Elder Scrolls Online: Matt Firor Shares Data on the Playerbase

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OhhPaigey · October 2016

I've never been able to get into this game.. idk what it is.

But it does have a pretty good following for sure.

Nilden · October 2016

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#1y

If I do look at steam charts I see 4k playing and 8572 all time peak. I also can't find that bump in players in March on Steam.

So my big question is what percent of Steam users make up ESO population?

bcbully · October 2016

Nilden said:

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#1y

If I do look at steam charts I see 4k playing and 8572 all time peak. I also can't find that bump in players in March on Steam.

So my big question is what percent of Steam users make up ESO population?

It never has been many. A late steam launch coupled with higher prices meant it just didn't make sense to play on steam.

Iselin · October 2016

Nilden said:

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#1y

If I do look at steam charts I see 4k playing and 8572 all time peak. I also can't find that bump in players in March on Steam.

So my big question is what percent of Steam users make up ESO population?

My guess is that it would be a tiny portion. Especially since every time Steam has it on sale, ZOS does as well for the same price direct from them - Steam ESO offers no advantage at all and some disadvantages (mostly due to the need for activating the steam code on the ESO site.)

waynejr2 · October 2016

Torval said:

I want to thank everyone for reminding me my account is locked into Steam with no way out.

And people love steam. Well, except me,.

filmoret · October 2016

OhhPaigey said:

I've never been able to get into this game.. idk what it is.

But it does have a pretty good following for sure.

Its people with swords running around chopping at each other. Something you should try for sure.

postlarval · October 2016

bcbully said:

Nilden said:

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#1y

If I do look at steam charts I see 4k playing and 8572 all time peak. I also can't find that bump in players in March on Steam.

So my big question is what percent of Steam users make up ESO population?

It never has been many. A late steam launch coupled with higher prices meant it just didn't make sense to play on steam.

Not to mention many bought the game before the Steam launch so no reason to tie it to Steam.

filmoret · October 2016

Iselin said:

Nilden said:

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#1y

If I do look at steam charts I see 4k playing and 8572 all time peak. I also can't find that bump in players in March on Steam.

So my big question is what percent of Steam users make up ESO population?

My guess is that it would be a tiny portion. Especially since every time Steam has it on sale, ZOS does as well for the same price direct from them - Steam ESO offers no advantage at all and some disadvantages (mostly due to the need for activating the steam code on the ESO site.)

Zeni published and sold the game on their own for a long time. So steam only represents a small portion of their playerbase.

SlyLoK · October 2016

I think in that same article they mention a more traditional MMO version of ESO.. I would really like to get my hands on that build. The screenshot used to show it looked really interesting.

Loke666 · October 2016

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

While I have all respect for Eve, the game is from 2003 so comparing it with ESO seems a bit unfair.

GW2, FFXIV and TOR would make more sense. Yeah, those games are not on steam but they are beside WoW and ESO the western top 5.

That doesn't make the numbers less good of course.

Wizardry · October 2016

IMO their focus should be on delivering the best possible game,however this sure looks like they are constantly looking at numbers and potential profit areas.Why should they care what the % numbers are as long as each area are making a profit,that is all that should matter.
They already lied in the beginning with subs and PC users,they definitely turned to face away from PC users to totally focus on a NEW income,the console users.

To me it was sort of a very lame attitude,like "ok we already have the PC users money,let's not care about them anymore and focus on consoles".Personally the lies on subs early on were enough to tell me not to trust this business one bit,enough to actually blacklist them as someone i never want to support,much like NCSOFT and Frogster.Crooked operations should imo never be supported.
Well i guess on that note,might as well add the crook Smedley to the list as well,that guy would lie to his own mother.

postlarval · October 2016

Wizardry said:

IMO their focus should be on delivering the best possible game,however this sure looks like they are constantly looking at numbers and potential profit areas.Why should they care what the % numbers are as long as each area are making a profit,that is all that should matter.
They already lied in the beginning with subs and PC users,they definitely turned to face away from PC users to totally focus on a NEW income,the console users.

To me it was sort of a very lame attitude,like "ok we already have the PC users money,let's not care about them anymore and focus on consoles".Personally the lies on subs early on were enough to tell me not to trust this business one bit,enough to actually blacklist them as someone i never want to support,much like NCSOFT and Frogster.Crooked operations should imo never be supported.
Well i guess on that note,might as well add the crook Smedley to the list as well,that guy would lie to his own mother.

Here you go again with your "evil corporation" rhetoric. Seems to be a theme with you.

Isn't there an Occupy movement going on somewhere you can join that would be more appropriate for your anger?

Dragnelus · October 2016

Loke666 said:

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

While I have all respect for Eve, the game is from 2003 so comparing it with ESO seems a bit unfair.

GW2, FFXIV and TOR would make more sense. Yeah, those games are not on steam but they are beside WoW and ESO the western top 5.

That doesn't make the numbers less good of course.

FFXIV is on steam, I was so stupid to buy the steam version

QuarterStack · October 2016

Wizardry said:

-stuff-

All that from just some interesting data about how their playerbase is split between platforms?

They're talking about how well the game is doing, how its console release exceeded expectations.

