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Which MMO's original (before nerf/major change) version did you like most?
DreadTooth
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Ok, so... Everyone has an MMO that they fell in love with or thought was just the most awesome thing ever, and then a major game update completed changed the atmosphere. Usually, this involved nerfing something that was 'just too hard' for casual or carebear players. What was yours?
For me, there are two.
First, it is UO. I liked the original UO, where you could steal from players anywhere and kill players anywhere, guards had to see your indiscretion or know your law-breaking name to attack you and they didn't one-hit you also they could be killed, you could kill any NPC anywhere just like normal players, going grey meant you did something unlawful and people could steal or attack you without repercussions and going red was because you were a murderer and your title changed to murderer and all guards would attack you on sight and anyone could kill you. Also, you could buy shops and run your own bakery. Also, people actually did all the little stuff like go get the wheat from the fields, make it into dough, and make cakes and sell them. People hung out at the blacksmith and the mages shop and practiced their stuff all day, mining was fun and people created mining companies. A lot of people traveled in groups because pff recalling and gating was just unheard of for the average person and nobody wanted to die and lose all their stuff they worked so hard for (darn you gazer!!!! that was MY green shield!!!).
Second, it was SWG. I liked the original SWG, where you actually had to DO THINGS to DO OTHER THINGS. You couldn't just wake up and decide "I wanna be a jedi! hehe!" You had to master 6 skills, (there were... 28? 42? I forgot) and you had NO IDEA which 6 you had to masteras it was random from person to person (I was never a jedi obviously, this is what I heard/read), and to make it harder you couldn't have every skill mastered all at once, you had a limited amount of stuff you could know so you'd have to drop a skill-tree after mastering it and pick a new one in the hopes you were choosing correctly each time. You could find people out hunting weak stuff because that's all they could kill, people prone in the grass sniping ugly bee-things and people actually seeing someone's camp and hanging out and talking while sitting in chairs around the campfire, anyone that owned a big house or a bunch of hoppers was just awesome. Bounty hunters would track people and send their droids to other planets searching for them based on the last sighting of that person. I once was on Naboo outside the starport (I forgot the name of that big main city?) standing around doing nothing with a ton of people maybe 50-60 people, and a jedi comes running into the middle of the crowd with multiple player bounty hunters shooting at him, he completely dismantled them and was zinging laser blasts all around, people made a hole in the middle of the crowd and we all watched while he was jedi kicking bounty hunters (now dead) 10s of feet away, then he just runs off. Also, if you made it to jedi master, there could only be one (again what I was told, coincidentally by a jedi) good and dark master, and if they died, their character was a ghost permanently (I saw an evil one on the wookie planet(I think it was that? its been a long time, it was ugly and had trees)). I loved my bothan, made him as little as possible with big ears.
Nostalgia...
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But the acronym MMMORPG now currently means Microscopic Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. Kappa.
Then wow before Burning Crusades. . sorry I know that one was popular. . maybe I should say wow before the Harleys.
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I thought I would give GW2 a try with the expansion but how they had changed the classes was a mess. So it was the final nail in the coffin. There is nothing that could get me to come back to a game that for 2 years I thought was just awesome. This is coming from a guy who does not like twitch combat and zerg tactics (what makes up 90% of the game) One of the biggest letdowns in gaming for me, next closest was ESO.
2nd - Vanguard - I loved the Disciple class.
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- Planetside before Core Combat which caused Aftershock, which came after CC, to be a lame update due to it's dependence on CC
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For me it is WoW Wrath of the Lich King, it was the perfect MMORPG for me.
Knight Online before the Moradon patch
Star Wars Galaxies pre-NGE
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For me, probably LotRO is the biggest one for me. The first expansion, Mines of Moria, changed some things for the worst. There were three main things MoM added that really reduced my enjoyment of the game:
1) Radiance (aka vertical gear progression at endgame)
The vanilla game had horizontal progression at endgame. By this, I mean that each set of endgame gear was roughly equivalent to one another. There wasn't that much choice - crit-crafted, helegrod raid set or rift raid set, plus one or two random pieces - but it meant it was easy to gear up for endgame and nobody was left behind. It created a very inclusive community, pugging was easy and casual raiding was a thing. Your ability to complete a raid was based entirely on player skill and teamwork with virtually no emphasis on gear.
In MoM, they added radiance. Basically, bosses had a "dread" aura that reduced your effective level and if you were exposed to 5+ dread, your character would just cower. Radiance countered dread. In vanilla, bosses would have 5-7 dread but you'd use a consumable to counter 5. In MoM, bosses started having 10+ dread. This forced you to wear radiance gear and they tiered the gear. You had to farm one set of instances for basic radiance, then farm others for more radiance etc.
Firstly, this removed player choice - you had to use specific gear or fail. Removal of choice is bad. Secondly, it added massive time constraints to the gearing process, so all of a sudden the casuals just couldn't raid. This fragmented the community, destroyed some guilds and cut the raiding community in half.
Turbine did eventually admit their failure with radiance and removed it from the game, but it took them 2 years to do so and the raiding scene was a fraction of its original size by that point.
2) Legendary Weapons
In theory this was a great idea. Weapons that level up with you, that have their own traits that can be tweaked to your own playstyle.
In reality it was just a massive boring grind. Not only did you need to get a 1st age weapon (rare), when you identified it you needed to get lucky with its initial traits (pure lucky), then as you leveled up you needed to get lucky again with new traits. Not only that, you then needed multiple weapons for different builds because the traits had big impacts. My captain had a PvE 2hander for DPS, a PvE 2hander for healing, and PvP 2hander, then 2 buff weapons. Probably went through 100 weapons before I got the 5 I wanted. Then with each expansion, you'd have to start the grind again.
I think they've now got to the point where the weapons actually level up with you, and it is easier to swop traits out and new ones in, but to start it was just pure ballache.
3) Quest hub design
There was always some of this in vanilla lotro, but there was a lot more back and forth between hubs. So you might do 2 or 3 lvl10 quests from Bree, then 2 or 3 from a camp along then road, then a couple somewhere else, then back to Bree, then someone else, then Bree again. It felt a lot more fluid and natural.
With Moria it was very much "go to hub - grab 5 quests - hand in at hub - grab next 5 - complete - progress to next hub". I really didn't enjoy leveling up in Moria, even though the zones looked great. Luckily I could just power my way through it, leveled 50-60 in 2 weeks, geared up for raiding in 1 week and completed the raid a week later.
You would think the team understood even among the games with higher populations WHY players chose FFXI but nope they figured we wanted to change the game into a close of other games.Their greed segregated the community into a FFXIV or a FFXI or other,instead of keeping one big happy family.
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