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  • VrikaVrika Member EpicPosts: 6,300
    edited November 2016
    Scorchien said:
    Vrika said:
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    Nope.

    Copyright protection stays in effect whether you use copyrighted work or not. I think going by USA law, copyright for Warhammer Online is 120 years after publication, which means until end of 2128.

    Trademark protection for Warhammer may end if it's not actively used, but as long as Warhammer trademark is still used that's not going to happen.


    You may be able to run Warhammer Online server because the copyright and trademark holders do not care, but that's still illegal.
    again , its only illegal if they say so ... Noone else.. They are aware of it , And Dont care and dont say its Illegal , Matter a fact this site doesnt recognize(nor any other site) it as illegal either , Or you would not be able to discuss it openly .... Its not for you or any other forum monkey to claim something you have no ownership to as illegal ......Its like some random guy parking in your neighbors driveway , and you saying Hey thats illegal , But if the neighbor doesnt care or claim it illegal Its not .. Its his driveway afterall
    No. You don't know the difference between law, and enforcement of law.

    Using someone's copyrighted material, or parking on someone else's property, is usually illegal.

    A person asking you to stop, a person taking you to court over it, even a court giving judgement do not normally make something illegal. They are only enforcing laws and legal rights, and acting because the action you took was illegal in the first place.

    Think of it like speeding: If you speed with a car, it's illegal. Sometimes the cops will stop you and fine you, most of the times no-one will notice and act against you, but in no case is speeding with a car legal. And you're able to have things like illegal private servers much for the same reason you're able to speed in some nearly deserted roads: Often your actions are so inconsequential that no-one gives a fuck even if you're breaking a law.

    That doesn't make it legal. It just shows that no-one cares enough to stop you.
     
  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 565
    If I ran my own private server, I would do what I want.  Scorchien said:
    Vrika said:
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    Nope.

    Copyright protection stays in effect whether you use copyrighted work or not. I think going by USA law, copyright for Warhammer Online is 120 years after publication, which means until end of 2128.

    Trademark protection for Warhammer may end if it's not actively used, but as long as Warhammer trademark is still used that's not going to happen.


    You may be able to run Warhammer Online server because the copyright and trademark holders do not care, but that's still illegal.
    again , its only illegal if they say so ... Noone else.. They are aware of it , And Dont care and dont say its Illegal , Matter a fact this site doesnt recognize(nor any other site) it as illegal either , Or you would not be able to discuss it openly .... Its not for you or any other forum monkey to claim something you have no ownership to as illegal ......Its like some random guy parking in your neighbors driveway , and you saying Hey thats illegal , But if the neighbor doesnt care or claim it illegal Its not .. Its his driveway afterall
    I don't think that's really how law works...  What you're referencing is an entities choice on pursuing litigation.  The loophole here being that the entity itself may not be in a position to make a choice.  

    As you say, just because some forum monkey claims something isn't illegal doesn't make it so.  It's too complicated for laymen like us to know for certain.  It's why we have law degrees and legal departments.
  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 565
    If I ran my own private server I'd do what I want.  I'm not providing a professional service and I'm not a charity.  Anyone that expects more, takes advantage, or causes me a remote amount of grief would be silenced.

    Tyranny... You're a guest in someone else's home and nothing more.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,315
    Dagon13 said:
    If I ran my own private server, I would do what I want.  Scorchien said:
    Vrika said:
    Scorchien said:
    BarbieBoy said:
    Scorchien said:
    Quizzical said:
    Wait, wait, you're complaining about being banned from an illegal private server?  Shouldn't the fact that you were playing on an illegal private server be enough to justify the ban?
    Its not an illegal server as War is shut sown ,and second these guys have a playable and very fun Warhammer server up and running , and they do it for free, the only time i have seen them get angry is when people act like asshats and idiots towards them , On the forums or in game ..
    It is an illegal server. First, they are using an IP they do not own. Second, they are probably using leaked server codes which is proprietary. Third, they are no doubt using the official client for end-users. Fourth, they no doubt reversed engineered a lot of things. Fifth, we go back to the fact that it is not their IP and got no written permission to do what they're doing. Sixth, again, the fact that it is proprietary, yes, including the assets.

    If they want to run their own MMORPG and since they can do it anyway, why not create their own IP, their own assets, develop their own server code, and end-user client? That is "legal" and definitely not a "private server".

