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"Battered & Bruised" Nostalrius Server to Launch Dec 17 - World of Warcraft News

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,451

    What I find the most interesting about all of the hullabaloo surrounding the resurrection of Nost is that while so many people here are losing their shit over it, nobody has uttered a single peep about any other renegade server games. SWG, Warhammer Online, UO, EQ, DAOC, all of these games have or at least had EMU servers, yet not only do people here, even the people who work at this very site, bad mouth any of those, they've even on occasion spoken of them fondly.

    Now call me crazy but why do they get a free pass? All of them still use assets created by someone else. All of them are tied to an IP that they aren't paying a license fee for. What's the fucking difference? And don't give me the bullshit answer that's its because the games are no longer available to play. Why? Well first off EQ, UO, and DAOC are still very much alive, not the same game they used to be maybe, but then of course neither is World of Warcraft. And SWG and WH Online may be very much dead, but the IP licenses they are based on are still very much alive and very very profitable. So again what is the fucking difference, well other than the obvious hashtag warrior lynch mob mentality that is so sadly prevalent these days, not to mention a massive amount of hypocrisy.
    Now, now, of course they don't get a free pass. This is the one being discussed.

    It's not like the people against this are saying "well, this server must be stopped but x, y and z servers are all ok".

    List "x, y and z servers" and they would also be criticized. At least as far as the World of Warcraft servers out there.

     As far as other servers I think you would find some sort of split as far as people for, against and those who don't care.





  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,910
    edited December 2016
    Sovrath said:

    What I find the most interesting about all of the hullabaloo surrounding the resurrection of Nost is that while so many people here are losing their shit over it, nobody has uttered a single peep about any other renegade server games. SWG, Warhammer Online, UO, EQ, DAOC, all of these games have or at least had EMU servers, yet not only do people here, even the people who work at this very site, bad mouth any of those, they've even on occasion spoken of them fondly.

    Now call me crazy but why do they get a free pass? All of them still use assets created by someone else. All of them are tied to an IP that they aren't paying a license fee for. What's the fucking difference? And don't give me the bullshit answer that's its because the games are no longer available to play. Why? Well first off EQ, UO, and DAOC are still very much alive, not the same game they used to be maybe, but then of course neither is World of Warcraft. And SWG and WH Online may be very much dead, but the IP licenses they are based on are still very much alive and very very profitable. So again what is the fucking difference, well other than the obvious hashtag warrior lynch mob mentality that is so sadly prevalent these days, not to mention a massive amount of hypocrisy.
    Now, now, of course they don't get a free pass. This is the one being discussed.

    It's not like the people against this are saying "well, this server must be stopped but x, y and z servers are all ok".

    List "x, y and z servers" and they would also be criticized. At least as far as the World of Warcraft servers out there.

     As far as other servers I think you would find some sort of split as far as people for, against and those who don't care.


    well EQ and UO have pretty much said go ahead have fun , Its there IP and there's to permit it,SWP and War have no servers running and have little ground to stand on without it ..

     DAOC i cant answer for

      ANd ATVi/Blizz have said dont do it , and its there right to say so , and follow up with any means necassary
  • HordefallHordefall Member CommonPosts: 3
    Deekins said:
    Hordefall said:

    Deekins said:


    toolak said:

    The difference between Nost and Ely is that the former took donations, which by law you cannot do. Elysium does not take any donations. It's 100% free work by their team. And that falls into a legal grey area that blizzard hasn't touched yet, and most likely never will until they release their own vanilla servers. These guys are doing good work for FREE and you knock them. You lemming train millennials need to just go back to playing current WoW aka Diablo 4 with a crappy storyline and no potion bar.


    I love how you just assume we are all millennials when we don't agree with someone stealing someone else's IP. That's pretty good right there. Don't agree with your side we are all just entitled people against those that want what they want. The irony here is pretty good. You and the ilk that are trying to get everything for free are the, as you put it, lemming train millennials.

    It doesn't matter if they are doing it all for free they are using someone else's IP. That alone is enough to sue them into oblivion. There is a reason there are IP infringement laws. They are stealing, regardless of what you and all the other people here condoning theft seem to think.

    When Blizzard finally shuts down WoW, then there maybe a different discussion. But since WoW is still going, this is 100% theft. 



