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  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    Kyleran said:

    Dullahan said:
    Most of the games on the list urged their community to vote inhe poll. MMORPG.com also wanted to bring in as many new people as possible by creating more awareness of their site. That was the whole point. Sounds like someone is just upset to see that Pantheon is growing in popularity, despite their secret private knowledge that it's not worthy of it.

    Hype is only bad if it isn't based on reality. My hype for Pantheon is the product of hearing about the game, and then seeing those things in gameplay streams.
    People seem to think there's an unreasonable amount of hype around Patheon.

    Likely 95 out of 100 gamers have never even heard of it, No Man's Sky this title is not.

    Indeed, hopefully not ;)
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    ste2000 said:

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    I never heard such a huge amount of negative posts about a game than what I read about Pantheon, and it's not even in Alpha.<snip>
    I must confess this made me giggle as it suggests the poster hasn't checked out what gets posted about a certain other KS game.

    The sentiment is spot on though. Its hard enough to get new games made as it is without people posting drivel about them over and over and over again.

    Hero's song - dead. The Repopulation - as said in the thread struggling because of negativity in the Steam forums.

    Pantheon offers hope - to some people - of a certain type of game. I will "wait and see" how it turns out but I don't believe it will be for me. I hope - however - that it gets made and it gets launched. 

    Anyway well done to the OP for hyping the game by creating a thread!
  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    I think it's tasteless, when involved in one of those polls, to bandy voters -- unless everyone else on the poll was also doing it. 
    Other than MU I didn't see any of the others do it, but I don't keep up with any of them that closely either.

    That said, I really do not care, because these polls mean absolutely nothing to me.  Just having the name of the game on the poll will get anyone who hasn't heard of the game a chance to view it. 
    You don't really gain anything by winning a random internet poll.  There's nothing at stake but a self-congratulatory pat on the back.

    So, at the end of the day, it's not worth even caring about.
  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    gervaise1 said:
    ste2000 said:

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    I never heard such a huge amount of negative posts about a game than what I read about Pantheon, and it's not even in Alpha.<snip>
    I must confess this made me giggle as it suggests the poster hasn't checked out what gets posted about a certain other KS game.

    If you are referring to Star Citizen, you can't compare the two of them.
    Pantheon criticism is rarely based on the game itself, it is either aimed at his developer for mistakes he made 10 years ago or at the type of game Pantheon belongs to, as many suggest that Old School game simply don't work.

    Star Citizen criticism is based on the current performance of the game, so it's quite relevant.
    With $ 120 Millions of funds CIG have very little to show after 5 years of development and no set date for Squadron 42 and Star Citizen.
    Fans are worried of being scammed as it looks like the game is nowhere near of being released.
    The controversy in that case is quite justified, there is a sense that CIG don't know what is doing and they are spending the money badly, and though I am not suggesting they are using their money for private reasons (though some people are), surely enough it looks like the money is badly managed, and the game might not even release or could be released in an unfinished state.



  • Pyde-PyperPyde-Pyper Member UncommonPosts: 32
    @Aenra ...... I can't believe you posted this as a forum topic. Bad day? Do you live in the real world like the rest of us non-intelligent folks?

    /shaking my head 
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    Lokero said:
    I think it's tasteless, when involved in one of those polls, to bandy voters -- unless everyone else on the poll was also doing it. 
    Other than MU I didn't see any of the others do it, but I don't keep up with any of them that closely either.
    Not only did other games request fans to vote for them, that was likely the goal behind the poll in the first place.


  • HexipoxHexipox Member UncommonPosts: 241
    I dont see the problem... whats wrong about asking your fan base for support?? That's what you have a fan base for, and that is exactly how any superstar use their fans and as they are nominated best artist of the year and win the trophy, they will thank their managers, mom, dad, family "but I would be nothing whiteout my fans, thank you all for voting on me, your the best fans in the world"

    seems to me, that you need to emerge reality and face what a fan horde is and do for a company/idol ..
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,528
    I appreciate an mmo being made the hard way. With cost and politics the way they are, It got to the point it's the only way unless you really like "cash shop Asian grinders" to rule our lives !


    Hype, I'm all for it...........if the game turns out good or bad, its still just advertisement.  For those on the fence, come game time the reality will be leaked anyway.......If it turns out to be bad, as long as they really gave it a go, I see no issue.  As long as we don't get out right ripped off, and this definitely NOT the case !


    Remember, for anyone giving a donation its JUST A DONATION !... It's taking a chance in something you believe in with no guarantee.