    No matter where you look at it, be it from a philosophical standpoint or because the official server is long dead, it still is and will always be an illegal server, yes, even if the IP owners are silent about it and turning a blind eye and a deaf ear.

    Going back to the OP's topic, regardless if it is a private server or not, if you are not the one running it, then just live with it. Running mmos, be it illegal or legal, consumes time, effort, resources, and real world money. Their resources, their rules, their call.
    Nope.. wrong on counts .. Warhammer is shut down .. Its not illegal , Unless EA decides to reopen War .../end
    Nope.

    Copyright protection stays in effect whether you use copyrighted work or not. I think going by USA law, copyright for Warhammer Online is 120 years after publication, which means until end of 2128.

    Trademark protection for Warhammer may end if it's not actively used, but as long as Warhammer trademark is still used that's not going to happen.


    You may be able to run Warhammer Online server because the copyright and trademark holders do not care, but that's still illegal.
    again , its only illegal if they say so ... Noone else.. They are aware of it , And Dont care and dont say its Illegal , Matter a fact this site doesnt recognize(nor any other site) it as illegal either , Or you would not be able to discuss it openly .... Its not for you or any other forum monkey to claim something you have no ownership to as illegal ......Its like some random guy parking in your neighbors driveway , and you saying Hey thats illegal , But if the neighbor doesnt care or claim it illegal Its not .. Its his driveway afterall
    I don't think that's really how law works...  What you're referencing is an entities choice on pursuing litigation.  The loophole here being that the entity itself may not be in a position to make a choice.  

    As you say, just because some forum monkey claims something isn't illegal doesn't make it so.  It's too complicated for laymen like us to know for certain.  It's why we have law degrees and legal departments.
    And again the only Entity at this time in all the known Universe that claim and enforce the illegality of War server is EA , Nobody else can not me , not you ,not Sigmar, not Luke Skywalker , not Mork from Ork, and at this time not Games Workshop, Only EA can make that claim ...After all its there driveway... So until they put up a server or Say its illegal and order a cease and desist...Its not illegal
  • TatsuyaHirokiTatsuyaHiroki Member UncommonPosts: 108
    and what is the point you are trying to make here?

    all i see is someone whining that he cannot do screw all on other peoples server

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  • TatsuyaHirokiTatsuyaHiroki Member UncommonPosts: 108
    mentin said:
    Vrika said:
    It's not tyranny, it's ownership.

    Usually private server admins try to set and follow rules, be fair, and usually you can expect them that much. But they own the server, so it's their rules, and their decisions about how the server will be developed. You can't expect them to give up their rights as the owner just because they're so exceptionally nice guys.

    If owner setting rules for what he owns is tyranny, then we're all equally tyrants.

    They are not following any rules at all!!! Listen, we can debate hours and hours about legal aspects but thats not the point. The only supreme rule they understand is: Don´t you ever dare to disagree with us or you will be banned. We make no mistakes and you know nothing about the game so stfu. They even delete posts arguing that the content is boring or irrelevant. For whom? For them!!! Call it what you want but is a dictatorship. I never saw such level of censorship un my whole life. The fact that they own the server doesn´t mean it´s not.
    then heres an easy solution: dont play on that private server.

    I know that would be too logical when you can just cry about it

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  • seafirexseafirex Member UncommonPosts: 419
    edited November 2016
    Ok, so i have taken the time to go and see the original post here is the link : 

    https://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=18196

    No where is the post targeted to the OP itself it is targeted for the full community and is a way to let them know that yes there is issue but not to give personal views on how things works without having direct information from devs. 

    I am pretty sure there is toxic players there like every other games and the best proof of concept we have is right here with the OP posting only part of the post to make it look like he was targeted by a dev when in reality the post applies to the full community in a way to let people know that none knows how the game works fully except the devs and to not destroy the community by giving false information.

    Edit : if you read the remaining post in that tread you will see the devs clearly explains how it works and why with calculation etc. to prevent false information to be spread.
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,570
    edited November 2016
    The only thing that RoR needs is, imo, a person that is QUALIFIED to be a community liaison. MBTI and such have proven beyond the shadow of doubt that some personalities have a LOT of TROUBLE communicating in what other persons don't understand as hostile(even if the intention in the head of the speaker isn't hostile at all). Az and a lot of upper echelons of RoR are obviously of such a personality profile. Which makes sense actually: a PvP game would be like a lure to competitive and warlike personalities. I mean, just look at it, people like Trump would sound negative even if they cited Frere Jacque or the postulates of ADDITION lol.