    What the hell is wrong with you? First off the word stealing. Doesn't matter what anyone thinks, words mean things. It is not stealing if the original possessor still has the thing. Stealing was already against the law - if it was stealing then we wouldn't have needed the new IP infringement laws that you yourself mention. You can't even keep your own false narrative straight.

    So you mean it is "like" stealing, because Blizzard is not getting the money out of me that they would have gotten. False assumption. I don't want to buy the game they are selling today, so there is no chance of them making a sale. Not sure why I say it that way - I already bought everything except Legion - They've gotten well over a grand out of me over the years.

    Who is ripping who off here? I just want to play the silly video game I bought for a thousand bucks and invested years into, and I am ripping them off? And you calling me a thief really pisses me off.
    It is stealing. It is theft of an IP. You don't like being called a thief..don't steal. I don't care how much it pisses you off, stealing something is what thieves do.

    Just because you don't like the game it has become doesn't negate the fact it is still going in a different fashion, but same game. The damned box even says gameplay may change.

    IP infringements can mean stealing things inside the IP too. And they are using the IP name, characters, items and everything in between. So in this case it doesn't matter if they aren't paying, it is theft.
    I paid a thousand bucks for a thing, had that thing taken from me, and I'm the thief. It's a weird Orwellian world that you have created here. 
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,910
    edited December 2016
    Hordefall said:
    Deekins said:
    Hordefall said:

    Deekins said:


    toolak said:

    The difference between Nost and Ely is that the former took donations, which by law you cannot do. Elysium does not take any donations. It's 100% free work by their team. And that falls into a legal grey area that blizzard hasn't touched yet, and most likely never will until they release their own vanilla servers. These guys are doing good work for FREE and you knock them. You lemming train millennials need to just go back to playing current WoW aka Diablo 4 with a crappy storyline and no potion bar.


    I love how you just assume we are all millennials when we don't agree with someone stealing someone else's IP. That's pretty good right there. Don't agree with your side we are all just entitled people against those that want what they want. The irony here is pretty good. You and the ilk that are trying to get everything for free are the, as you put it, lemming train millennials.

    It doesn't matter if they are doing it all for free they are using someone else's IP. That alone is enough to sue them into oblivion. There is a reason there are IP infringement laws. They are stealing, regardless of what you and all the other people here condoning theft seem to think.

    When Blizzard finally shuts down WoW, then there maybe a different discussion. But since WoW is still going, this is 100% theft. 



    What the hell is wrong with you? First off the word stealing. Doesn't matter what anyone thinks, words mean things. It is not stealing if the original possessor still has the thing. Stealing was already against the law - if it was stealing then we wouldn't have needed the new IP infringement laws that you yourself mention. You can't even keep your own false narrative straight.

    So you mean it is "like" stealing, because Blizzard is not getting the money out of me that they would have gotten. False assumption. I don't want to buy the game they are selling today, so there is no chance of them making a sale. Not sure why I say it that way - I already bought everything except Legion - They've gotten well over a grand out of me over the years.

    Who is ripping who off here? I just want to play the silly video game I bought for a thousand bucks and invested years into, and I am ripping them off? And you calling me a thief really pisses me off.
    It is stealing. It is theft of an IP. You don't like being called a thief..don't steal. I don't care how much it pisses you off, stealing something is what thieves do.

    Just because you don't like the game it has become doesn't negate the fact it is still going in a different fashion, but same game. The damned box even says gameplay may change.

    IP infringements can mean stealing things inside the IP too. And they are using the IP name, characters, items and everything in between. So in this case it doesn't matter if they aren't paying, it is theft.
    I paid a thousand bucks for a thing, had that thing taken from me, and I'm the thief. It's a weird Orwellian world that you have created here. 
    The agreement you clicked on everyday was to rent the product ... while paying a sub , Now you are a common thief
  • DairiosDairios Member UncommonPosts: 13
    An important detail I see being left out is that, Blizzard -has- to step in and give a cease and desist. Not protecting your assets/IP from a public infringement of it such as Nostralius or in this case, Elysium, could result in the loss of copyright protection for Blizzard for the World of Warcraft brand. They have to step in and actively protect it, else they risk losing it. That's how Copyright and Intellectual Property laws work.
  • naaminaami Member UncommonPosts: 216
    Yay! Looking forward to playing it :)
  • HordefallHordefall Member CommonPosts: 3
    Dairios said:
    An important detail I see being left out is that, Blizzard -has- to step in and give a cease and desist. Not protecting your assets/IP from a public infringement of it such as Nostralius or in this case, Elysium, could result in the loss of copyright protection for Blizzard for the World of Warcraft brand. They have to step in and actively protect it, else they risk losing it. That's how Copyright and Intellectual Property laws work.
    Not true. That happened to Kleenex, long ago. That is where the case law stands, but it is not like this, or anything close, has ever been tested in court. 
    Blizzard doesn't have damages. Puffs was making tons of money, so Kleenex had potential damages. You sort of need damages to get a judge to listen to you. 
    Now of course, if I was them, I would send the cease and desist anyway, just in case in the future we enter bizzaro universe and Elysium makes a small fortune at my expense.
    But then again, if I was them, then they wouldn't be the giant evil corporation that bought Blizzard in the first place.
  • XatshXatsh Member UncommonPosts: 332
    Not going to get into the morals of private servers. It is IP theft no question about that.

