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Is Legion the best PAID expansion for any MMO?

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  • TholdarianTholdarian Member UncommonPosts: 67
    Aori said:
    TBC is still my #1 paid expansion, nothing beats the experience then.

    New features and systems included
    Heroic dungeons
    Flying mounts(To my knowledge a first in any borderless world.)
    Arena's
    Battlegroups
    LFG tool
    Voice chat(yes it was a thing and some people actually used it)

    A lot of its core mainstay features came about in TBC, it is hard to top it.

    Aside from the new stuff, it was just full of content, plenty to do similar to Legion but not quite the same. In TBC I was steadily working towards a goal at a nice rate. Working towards a flying mount was quite the goal and well worth it, I mean it was NEW, we've never flown off a path before!

    Legion is more stop and go, there is nothing really steady about this current expansion.

    Also Halaa and Hellfire outposts were the best examples of how world pvp objectives could work in WoW, Blizzard never really replicated it. I and many others really enjoyed those. Legions world PvP stuff is a joke, I just don't get it.

    Not taking away from everything you've said (and there are many good and valid things), but the first MMORPG, to my knowledge, to allow flying through a borderless, but indeed way smaller than WoW's world was FlyFF. Hate it or love it, this little game introduced flying as its main feature in as early as 2004 (going from the korean release).
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 2,912
    dark and light had flying too , dunno if it was the 1 ....

    Legion is good , but far from the best no even top 5


  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    edited November 2016
    Better than Draenor and Cataclysm, no doubt.

    Better than Pandaria too, even though I enjoyed that one.

    Better than TBC too, the content was nice but I hated the setting and the land design. Being stuck in ugly outlands so long was terrible (even though Shadowmoon and Nagrand were a bit better than the rest). The only redeeming qualities were Karazhan and the PvP which was amazingly fun during that time.

    But not better than WotLK.

    To me:
    1) WotLK (no contest)
    2) Legion (so far, I hope it doesn't go down the drain later)
    3) Pandaria
    4) Burning Crusade
    5) Draenor
    6) Cataclysm (the only WoW expansion where I actually completely stopped playing during a longer time).

    That's just for WoW. I don't see any expansion of any other of the many MMORPGs I've played that is as good and epic as WotLK.

    I'm actually appalled that people mention "Mines of the Moria" in LOTRO. Turbine managed to take the most epic gigantic dungeon ever, and make it feel... FLAT! Yep, you had no levels, the whole Moria was a flat map. There were some illusions of levels with more or less "clever" teleports, like falling into a well, but even that felt (and was!) fake. And don't get me started on the failure that were the "legendary" weapons back then... at least Legion managed to take that concept (very remotely, just the base idea) and do it right.

    A few other great expansions would be UO:Renaissance (basically saved the game), Asheron's Call: Dark Majesty (AC1 was a special game anyway, you had a FREE content patch every month), and SWG: Jump to Lightspeed.
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  • raystantzraystantz Final Fantasy XI CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,237
    I'm with The Burning Crusade on this one. If only for the social experience I had waiting in line at midnight to buy it. I don't think the game itself was that great given everything, but at that time MMO players socializing was at an all time high and it will forever go down as one of the best experiences had in that game. Now, not so much. I tried going back just before Legion and was bored to tears.. Dungeon Finder completely destroyed that game for me. 

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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    raystantz said:
    I I tried going back just before Legion and was bored to tears..
    Interestingly, WoW is still your most played recent game according to Raptr... not bad for a game that bores you to tears ;)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,372
    edited December 2016
    Normally I hate expansions, more often than not they take a MMORPG I really enjoy playing and change it into something that makes me quit the game.:/

    With WOW it was TBC, and later when I came back for Cataclysm, both far different and less enjoyable than Vanilla which I was still having a great time in for the 1st two years after launch.

    DAOC had my favorite expansion, Shrouded Isles which added a huge new world to explore, great new classes, really fleshed out the realm abilities and I feel when PVP was at its best. 

    There's a private server currently in beta which is based on a rule set shortly after SIs launch which I'll be revisiting once they stop wiping progression and go live.

    DAOC also has the honor of two of my most hated expansions, Trials of Atlantis and New Frontiers. Made me quit and go play L2 for about 6 months before WOWs launch.

    Truthfully, since those early days, the only MMORPG I've played long enough to see an expansion in is EVE.

    Every other MMORPG I've tried has failed to keep my interest past the first 3 months and I've never gone back to them due to my "one and done" policy I've adopted once I'm "finished" with a game.