    What I'm getting as is that it's natural. They just need a good mod / PR is all. Someone who wants to work with people and likes working with people in its reality.
  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,090
    I think Blizzard explained the legality of it fairly well from their end.  If you don't protect your IP and you knowingly let other people use it then you risk not being able to make claims in the future.  I assume that remains the same.  Maybe GW would be the concerned party and they don't care.  

    Wait. . didn't Blizzard steal all of their art concepts from GW?  Maybe if GW gets WoW shut down then the Nos server will open again.. . . I'm kidding. . .seriously kidding.

    Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!

  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,570
    mentin said:
    Vrika said:
    It's not tyranny, it's ownership.

    Usually private server admins try to set and follow rules, be fair, and usually you can expect them that much. But they own the server, so it's their rules, and their decisions about how the server will be developed. You can't expect them to give up their rights as the owner just because they're so exceptionally nice guys.

    If owner setting rules for what he owns is tyranny, then we're all equally tyrants.

    They are not following any rules at all!!! Listen, we can debate hours and hours about legal aspects but thats not the point. The only supreme rule they understand is: Don´t you ever dare to disagree with us or you will be banned. We make no mistakes and you know nothing about the game so stfu. They even delete posts arguing that the content is boring or irrelevant. For whom? For them!!! Call it what you want but is a dictatorship. I never saw such level of censorship un my whole life. The fact that they own the server doesn´t mean it´s not.
    then heres an easy solution: dont play on that private server.

    I know that would be too logical when you can just cry about it

    Here's another logical thing for you:

    Because there is another Warhammer RPG? Oh wait!

    This fact is what makes RoR's actions less than acceptable. If there was another Warhammer RPG, people would leave RoR for the greener pastures. But they can't because this is the only pasture. Think of it as of a monopoly over the electricity. If there's a single distributer of el.power, he can do ANYTHING he wants. And you can cry, cry, cry. Because there is no competition, because there is no control over that aspect.
     
    Competition is seldom bad for the average consumer.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,277
    Gorwe said:
    mentin said:
    Vrika said:
    It's not tyranny, it's ownership.

    Usually private server admins try to set and follow rules, be fair, and usually you can expect them that much. But they own the server, so it's their rules, and their decisions about how the server will be developed. You can't expect them to give up their rights as the owner just because they're so exceptionally nice guys.

    If owner setting rules for what he owns is tyranny, then we're all equally tyrants.

    They are not following any rules at all!!! Listen, we can debate hours and hours about legal aspects but thats not the point. The only supreme rule they understand is: Don´t you ever dare to disagree with us or you will be banned. We make no mistakes and you know nothing about the game so stfu. They even delete posts arguing that the content is boring or irrelevant. For whom? For them!!! Call it what you want but is a dictatorship. I never saw such level of censorship un my whole life. The fact that they own the server doesn´t mean it´s not.
    then heres an easy solution: dont play on that private server.

    I know that would be too logical when you can just cry about it

    Here's another logical thing for you:

    Because there is another Warhammer RPG? Oh wait!

    This fact is what makes RoR's actions less than acceptable. If there was another Warhammer RPG, people would leave RoR for the greener pastures. But they can't because this is the only pasture. Think of it as of a monopoly over the electricity. If there's a single distributer of el.power, he can do ANYTHING he wants. And you can cry, cry, cry. Because there is no competition, because there is no control over that aspect.
     
    Competition is seldom bad for the average consumer.
    Doesn't really matter it's their server. They can do/act however they want. They don't owe anyone anything.

    So the choice is play by their rules or don't.



  • mentinmentin Member UncommonPosts: 35
    seafirex said:
    Ok, so i have taken the time to go and see the original post here is the link : 

    https://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=18196

    No where is the post targeted to the OP itself it is targeted for the full community and is a way to let them know that yes there is issue but not to give personal views on how things works without having direct information from devs. 

    I am pretty sure there is toxic players there like every other games and the best proof of concept we have is right here with the OP posting only part of the post to make it look like he was targeted by a dev when in reality the post applies to the full community in a way to let people know that none knows how the game works fully except the devs and to not destroy the community by giving false information.

    Edit : if you read the remaining post in that tread you will see the devs clearly explains how it works and why with calculation etc. to prevent false information to be spread.
    READ MY POST seriously read it before posting.