    But this is as simple as there being a demand for a product and it simple not being offered. People will get the product they want one way or another.

    Honestly I feel bliz is stupid that they are turning away a player base that is larger then many major mmos out today who want to play the original concept of WoW and not modern much more casual version. They had a letter with over 200k people asking for private servers and their response was more or less play legion.

    Honestly as a gamer I say thank you to the private servers for offering a game that no longer exist and allowing us to play what defined the genre as a whole. Outside the character models and world WoW today is a completely different game from yesterday.

    And to most people saying people are playing private servers because they do not way to pay. I find this to rarely be the case in these legacy servers, and not just the WoW ones. Most would drop them in a second if an official p2p server that was not modified from the vanilla game was launched.

    As a company Blizz does has a duty to defends its IP. But it is stupid to keep shutting down these massive private servers with 200k+ people wanting to play vanilla WoW and not profit from it by releasing it yourself. They are basically saying screw your millions of dollars a  month we do not want it. As a company that is for profit why the hell would you throw away that much money.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    edited December 2016
    Xodic said:
    You mean changing the way companies look and listen to players?

    It is their legal right to go after these guys, of course it is. It goes against their interests to do nothing, but it goes against all player's interests to want the people behind this server crucified.
    This is the part that baffles me about the Nost hate-mongering: how many people really think anyone at Activision Blizzard is in the back of the profit meetings going: "Yea guys, but those lottery RNG tactics have been found to be psychologically addictive in clinical studies.  Including it in our game to tempt players into giving us more money is wrong!"

    For the second time, the relationship between consumer and producer, specifically in a capitalistic society, is adversarial.  Each wants what they can get from the other for as little cost as possible.  So, while we can all agree that Nost was doing something illegal, the moral outrage that has gone along with it from many seems strangely masochistic.

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  • adamlotus75adamlotus75 Member UncommonPosts: 387
    Blizzard HAVE to sue to protect their IP or it sets a precedent and grants a free license for anyone else to use Warcraft.

    This isnt about greed, its about 'Ferrari stopping other people making and selling Ferraris'.
  • sayuusayuu Member RarePosts: 747
    edited December 2016
    I dunno.

    Everyone is shouting IP THEFT left and right around here, yet not once have I seen mention of the semi-new provisions in  the US' DMCA in regards to online games or online services that are no longer available.

    If Nost went to court they would have to prove that the original owner no longer provides the game in question. What is interesting is that one can logically argue that while WoW 7.0 is still WoW, WoW 1.12 is ALSO WoW but is no longer available by the owners choice. Also much of the art assets used in 1.12 has also been abandoned for newer models as WoW has trudged on over the years.

    it would be an interesting case, as it would be the first use of the new provisions to prove legality on behalf of non-profit entity for a game that is still in service yet does not provide access to an older version of said service.


    so it is not a clear case of IP theft, nor is it a certainty that the Emulated server is legal. Mainly because such an occurrence has not gone to trial under the new DMCA provisions to give legal precedent.


    P.S.
    Blizzard HAVE to sue to protect their IP or it sets a precedent and grants a free license for anyone else to use Warcraft.

    This isnt about greed, its about 'Ferrari stopping other people making and selling Ferraris'.

    It is about greed, Ferrari stops others from making Ferraris' because then they can overprice their product due to brand recognition. Which is fine by the way, Ferrari is a for profit company after all and therefore entirely motivated by greed. . . 
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,167
    sayuu said:
    I dunno.

