pantheon is supposed to be all about community.  It harkens back to a time when everyone knew who their server's "class clown" was; a time when roleplayers weren't strange to see; and a time when large friend lists meant something.  People simply don't want that anymore.  The new way certainly isn't wrong, but it isn't Pantheon's way.  Dying 3 times and deleveling after taking a week to get level 10 just because you attempted to make it to another capital without a high level escort isn't most peoples' cup of tea these days.  I suspect that many players will try it and discover that this type of game is exactly what they've been missing.  However, many will also see it as outdated and purposefully punishing completely missing the point of Pantheon.  The best it can hope for is to start small and grow steadily over time.  Let the game evolve with the players for a change instead of the other way around.
    I've been watching Patheon for a bit now, but have not committed to support the game yet  simply because of being burned in the past by to good to be true startups. If they can truly bring back an EQ type experience as you say i will certainly jump on board. The last part of your statement about starting small might be incorrect from the fact that there might be a lot of people (such as myself) sitting and watching the progress before they finally jump in and commit. What is the timeline on an alpha rollout?  
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited February 2017
    Aelious said:
    The popularity of KS/EA/Indie products and the decline of released "standard" titles is indicative of a need for diversity in gameplay models.
    It isn't, and I explicitely said why.
    Aelious said:
    The majority of MMOs are F2P so the argument that willingness to pay as the driving force behind private server popularity doesn't hold much weight.
    It does since:
    1) Pantheon is not F2P.
    2) Private servers do not have to deal with development costs.
    3) F2P does not mean no income

    Like before, you are still not making any "points"...
  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    Gdemami said:
    Aelious said:
    The popularity of KS/EA/Indie products and the decline of released "standard" titles is indicative of a need for diversity in gameplay models.
    It isn't, and I explicitely said why.
    Aelious said:
    The majority of MMOs are F2P so the argument that willingness to pay as the driving force behind private server popularity doesn't hold much weight.
    It does since:
    1) Pantheon is not F2P.
    2) Private servers do not have to deal with development costs.
    3) F2P does not mean no income

    Like before, you are still not making any "points"...





    I am actually and that point, combining the two concepts, is that there is a player base that would, theoretically, play Pantheon. Does that mean they will? No, nobody knows that but will at some point. 

    It's not negotiable that the current model of MMO gameplay has hit its zenith. Look at the titles coming out that we know of and the growth of current titles. As it is standard models are canabalizing others. New features and meta gameplay are on the horizon. I'm sorry if this hurts the sensibilities of your gameplay of choice but it's been long overdue. Blizzard provided a great run.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,435
    edited February 2017
    Gdemami said:
    borghive49 said:
    I can't stand people like you, all you want is the same regurgitated s#%t from MMO developers. 
    Oh really? Can you actually quote me where I am saying what kind of game I want to play?

    That much to passing judgements...s#%t  indeed.
    I don't believe you've actually ever said what sort of games you currently play, or want to play.

    Pretty sure your not interested in doing either. 

    But here's your chance, put up or shut up :p

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  • JacobinJacobin Member RarePosts: 1,009
    edited February 2017
    There was an option for the market to vote with their wallets for Pantheon. It was called kickstarter and it was an embarrassing failure.

    Why would any dev anywhere want to invest in an old school game after looking at that train wreck?

    Meanwhile Asian casinos....err MMOs are creating overnight millionaires.
  • Raidan_EQRaidan_EQ Member UncommonPosts: 247
    edited February 2017
    Jacobin said:
    There was an option for the market to vote with their wallets for Pantheon. It was called kickstarter and it was an embarrassing failure.

    Why would any dev anywhere want to invest in an old school game after looking at that train wreck?

    Meanwhile Asian casinos....err MMOs are creating overnight millionaires.
    The Kickstarter failed because there was nothing to show. Many supporters at the time (me included) were discouraged because of it.  The Kickstarter would have easily suceeded if the Pantheon developers had their first gameplay stream to show. Since approximately 450k was raised on nothing besides a race/class list and some class descriptions shows there was an interest - especially when the first 200-300k was raised very quickly.  There just wasn't enough info available to sustain that momentum and enthusiasm.

    And, currently, Pantheon's community and interest continues to increase because of continued forward progress. Look at the increased traffic across social media platforms, the official site, etc.

    Anyway, also, a return to old-school mechanics does not equate to meaning completely old school remake.  It means taking what worked, improving on it, and leaving the disaster that are current age "MMOs" behind.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,536
    edited February 2017
    Jacobin said:
    There was an option for the market to vote with their wallets for Pantheon. It was called kickstarter and it was an embarrassing failure.

    Why would any dev anywhere want to invest in an old school game after looking at that train wreck?

    Meanwhile Asian casinos....err MMOs are creating overnight millionaires.
    You're part right. It was a chance to vote with their wallets, but they did fail to produce a compelling reason for a lot of us to pledge at that time. That has since been rectified by way of videos, streams and a lot more information. Now, people are voting with their wallets on a daily basis, based on the continuous stream of players appearing on the official forums.


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