    Some people here seems to have 15 or 16 years old according to their answers.

    My fault to expect maturity in these forums.

    I want to thank all the people that actually READ my post and even those who disagree with me but gave their sincere and MATURE answer.

    To the others:

    "You won´t be missed" "You are crying" blah blah blah. 

    No education, no respect no self- esteem no values.....

    It´s impossible to argue with that kind of people, so childish  generation ,my god.

    I am off and not reading anymore answers (sorry for people who are being serious) but when there are 3 pages of discussion and the ones that attack you don´t even read your post....

    Well like the wise man said:

    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"





  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 565
    Scorchien said:

    And again the only Entity at this time in all the known Universe that claim and enforce the illegality of War server is EA , Nobody else can not me , not you ,not Sigmar, not Luke Skywalker , not Mork from Ork, and at this time not Games Workshop, Only EA can make that claim ...After all its there driveway... So until they put up a server or Say its illegal and order a cease and desist...Its not illegal
    I don't know who the involved entities, but that's irrelevant anyway.

    You don't seem to understand.  EA wanting to pursue litigation is not what makes it illegal.  Stealing assets is what makes it illegal.  EA wanting litigation is simply the act of reporting and punishing illegal activity.

    If someone steals something from your home, that's illegal activity.  If you find out and press charges, that's enforcing the law.  These are two, very different things.  What you're trying to say is, if you steal and don't get caught, it's not a crime.

    People get by with it because EA is either unaware or because they are aware and give implicit consent to their assets by doing nothing about it.
  • GorweGorwe Member EpicPosts: 6,570
    Sovrath said:
    Gorwe said:
    mentin said:
    Vrika said:
    It's not tyranny, it's ownership.

    Usually private server admins try to set and follow rules, be fair, and usually you can expect them that much. But they own the server, so it's their rules, and their decisions about how the server will be developed. You can't expect them to give up their rights as the owner just because they're so exceptionally nice guys.

    If owner setting rules for what he owns is tyranny, then we're all equally tyrants.

    They are not following any rules at all!!! Listen, we can debate hours and hours about legal aspects but thats not the point. The only supreme rule they understand is: Don´t you ever dare to disagree with us or you will be banned. We make no mistakes and you know nothing about the game so stfu. They even delete posts arguing that the content is boring or irrelevant. For whom? For them!!! Call it what you want but is a dictatorship. I never saw such level of censorship un my whole life. The fact that they own the server doesn´t mean it´s not.
    then heres an easy solution: dont play on that private server.

    I know that would be too logical when you can just cry about it

    Here's another logical thing for you:

    Because there is another Warhammer RPG? Oh wait!

    This fact is what makes RoR's actions less than acceptable. If there was another Warhammer RPG, people would leave RoR for the greener pastures. But they can't because this is the only pasture. Think of it as of a monopoly over the electricity. If there's a single distributer of el.power, he can do ANYTHING he wants. And you can cry, cry, cry. Because there is no competition, because there is no control over that aspect.
     
    Competition is seldom bad for the average consumer.
    Doesn't really matter it's their server. They can do/act however they want. They don't owe anyone anything.

    So the choice is play by their rules or don't.

    Perhaps. The nature of the question is more muddled here due to this not being the only way to play WAR, but Warhammer Fantasy cRPG too.

    But I'd agree that it's their proverbial house and they can kick the unwanteds out. Of course.
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,792
    mentin said:

    Some people here seems to have 15 or 16 years old according to their answers.

    My fault to expect maturity in these forums.

    It´s impossible to argue with that kind of people, so childish  generation ,my god.

    No one here sounds more immature than you do.
    Harbinger of Fools
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,315
    edited November 2016
    Dagon13 said:
    Scorchien said:

    And again the only Entity at this time in all the known Universe that claim and enforce the illegality of War server is EA , Nobody else can not me , not you ,not Sigmar, not Luke Skywalker , not Mork from Ork, and at this time not Games Workshop, Only EA can make that claim ...After all its there driveway... So until they put up a server or Say its illegal and order a cease and desist...Its not illegal
    I don't know who the involved entities, but that's irrelevant anyway.

    You don't seem to understand.  EA wanting to pursue litigation is not what makes it illegal.  Stealing assets is what makes it illegal.  EA wanting litigation is simply the act of reporting and punishing illegal activity.