    Everyone is shouting IP THEFT left and right around here, yet not once have I seen mention of the semi-new provisions in  the US' DMCA in regards to online games or online services that are no longer available.

    If Nost went to court they would have to prove that the original owner no longer provides the game in question. What is interesting is that one can logically argue that while WoW 7.0 is still WoW, WoW 1.12 is ALSO WoW but is no longer available by the owners choice. Also much of the art assets used in 1.12 has also been abandoned for newer models as WoW has trudged on over the years.

    it would be an interesting case, as it would be the first use of the new provisions to prove legality on behalf of non-profit entity for a game that is still in service yet does not provide access to an older version of said service.


    so it is not a clear case of IP theft, nor is it a certainty that the Emulated server is legal. Mainly because such an occurrence has not gone to trial under the new DMCA provisions to give legal precedent.


    P.S.
    Copyright and Trademarks don't disappear, the original work is still protected. Obviously this can change but we'll be dead before any Blizzard product becomes public with current laws.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 34,500
    sayuu said:
    I dunno.

    Everyone is shouting IP THEFT left and right around here, yet not once have I seen mention of the semi-new provisions in  the US' DMCA in regards to online games or online services that are no longer available.

    If Nost went to court they would have to prove that the original owner no longer provides the game in question. What is interesting is that one can logically argue that while WoW 7.0 is still WoW, WoW 1.12 is ALSO WoW but is no longer available by the owners choice. Also much of the art assets used in 1.12 has also been abandoned for newer models as WoW has trudged on over the years.

    it would be an interesting case, as it would be the first use of the new provisions to prove legality on behalf of non-profit entity for a game that is still in service yet does not provide access to an older version of said service.


    so it is not a clear case of IP theft, nor is it a certainty that the Emulated server is legal. Mainly because such an occurrence has not gone to trial under the new DMCA provisions to give legal precedent.


    P.S.
    Blizzard HAVE to sue to protect their IP or it sets a precedent and grants a free license for anyone else to use Warcraft.

    This isnt about greed, its about 'Ferrari stopping other people making and selling Ferraris'.

    It is about greed, Ferrari stops others from making Ferraris' because then they can overprice their product due to brand recognition. Which is fine by the way, Ferrari is a for profit company after all and therefore entirely motivated by greed. . . 
    As Gordon Gecko would say, "greed is Good"

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,166
    Kyleran said:
    sayuu said:
    I dunno.

    Everyone is shouting IP THEFT left and right around here, yet not once have I seen mention of the semi-new provisions in  the US' DMCA in regards to online games or online services that are no longer available.

    If Nost went to court they would have to prove that the original owner no longer provides the game in question. What is interesting is that one can logically argue that while WoW 7.0 is still WoW, WoW 1.12 is ALSO WoW but is no longer available by the owners choice. Also much of the art assets used in 1.12 has also been abandoned for newer models as WoW has trudged on over the years.

    it would be an interesting case, as it would be the first use of the new provisions to prove legality on behalf of non-profit entity for a game that is still in service yet does not provide access to an older version of said service.


    so it is not a clear case of IP theft, nor is it a certainty that the Emulated server is legal. Mainly because such an occurrence has not gone to trial under the new DMCA provisions to give legal precedent.


    P.S.
    Blizzard HAVE to sue to protect their IP or it sets a precedent and grants a free license for anyone else to use Warcraft.

    This isnt about greed, its about 'Ferrari stopping other people making and selling Ferraris'.

    It is about greed, Ferrari stops others from making Ferraris' because then they can overprice their product due to brand recognition. Which is fine by the way, Ferrari is a for profit company after all and therefore entirely motivated by greed. . . 
    As Gordon Gecko would say, "greed is Good"
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  • umcorianumcorian Member UncommonPosts: 519
    edited December 2016

    Ghavrigg said:

    So ...I don't get it. They got shut down once, now starting up again and telling everyone, and expect things not to repeat?



    Elysium is based in Russia - Blizzard is going to have an extremely difficult time going after them. My guess is they won't even bother with more than a Cease and Desist letter. That satisfies the attempt to enforce their IP rights so that they don't risk issues down the line. They'll probably just chalk this one up to a minor loss and not make it any bigger than it is.
  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927


    So many comments from people who have no idea whatsoever how the law works in this case...

    Blizzard can't do nothing, so the server getting shut down is not going to happen anytime soon.

