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Chronicles of Elyria - Gambling with Elyria - MMORPG.com
This week Timothy Eisen looks at gambling, stretch goals, water warfare and frequency of updates for Chronicles of Elyria.
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You can stop right there.
At the end of the day, all the hype, hope, or BS are worthless without someone coming in and putting millions of dollars down to "finish" this game. All the ideas and potential and plans are worth jack if there is no money.
A project should START with enough money to get to some viable endpoint and THEN hit people up for crowdfunds to fill it out. Otherwise you are just ripping them off.
Looks to be another failed crowdfunded game / KS where people (suckers) forked over cash and are probably going to get nothing.
Crowdfunding and MMOs are not a good mix, too much money is needed, and the development time is too long with no real financing / revenue stream in place to actually get a good game delivered.
How many times will this lesson have to be learned?
It's for this reason that even though I have high hopes for Chronicles of Elyria and Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen... I will not back either one of them. I will wait for them to show their hand before spending my hard earned money on ideas.
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This! The complete game includes all the stretch goals. However, from what I have seen and read SBS always intended to launch with a viable basic game providing they reached their $900,000 goal and then gradually implement all of the stretch goals with outside investing, wherein that would complete the game.
There will be a game! it just might not have all the features of the stretch goals at launch.
I heard that one from the big boss before. Nice propaganda
"At this point we can hit every additional stretch goal Soulbound can imagine but if they don’t get an investor it's all for nothing."
That's incorrect. Caspian has confirmed that, based solely on the $$ amassed so far, they could still deliver a bare-bones version of the game. Not the full dream, but something playable to show and sell, and then grow upon.
"What the stretch goals do in the interim is give the community a common goal to chase, keep backers invested and keep morale high."
It's more than that. Caspian and Vye are actually looking at hires as a function of the attained goals. You may notice in the stretch goals that each one is usually ~$150k higher than the previous one, and gives the name of the position they'll hire with that money.
So stretch goals are also keeping the team growing in the 12-24 months horizon so far (the game's delivery timeframe discussed during the KS). Investors money will come close the gap between that and the delivery of the full vision.
Otherwise, good stuff and agreed with the rest!
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They don't
See my post above.
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Hi Tim,
Have you had a chance to read the corrections I made to your article in my comment above? A few of the things you say are simply not true.
Did people in KS pledge for just a bare bones version of the game?
Sounds like they underestimated how much money they needed to make the full game even if didn't have every single thing they dream of and are stuck delivering bare bones unless they get more cash.
This is looking very "pathfinder online" to me right now.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Just because Caspian says he has the money for a bare bone game doesn't mean that's true.
Additionally I remember he stated that in a really weird manner. I don't remember the exact words but it was something like 'Just because we have the money to make the game doesn't mean we have enough'
Dubious statements are dubious.
If at all I would say Tim needs to even more critical of this castle in the clouds.
IMO COE already crossed the line,once you go free handouts and cash shops,your game is imo a DUD and not worth investing time and money.
They still have a chance to do things right,but seems right from the start they had the vision as Smedley did...free handouts and cash shops and guess where Smedley is now,peddling a third rate pile of junk game. I would like to envision this team changes it's stance and invests their OWN money,their OWN risk but the damage is already done.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Even the "big name" devs in indie projects can only attract minimal private investment, and that's with tried-and-true MMO designs. Which venture capitalist would give a bunch of complete unknowns a large pile of cash to make a game that's way more high-risk than anything attempted to date ?
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ANY criticism on this game was an almost insta ban a few months ago. Now as we see most (basically all) of the criticisms were spot on.
It was known that their kickstarter amount was laughably tiny and them selling that as more than it was was a travesty. Now as time has gone by and they got the cash you see the predictable things all start to creep in.
Heads up for EVERY future project that gets hyped here...when you see words like 'potential', 'scale', 'ambition', 'dream', 'hype', 'hope', 'revolutionary', 'genre breaking' etc etc etc RUN dont walk away from it.
There isnt a person on these forums who couldnt dream up a 'perfect' MMO, I suspect many could put up as much if not more as some of these so called developers have done. But that still doesnt and never will mean they will ever be able to deliver a proof of concept let alone a viable playable game.
When this thing hit the site it dropped every hot button point in MMO fanstasy land (no pun) and introduced some 'intriguing' (another word to add to the list) ones. That was the first red flag. Especially when they didnt have anything but pictures and poor videos to back it up.
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