    Sometimes though I've wondered if some games might have improved after launch with expansions and what not (ESO, AA being the most recent) but so far have never revisted.

    Mostly this is because outside of WOW and EVE back in the day there is little evidence most games have increased their player bases with expansions, so I figure they still are lacking.

    EVE's an interesting exception. I don't have a favorite or least favorite expansion. Despite the many changes and additions since I first joined, the game always remains the same game I first enjoyed and still do today.

    I will qualify it however, so far I loathe the changes they made to to mining boosting ships in this most recent expansion, enough so that I will quit mining after over 2 years of focus on move on to carrier ratting.  I'll also not be renewing my annual subs on 3 of my 6 accounts as well. (Good job CCP, saving me some money so I can play other games) ;)



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  • CaffynatedCaffynated Member RarePosts: 555
    How about no. WoW hasn't been the best of anything for a very long time. If they had any sense they would release vanilla and legacy progression servers to let people experience WoW when it was actually a great game instead of trying to leech every last cent out of her, like a Russian pimp working his toothless old whore to death.

  • Clypto75Clypto75 Member UncommonPosts: 70
    lol Well it couldnt of been worse the WoD. I felt like they spent all that time from WoD developing Legion instead so yea, has to be better. Best WoW exp? Nah, TBC by far for me. I know a lot like WotLK and it was good in the first to mid part - the last part is when the group finders came and that stupid TotC raid. 

    Went to the private scene, love it - could not be happier.
  • FuryVFuryV Member UncommonPosts: 457
    Loke666 said:
    Guildwars: Nightfall is the best paid expansion for any MMO... The number of zones and new content was just staggering. 

    In any measurable way it must be by far the most massive (5 new regions, 2 new classes, heroes, loads of new skill and so on). For it's release price nothing ever been close in value.
    Wholeheartedly agree.  Well said ;)
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614

    top off all other paid expansions for MMOs?
    If WoW would be the only MMO out there, yes.

    But it isn't.

    So no.

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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Delphos said:
    Legion is by far the best WoW expac, but it's not even near being the best expac of all. Planes of Power from EQ1, Echoes of Faydwer and Rise of Kunark from EQ2 and Mines of Moria from Lotro are far better than Legion to name a few. And if you consider A Realm Reborn as expac, witch imho its pretty fair, FF XIV: ARR is by far the best expansion ever made.
    Just a thought experiment: what did you say about the last expansion a few months after release (if you remember)? and what was your score just before Legions pre-patch?

    I seriously don't think anyone should judge an expansion until the next pre-patch comes out, it is not just about what happens on launch day but content patches, issues and long term fun during (the in Wows general pace) the 2 years the expansion is running. Of course you might very well still think it is the best ever but then you do it with perspective. Comparing a few months in one expansion with 2 years in another gives a faulty perspective. What really killed the last expansion was the very long content patch gap at the end, heck, it even made Ford speak of "Borecraft"and that says a lot.

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  • unfilteredJWunfilteredJW Member UncommonPosts: 310
    It's close for me. It's just ruined with the RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG. It's like someone made the best soup ever and then dumped a box of rock salt in.

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  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    Phry said:
    Legion, frankly helped me give up WoW very quickly, by comparison WoD was a better expac, the single worst feature of Legion was imo the artifact weapons and the changes to the classes
    My favourite classes such as Hunter - Beast spec, Warlock - Affliction spec, Mage - Arcane spec, were turned into abominations that honestly i could no longer bear to play.

    Exactly.
    Blizzard experimenting with Classes is starting to get on everyone's tits, quite frankly.

  • PAL-18PAL-18 Member UncommonPosts: 844
    edited December 2016
    Since so many servers went to low pop because how bad Legion is,it is easy to say that it is not the best expansion,it is  more closer to worst expansion ever.When pruning and dumbing down is too much for even average WoW player,this happens https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/game/status  

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,829
    Guild Wars: Eye of the North was, to me, the best MMO expansion ever.


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  • mentoplusmentoplus Member UncommonPosts: 73
    no game is even close to the awesome exp that chains of promathia was, so my vote is on ff xi
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,552
    Scaled leveling is one of the worst ideas to ever hot the rpg genre.Say goodbye to immersion but i guess with instance raiding and tons of the other content ideas ,Blizzard never realized they were suppose to be making a role playing game and threw immersion completely out the window.
    Random events,only good if they make sense both with the story/game and not some random idea that just pops up out of nowhere,again that points to the immersion factor which every single one of these games should have.