    If someone steals something from your home, that's illegal activity.  If you find out and press charges, that's enforcing the law.  These are two, very different things.  What you're trying to say is, if you steal and don't get caught, it's not a crime.

    People get by with it because EA is either unaware or because they are aware and give implicit consent to their assets by doing nothing about it.
    No you dont seem to understand , EA is perfectly aware , they dont care , Its not stealing they are right out in the open with it .. your analogy blows .....

      Let me help you , You have an old bike at your house , you rode it alot , you realize its pretty fucked up and you throw it out , some guy comes along and takes your trash .. and you dont care,.... maybe he can get some fun out of it  .. you chuckle about it .. Is it stealing ... No

      EA doesnt care .... They are perfectly aware of the War server and DONT CARE .... Now maybe if one day they reopen a server they may care .. But right now they DONT GIVE A FUCK .. They have no active servers and its not stealing unless they report it ...

      And to add , Im 100% certain if and when EA decided that they wanted to open WAr again , one of the first orders of Business would be sending a Cease and Desist to the War-Emu , Then if they contiue to run the server it would be stealing .. Until then ....NO
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,347
    OP, threaten them with releasing their code, maybe it works for you :awesome:




  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,764
    Scorchien said:
    Dagon13 said:
    Scorchien said:

    And again the only Entity at this time in all the known Universe that claim and enforce the illegality of War server is EA , Nobody else can not me , not you ,not Sigmar, not Luke Skywalker , not Mork from Ork, and at this time not Games Workshop, Only EA can make that claim ...After all its there driveway... So until they put up a server or Say its illegal and order a cease and desist...Its not illegal
    I don't know who the involved entities, but that's irrelevant anyway.

    You don't seem to understand.  EA wanting to pursue litigation is not what makes it illegal.  Stealing assets is what makes it illegal.  EA wanting litigation is simply the act of reporting and punishing illegal activity.

    If someone steals something from your home, that's illegal activity.  If you find out and press charges, that's enforcing the law.  These are two, very different things.  What you're trying to say is, if you steal and don't get caught, it's not a crime.

    People get by with it because EA is either unaware or because they are aware and give implicit consent to their assets by doing nothing about it.
    No you dont seem to understand , EA is perfectly aware , they dont care , Its not stealing they are right out in the open with it .. your analogy blows .....

      Let me help you , You have an old bike at your house , you rode it alot , you realize its pretty fucked up and you throw it out , some guy comes along and takes your trash .. and you dont care,.... maybe he can get some fun out of it  .. you chuckle about it .. Is it stealing ... No

      EA doesnt care .... They are perfectly aware of the War server and DONT CARE .... Now maybe if one day they reopen a server they may care .. But right now they DONT GIVE A FUCK .. They have no active servers and its not stealing unless they report it ...

      And to add , Im 100% certain if and when EA decided that they wanted to open WAr again , one of the first orders of Business would be sending a Cease and Desist to the War-Emu , Then if they contiue to run the server it would be stealing .. Until then ....NO
    You say that EA knows about the server but does not care.   Therefore it is not illegal.

    Do the people running the server have something in writing from EA that says " You have our permission to use our IP for your own personal use" ?  

    If not, then the speeding analogy applies.  You cannot say something that is obviously illegal is legal, just because no one does anything about it.    

    And just because you say it is so on a forum, does not make it legal either.    

    You sound a lot like Axehilt, when he goes off on one of his tirades.

    FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  • TatsuyaHirokiTatsuyaHiroki Member UncommonPosts: 108
    mentin said:
    seafirex said:
    Ok, so i have taken the time to go and see the original post here is the link : 

    https://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=18196

    No where is the post targeted to the OP itself it is targeted for the full community and is a way to let them know that yes there is issue but not to give personal views on how things works without having direct information from devs. 

    I am pretty sure there is toxic players there like every other games and the best proof of concept we have is right here with the OP posting only part of the post to make it look like he was targeted by a dev when in reality the post applies to the full community in a way to let people know that none knows how the game works fully except the devs and to not destroy the community by giving false information.

    Edit : if you read the remaining post in that tread you will see the devs clearly explains how it works and why with calculation etc. to prevent false information to be spread.
    READ MY POST seriously read it before posting.

    Some people here seems to have 15 or 16 years old according to their answers.

    My fault to expect maturity in these forums.

    I want to thank all the people that actually READ my post and even those who disagree with me but gave their sincere and MATURE answer.