    In fact the only way the server might get shut down is if Blizzard pay off these guys behind the scene to shut it down. There is nothing else they can do. Sadly some(often) times the law just can't help even if you are in the right.



    I personally won't probably play on this(or any other private)server. I don't really support this type of behaviour, BUT in this particular cause I don't completely disapprove either, because there's more than enough proof that there are plenty of people who would gladly play on Vanilla servers, yet Blizzard just ignore it, no even worse. They pretended to care, but in fact ignored... Would have been better if they said outright that they won't do a Vanilla server and be done with it.



    At the moment I have only 2 rl friends who still play WoW(from about 30 or so back in Vanilla). I've asked around and about 20 have confirmed that if there are Vanilla servers they would be more than happy to start playing again(even if just casual).



    Legion is great, but it's a grindfest... I don't know what other people think, but for me this is probably the first expansion where I geniunely feel like I'm not playing anymore for fun, but I'm playing as if it's an actual work... You miss 1-2 days and you feel like you are way behind everyone else.

    What's more playing more than 2 characters without being a streamer(aka playing being your job) is close to impossible. At least impossible to keep them at the same level of progress. Even 2 chars is a bit of a strain.



    Blizzard needs to make some appropriate adjustments and I don't mean just the possibility to get high AK on your alts like what they are adding in the upcoming patch.



    Why am I mentioning Legion? Well today my sub expired and I actually debated whether I should pay it or not... If Vanilla servers existed I wouldn't be even thinking about this.



    If there is nothing they can do then why did Nos even shut down the server the first time? Why would they even stop and not just start the server back up? There is way more here to it then you saying "They Can't do anything.. lol"

    The fact is Blizzard can do something about it because the names that are used are IP Copyrighted by Blizzard and anything that uses the names, characters, art, ect. is all Blizzards for them to control.

    So I will not be suprised at all to see this server shut down within months of it opening up. And if any of the original Nos team is working on this new server then I wish them the best of luck as they have already been told once to cease and desist.
    I explained that in another post of mine down the road. Basically the Nost team had to shut down because their servers were in France and Blizz EU HQ is in France. They are under the same law and that's why it was easy for them to force Nost out of commission.
    I don't know for other countries in EU, but I believe France and UK have the DMCA law and comply with it to the fullest, so it's easier to have lawsuits against residents of those countries, however if the servers were for example in the Netherlands where as far as I'm aware don't have the DMCA law it would have been a different thing. Still if the servers were in the Netherlands and Blizzard filed a lawsuit I believe the result would be positive for them since the Netherlands is a law-based country(meaning it's not corrupt, or at least not as much as Russia is for example). 
    However the servers(from the info we have been given) are located in Russia this time. And DMCA doesn't matter much there and what's more as I've said Blizzard is a NA company and this will be cosidered even somewhat political on Russian part, so even if they try to use different laws I doubt Russia would be helpful.

    Another example is Snowden... He is currently is Russia and even though America demands for him, Russia refuses to extradite him.
    Blizzard's lawsuit would be something along the lines of the Snowden fiasco except on a lesser scale. At the end Russian law will turn a blind eye to the issue.


    I'll give you another example. My country have the DMCA law. We have few major torrent sites that are filled with illegal music,movies, games etc... Few years ago they tried to bust the guys behind the sites, but since the servers weren't in our country, but in a country where DMCA doesn't exist they couldn't do anything. For like about 1 year they were constantly in court, but at the end nothing  happened.

    As I've said quite often even if you are in the right the law doesn't necessary lean in your favor.


    Do you want to hear an even more commical situation that's happening to me right now... 
    My family owns lands which we haven't used for like 25-30 years. Few monthes ago we decided that we want to build a house there and use it as a vacation house, but do you know what I found out... That some random dude has built his house on our land and because it's been so long the law isn't in my favorite. 
    I can't demand from him to just demolish it. What I have to do is basically pay the guy for the house(since it's considered improvement /faceplam) OR let him buy the land... Tell me... Does that even sound like a law written by people with anything in their heads :P
  • EverketEverket Member UncommonPosts: 244
    edited December 2016

    Forgrimm said:


    Ghavrigg said:

    So ...I don't get it. They got shut down once, now starting up again and telling everyone, and expect things not to repeat?


    Thieves generally aren't the brightest people around. If they were, they wouldn't have to resort to stealing other people's work. I hope that Blizz makes an example out of them.