    Still has the immersion breaking,hand holding big yellow ! over npc heads and still has the hand holding marker immediately placed on the map so you don't think,just vee line for that yellow  map marker,yep still no clue how to create an immersive rpg.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,552
    mentoplus said:
    no game is even close to the awesome exp that chains of promathia was, so my vote is on ff xi
    I agree FFXI were great expansions but to be fair versus other games and to prove i am not some crazy fanbois that doesn't know wtf he is talking about,i always had a complaint that SE never gave FFXI more mounts and water zones and voice overs,but they did everything else really well and imo better than every other mmorpg.Also FFXI geared more towards open world content and tougher open world combat than any other and to me that is where the content SHOULD be,not in some instance dungeon.

    EQ2 also mentioned,another game i played a lot of ,yes they had decently big expansions but not overall very good,just a lot like Wow in overall game design with the hand holding and many immersion breaking ideas.However EQ2 always outshone Wow because always adding housing and new furniture added a lot more depth to crafting and the overall game.
    BTW EQ2 was the first to try scaling with Splitpaw saga and it was proven to be utter crap,probably the worst expansion to ever hit EQ2.

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  • WarlyxWarlyx Member RarePosts: 2,912
    Wizardry said:
    mentoplus said:
    no game is even close to the awesome exp that chains of promathia was, so my vote is on ff xi
    I agree FFXI were great expansions but to be fair versus other games and to prove i am not some crazy fanbois that doesn't know wtf he is talking about,i always had a complaint that SE never gave FFXI more mounts and water zones and voice overs,but they did everything else really well and imo better than every other mmorpg.Also FFXI geared more towards open world content and tougher open world combat than any other and to me that is where the content SHOULD be,not in some instance dungeon.

    well FFXI has now tons of mounts , and water zones? ehm what aboy "sea" and in Toau Undersea ruins :o

    i dont agree with open world content for endgame , that only cause issues.

    btw they are adding swimming , diving to FFXIV come bloodstorm (finally ¬¬)
  • ThaneThane Member RarePosts: 3,446
    too much opinions here, not enough facts.

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  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,562
    Thane said:
    too much opinions here, not enough facts.
    True, but if we're going by opinion, I'd say that Legion is pretty high up there. Do we count the "Campaigns" of Guild Wars 1? If so, there were some great ones back then too.


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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    Thane said:
    too much opinions here, not enough facts.
    You are surprised that in a thread like this one, people give their opinions?
    Seriously?
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,070
    edited December 2016
    Guild Wars: Eye of the North was, to me, the best MMO expansion ever.


    I have yet to play EotN, but if the standalone campaigns from GW1 count as expansions then thats my answer, no doubt.




  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 6,625
    This expansion does some things right or at least steps in the right direction, but its definitely not the best paid expansion. This done right (or attempted) are the world quests and the idea of some form of continuous progression past level cap (artifact power isn't exactly the best thing but you have to commend blizzard for doing something outside of what they usually do, unless you want to relate it to D3's system). The class changes (with even more coming in 7.1.5), zone scaling (bit on the fence for this one), garrison-lite called class halls, and on rails quest-to-level design were definitely weaker parts.

    The only thing WoD did right was the leveling and it actually made me want to go to WoD because of the control of leveling I had with it. I could quest if I wanted or just go around and kill rares/find chests to level up while also getting geared at the same time. Legion should've definitely taken away from how MoP handled rep, with allowing people to buy account-wide boost for that faction that doubled rep gain once you reached a certain rank with them. There were also the reps associated with your first dungeon of the day that allowed you to get rep with a faction of your choice. Couple that with making tabards actually useful again instead of pure vaniety would help with the rep grind and make it feel less grindy when you have to do it on every character if you care about advancing your crafts with them. Which is another huge flaw of Legion, the heavy incorporation of crafts into battle content. I dont know about others, but some classes I would have certain professions with but never really cared to do everything with that class. So I might have an Arms Warrior that has BS but I only use it for pvp, not pve. Thanks to the crafting encorporation into raiding/dungeons, well guess I have to do pve on warrior or reroll BS on someone else. I guess the only good thing in this regard is that you know whatever crafting you do in expansion won't matter in the next since they seem to keep resetting it.
  • MoodsorMoodsor Member UncommonPosts: 705
    edited December 2016
    For me its a tie between Heavensward and Legion. And im super excited for Stormblood next year.

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