    I would much rather developers find any kind of free advertisement they can and the cost going into development.
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,609
    edited January 2017
    Don't get so worked up over something that's nothing more than a popularity contest.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,758
    edited January 2017
    Aenra said:


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    You know, you aren't going to change people except by example and also by not insulting them.

    In truth, you are as much of the "gaming" problem as anyone. You're just a different facet.

    If you want to have a gaming community of people who act like "adults" and who do things intelligently and who participate in intelligent meaningful discussion then you have to "be" that person.

    In any event, the timbre of your post isn't going to convince anyone of your point and if anything will only make them want to be contrary.

    To the point, people are going to act how they are going to act. Especially because, in truth, we arent' part of a club and not everyone wants to participate in a gaming community. They are going to hype things as they see fit, buy things that others don't think have any worth and essentially just be "people".

    I strongly suspect we have been this way since "since" and while things might change for the better in a very slow manner, there are still going to be people who do what they want.
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  • Mylan12Mylan12 Member UncommonPosts: 281
    Just for the record, I voted for Pantheon before I even saw anything about them asking people to vote for it.
    Not that it matters.

  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    I dont think it is wrong for a game developer to point out that his work is up for an award and asking his supporters/backers to help and vote, if they feel his work deserves this recognition.  Why is it so ethically wrong to make sure your backers/supporters are aware of this award nomination?  They are not forcing people to go vote for them, they are not asking them to double/triple vote for them. 

    Of all the issues in the gaming industry, I am baffled why this one deserves your attention. 
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Talonsin said:
    I dont think it is wrong for a game developer to point out that his work is up for an award and asking his supporters/backers to help and vote, if they feel his work deserves this recognition.  Why is it so ethically wrong to make sure your backers/supporters are aware of this award nomination?  They are not forcing people to go vote for them, they are not asking them to double/triple vote for them. 

    Of all the issues in the gaming industry, I am baffled why this one deserves your attention. 

    Totally agree. Also, they could win a hundred awards, but if the game is shit they can't trade those awards in for success. I would expect that a marketing team would ask their community to vote for them if they are nominated for awards. Congrats if they have a community that gives enough "fucks" to actually take action and vote.

    Also, I think it's pretty naive to think that they are SO good at marketing that they did this by themselves. It's ALL about community. If they've created a community that will take action to filter down information to larger communities, good for them. Although in that regard I guess you could say they are good at marketing because they realize that creating an army is better than hiring a thousand generals. 

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 7,224
    I rarely visit official forums for any game, so thanks to the OP, I now know to go upvote Pantheon. So believe it or not, you helped promote the game albeit in a negative way. Marketing is a truly mysterious thing.

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member RarePosts: 3,432
    Aenra said:
    Otherwise known as hypocrisy
    (if like me, you're not a millennial and you use the right word for the right occasion, PC notwithstanding. If this annoys, stick to 'double standards')

    Why double standards/hypocrisy?
    Remember when a couple of months back the SotA devs asked and pleaded for their players to 'upvote' SotA everywhere? Remember the outcry? A rightful outcry too, i protested myself. Even though I AM A 500$ supporter, i complained along with everyone else. Wrong is wrong, we all felt so good stating it.

    (this is where the knowledgeable crowd starts loling, the rest keep reading)

    Except just a few days ago, the Pantheon team did exactly the same thing. Proper official post, typed by the head of PR, in the --official-- announcements sub forum, asking us to do what? You guessed it; "help" them by ""upvoting"" their game.
    Now that it's done, all i see is hoorays and congratulatory pats on the back. All's fine in the Shire. Ben (aforementioned head of PR) even posted back in that thread, thanking them all for their efforts!!! We now even have a proper new thread, where we can all tell each other how awesomuzzz we arez!
    (no, i didn't """help""", not like that. I helped with my money, fair. Transparent)
    (yes, i am a backer. 300$ tier. So no, i am NOT a 'hater')

    And because most of you are children/mentally underdeveloped:
    A resounding YES, i support Pantheon, a resounding YES, i wish them the very best.
    But my ethics, my sense of right and wrong..they just are. Sans "exceptions". This was pure manipulation; the key tool of hype. And we all know about hype.

    Since when can the little people use every tool at their disposal without even a social hiccup and the others cannot?
    More to it, when will you (those of you that are) fanboys CEASE being fanboys and start being functioning individuals?

    Am i honestly the only one annoyed by all this?
    Ahhh didums, it's so unfair lol. 

    Seriously is life that shallow that this means that much to you that you make a thread. 

    I don't even believe you are a backer but if you are, so freaking what. 