    Hehe because it's that easy, just stealing the game and setup a priv server. I'm sure you never downloaded any movies or music in your life. Or any of you hypocrites clicking agree on his posts.

    And to all the uninformed people who feel they can comment on something that they did not bother researching. Only one server has ever been closed by blizzard, and that was many many years ago. All private servers basically gets a letter telling them to shut down, but nobody bothers because there are never any more actions. The amount of opinions from people have no clue in here should be surprising but alas it's not. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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  • nasus44nasus44 Member CommonPosts: 1

    Aori said:

    Enjoy your 400ms of free gameplay, dirty leechers.



    Enjoy being a run of the mill minion that can't come up with a better insult. FYI, I have great internet. :)

    So, if I choose to play I won't have any problems. Bye. :D




  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,428
    edited December 2016
    I am going to watch and see what Blizzard does about this. If they are not interested in protecting their IP then it is going to be a free for all, more servers will be boldly popping up.
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  • NandomauNandomau Member UncommonPosts: 1
    Fresh PvP Server, come to me <3 ... i need you!
  • ShelassaShelassa MMORPG.COM Staff UncommonPosts: 616
    Remuss said:
    I bought a game in 2005
    You didn't quite buy "a game". You bought access to the Blizzard servers that at that moment hosted that particular version (1.x) of the game and that now host Legion, a 7.1 version of same game - that you still can access from your old 2005 account after linking it to Battle.net service. 

    Have you read the legal documentation provided on official World of Warcraft site? Just in case, I will leave a link here. In particular, it describes the terms of accessing World of Warcraft. 

    On the somewhat related issue of Diablo: comparing buying Diablo 2 and being able to play that game with Vanilla and Legion WoW is not quite correct as Diablo 2 is a finished product and WoW continues to be worked on and evolve. 

    More correct example would be Diablo 3, which is also current Blizzard product. However, in this scenario we can see that it is much closer to WoW than to Diablo 2. When I bought a copy of Diablo 3, a Vanilla version of it if you will, way before Reaper of Souls came out, it had Auction House; yellow items that with right stats were much more powerful than Legendaries; if you were leveling all professions before the drastic cost nerf your gold was very scarce as well. Some Demon Hunters out there can even remember 2-socketed Manticores that costed a small fortune on aforementioned AH. 

    Interestingly enough, I can no longer play that game. At the very least, no matter which version you own, Auction House is gone. 
  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    If you cannot prove injury I'm wondering how they can shut them down. If no money changes hands and it is in no way in competition with current WoW (they are different games for most purposes at this point).

    That looks an awful lot like a car I used to have in your driveway

    I built it and will never sell it, but I let my friends drive it sometimes

    Fuck you I'm getting money for that car because you copied my old car.
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  • cheyanecheyane Member EpicPosts: 6,428
    edited December 2016
    Do you have to prove damages to enforce your IP or does mere infringement prove your case ? I do not know about the law in the US but in some countries mere infringement is enough proof.

    Don't you have statutory damages for infringement ?
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,166
    Meh...

    I make cigarette lighters and by opening the package you are agreeing to my EULA which can also be found on the internet so you can read before you buy.

    If you use the cigarette lighter to light a cigar, you are a thief and a scoundrel.

    You must buy my cigar lighter for that.

    Also.... have a look at my nice campfire lighters, they come packaged in a nice piece of recycled newspaper.

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  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    Deekins said:
    laserit said:
    Meh...

    I make cigarette lighters and by opening the package you are agreeing to my EULA which can also be found on the internet so you can read before you buy.

    If you use the cigarette lighter to light a cigar, you are a thief and a scoundrel.

    You must buy my cigar lighter for that.

    Also.... have a look at my nice campfire lighters, they come packaged in a nice piece of recycled newspaper.
    That is not the same thing as stealing another companies IP and using everything in it and you know it. Stop injecting these retarded scenarios to make yourself feel better about partaking in the theft of another companies IP.

    Edit: The people here spouting off that they bought Vanilla WoW and can no longer play that WoW need to stop. You can still play WoW, just because it is not the WoW YOU want, doesn't mean it is not WoW. It is still WoW and it is still going. 

    The box even says online gameplay may change. 

    Nowhere on a light does it say you can't light whatever the hell you want after purchasing it. 
    Again the idea of proving damages arises. What does it mean that I stole your IP if I have not profited from it nor damaged your product? They can always deny they meant to steal anything and had the idea to create a game like Warhammer. 
    MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
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