    To the others:

    "You won´t be missed" "You are crying" blah blah blah. 

    No education, no respect no self- esteem no values.....

    It´s impossible to argue with that kind of people, so childish  generation ,my god.

    I am off and not reading anymore answers (sorry for people who are being serious) but when there are 3 pages of discussion and the ones that attack you don´t even read your post....

    Well like the wise man said:

    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"





    and you talk about maturity?

    hypocrisy, my name is mentin



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  • kairel182kairel182 Member UncommonPosts: 287
    sayuu said:
    Hee hee, tyranny. . .

    . . .you are so brave for standing up to it.


    meanwhile, in the MIddle East. . . 
    His choice of wording is obviously misguided but clearly you're in the clouds when you make idiotic comparisons to real life events on a gaming website. No one cares about real events unless it's related here, otherwise we'd be on a news site discussing it.
  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 5,763
    Pretty overboard such a drama queen.

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    I agree this has to be the most tyrannical, saddistical, satanical, perpetual, uneducated, illogical, unresonable, hallucination these forums have witnessed in the past 5 years.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 7,315
    Scorchien said:
    Dagon13 said:
    Scorchien said:

    And again the only Entity at this time in all the known Universe that claim and enforce the illegality of War server is EA , Nobody else can not me , not you ,not Sigmar, not Luke Skywalker , not Mork from Ork, and at this time not Games Workshop, Only EA can make that claim ...After all its there driveway... So until they put up a server or Say its illegal and order a cease and desist...Its not illegal
    I don't know who the involved entities, but that's irrelevant anyway.

    You don't seem to understand.  EA wanting to pursue litigation is not what makes it illegal.  Stealing assets is what makes it illegal.  EA wanting litigation is simply the act of reporting and punishing illegal activity.

    If someone steals something from your home, that's illegal activity.  If you find out and press charges, that's enforcing the law.  These are two, very different things.  What you're trying to say is, if you steal and don't get caught, it's not a crime.

    People get by with it because EA is either unaware or because they are aware and give implicit consent to their assets by doing nothing about it.
    No you dont seem to understand , EA is perfectly aware , they dont care , Its not stealing they are right out in the open with it .. your analogy blows .....

      Let me help you , You have an old bike at your house , you rode it alot , you realize its pretty fucked up and you throw it out , some guy comes along and takes your trash .. and you dont care,.... maybe he can get some fun out of it  .. you chuckle about it .. Is it stealing ... No

      EA doesnt care .... They are perfectly aware of the War server and DONT CARE .... Now maybe if one day they reopen a server they may care .. But right now they DONT GIVE A FUCK .. They have no active servers and its not stealing unless they report it ...

      And to add , Im 100% certain if and when EA decided that they wanted to open WAr again , one of the first orders of Business would be sending a Cease and Desist to the War-Emu , Then if they contiue to run the server it would be stealing .. Until then ....NO
    You say that EA knows about the server but does not care.   Therefore it is not illegal.

    Do the people running the server have something in writing from EA that says " You have our permission to use our IP for your own personal use" ?  

    If not, then the speeding analogy applies.  You cannot say something that is obviously illegal is legal, just because no one does anything about it.    

    And just because you say it is so on a forum, does not make it legal either.    

    You sound a lot like Axehilt, when he goes off on one of his tirades.
    LOL speeding analogy works ... wtf is wrong with people ,I understand you are working with everything god gave you but try harder ..... When/if you are speeding you are actually endangering innocent peoples lives .. You do understand the difference , i would  hope so  or do you need it explained .. One you are playing a game , the other you may kill someone ...

      Hope this helps ....This has been a public service announcement
  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 565

    You say that EA knows about the server but does not care.   Therefore it is not illegal.

    Do the people running the server have something in writing from EA that says " You have our permission to use our IP for your own personal use" ?  

    If not, then the speeding analogy applies.  You cannot say something that is obviously illegal is legal, just because no one does anything about it.    

    And just because you say it is so on a forum, does not make it legal either.    

    You sound a lot like Axehilt, when he goes off on one of his tirades.
    It's a lost cause.  You could toss this person a law book and they'd just sling mud in response.
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    edited November 2016
    Title of Clickbait +4 awarded to Mentin

    Cursed Tyranny Amulet  of Snorefest -10, soul bound and un-removeable awarded to Mentin. When worn in combination with the Clickbait title this amulet causes all nearby allies to fall asleep.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
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