  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    edited January 2017
    Aenra said:
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    You want the game community to behave like adults?
    Have you read your posts?
    Talk about hypocrisy dude....you are the epitome of hypocrisy.
    It's funny that you think that people should listen to you, a fish has more interesting things to say than you do.

    By the way I want to know if now it is allowed to freely insult people on this Forum, so I can act accordingly (of course I am gonna say sorry afterwards to make things better).

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  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,534
    I doubt even OP's mom thinks as highly of him as he thinks of himself.


  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,182
    edited January 2017
    Sovrath said:
    Are the people who criticized the up-voting in the first place the exact same people who are excited over the same with Pantheon?

    If so you have a solid argument. Otherwise all you are seeing is that there is a group who are excited over Pantheon up-voting and they are completely separate from the other.
    Many people don't consider this before they rant on and on about their "gotcha" moment.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,483
    Aenra said:
    Thanks for responding everyone;

    The majority of you missed the point entirely.. which is not surprising, considering the audience. Insults are rarely taken well, granted, but point still stands. This is a market catering primarily to juveniles (regardless of age..) and there's a price for that.
    I am aware it was not against any 'rules'. I am aware that 'others do/have done it as well'. I am aware of the concept of free speech, taking an initiative, etc. I can also understand why some do not even comprehend why "i'm getting so worked up over this".

    To reiterate and expand further as it seems even the obvious needs be stated.

    You, you, are ruining this market with this kind of behavior. Not the devs, not the publishers. You. The retards (people you see judge based on facts; retards just hype). Again insulting, apologies, but true nonetheless. I like things in the open :)
    You ruin this market; by doing the PR machine's work for free, on your own, and with a dedication and strength of intent unmatched by any professional PR spinner.
    Everytime you do this, everytime you decide, years in advance, that 'x' product is P-E-R-F-E-C-T, in advance, the bar stays where it is. Because the audience stays where it is.
    Because drones such as you brain wash over and over and over. Because second parties cashing in on this hobby (such as this very site) pick up on it and cater to you further, else money is lost.

    Said it in a different Pantheon thread, have literally, entirely given up on MMORPGs. Pantheon is pretty much gonna be it for me, win or lose. So my hopes are very high. My hopes.
    NOT my expectations.

    When you gulp down every tidbit of useless, senseless trivia they serve you, when you decide, sans the evidence, that something IS awesome (not will be, IS, and never mind it's not even out yet) no one needs to improve. No one needs to try harder. No one needs to compete. No one even needs to convince. You do it FOR THEM...
    You think of all this and then you think of all the shit that's come out in this genre, 'old school' included.

    See if the dots match.
    Went back and checked the OP, pretty much a pointless rant, so no harm done if people missed it.

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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,476
    edited January 2017
    Sorry, I am too busy hand wringing over real life voting results to worry about who votes for a video game. 

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Member UncommonPosts: 654
    I had to check Pantheon's forums to see what all the fuss was about and I'm sorry OP I think you must have too much time on your hands if you think this is a serious problem within gaming. 

    Years ago it used to be a running joke on this site that Eve would win all of the readers choice awards due to all of the Eve players descending on this site.  Last year or the year before you had the leads from ESO asking players to vote in the awards.

    All this does is allow a game to get a bit of free advertising and build some awareness for the game.  It's also just a bit of fun for the (insert name) community. 
  • Scott23Scott23 Member UncommonPosts: 293
    Aenra said:
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    Am i honestly the only one annoyed by all this?
    Judging by the responses I would say "Yes, you are the only one annoyed by all of this."
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 6,528
    edited January 2017
    Aenra said:
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    1) This site is simply another past time for all of us, just like anything else anyone is interested in on the internet.

    2) It's all about opinions, One thing is FACT everyone will do what their gonna do anyway.

    3) This site makes a very small percentage of the mmo community.

    4) You can learn a lot here from reading between the lines ( good and bad ).  You will never get the truth from larger mainstream marketing. FAKE NEWS !!!!!! 

    5) You, you have 46 post here on this site, so you must find something interesting about what we say, If your like the average person you spent time larking before posting.  Add that you actually joined this site, this shows your turning into one of us with opinions ( good or bad ).

    6) Some games need to be bashed !

    7) Are we guessing about the future ?.........We sure are and we love it :)
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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,997
    Devs trying to promote their game ... Shocker!

    Only issue here exists in your heads.

    You stay sassy!

  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 1,987
    edited January 2017
    I don't think they need to do this. Anyone who keeps up with MMO's knows about the game already and if the game is good people will find/play it.
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