An active, healthy population means an active, healthy game with a solid future. That's good news for everyone, developer and player alike.

That kind of data is good for players to know as well, you know.

Seriously, Wizardry, not everything in the world is some evil corporate scheme, however much you seem to want to see it that way. I don't think I've ever met someone - in real life, or on a forum - who was so consistently negative as you. Do you have this same pessimistic, "everything's bad, everything's evil" mentality in real life, too? Must be a real downer to be around if you do. Lighten up, man!

postlarval · October 2016

QuarterStack said:

Seriously, Wizardry, not everything in the world is some evil corporate scheme, however much you seem to want to see it that way. I don't think I've ever met someone - in real life, or on a forum - who was so consistently negative as you. Do you have this same pessimistic, "everything's bad, everything's evil" mentality in real life, too? Must be a real downer to be around if you do. Lighten up, man!

+1

It is getting bit tiresome, yes?

@Wizardry Tell us where the bad CEO touched you...

Kyleran · October 2016

Great info, online concurrency figures are one of the more relevant numbers in this f2p, megaserver world.

Shaigh · October 2016

So much spin, not that much information. For starters, if you combine your b2p conversion with a sale your active users will see a huge boost because of returning players. Additionally, giving concurrent data a week into console release only tells that they had nice sales on console.

Its about as relevant as f2p games telling us how many registered users they have.

rodarin · October 2016

Why us he quoting numbers from March in Oct? We all know that those 7 months the popualtion has gone through who knows howmnay dips. I suspect their numbers right now are where they were, if not fewer) than they were the day before it went live.

F2P has a double edged effect. Youre not subbing so you dont feel the urgency to log in and 'get your monies worth' but it will cause a short term increases in log in from people who can do it 'just because its free'. The thing EVERY game has had be it buy to plau, pay to play or free to play has been retention. Especially beyond hard core fans or botters or guys looking to use the game to benefit financially in the real world. Retaining actual casual fans has been something no game has been able to do besides WoW. Probably why people still call it the Holy Grail. But even they now lose mass amounts of players and their player base is tiny compared to what it once was.

gervaise1 · October 2016

rodarin said:

Why us he quoting numbers from March in Oct? We all know that those 7 months the popualtion has gone through who knows howmnay dips. I suspect their numbers right now are where they were, if not fewer) than they were the day before it went live.

F2P has a double edged effect. Youre not subbing so you dont feel the urgency to log in and 'get your monies worth' but it will cause a short term increases in log in from people who can do it 'just because its free'. The thing EVERY game has had be it buy to plau, pay to play or free to play has been retention. Especially beyond hard core fans or botters or guys looking to use the game to benefit financially in the real world. Retaining actual casual fans has been something no game has been able to do besides WoW. Probably why people still call it the Holy Grail. But even they now lose mass amounts of players and their player base is tiny compared to what it once was.

The game isn't f2p of course. I agree with your general point though - except for WoW being an exception. 100M+ accounts means an average of 8M+ lost per year. So no different. Its just bigger and has continued to sell.

However on the topic of why is he talking about ....... my take is that he was asked - and replied to - multiple questions from day 1 PC release to the recent update. Only a fraction of what he will have said though made it into the article.

SlyLoK · October 2016

I wouldnt be surprised if the player base has doubled since the One Tamriel update. Everywhere is crazy busy even the starting islands have plenty of players ( I went back to Bleakrock.. Forgot how awesome that area looks ).

Having that crown sale at the same time was genius as well.

Makes me wonder how many more will come back / stay once housing comes out and then when Vvardenfel ( Morrowind ) releases. Dang.

Scorchien · October 2016

postlarval said:

QuarterStack said:

Seriously, Wizardry, not everything in the world is some evil corporate scheme, however much you seem to want to see it that way. I don't think I've ever met someone - in real life, or on a forum - who was so consistently negative as you. Do you have this same pessimistic, "everything's bad, everything's evil" mentality in real life, too? Must be a real downer to be around if you do. Lighten up, man!

+1

It is getting bit tiresome, yes?

@Wizardry Tell us where the bad CEO touched you...

But to be fair its everything is bad.................. .except FFXI

postlarval · October 2016

Scorchien said:

postlarval said:

QuarterStack said:

Seriously, Wizardry, not everything in the world is some evil corporate scheme, however much you seem to want to see it that way. I don't think I've ever met someone - in real life, or on a forum - who was so consistently negative as you. Do you have this same pessimistic, "everything's bad, everything's evil" mentality in real life, too? Must be a real downer to be around if you do. Lighten up, man!

+1

It is getting bit tiresome, yes?

@Wizardry Tell us where the bad CEO touched you...

But to be fair its everything is bad.................. .except FFXI

I guess the point of my response went soaring right over your head. *woosh*

Aethaeryn · October 2016

Dragnelus said:

Loke666 said:

Torval said:

Wow, that's crazy concurrency. Look at steamcharts for a comparison and there are only a couple titles that hit that. For another comparison EVE has a fairly consistent concurrency of around 32k - 36k as a daily peak.

It would be so fun to look at other metrics and dig through the database.

While I have all respect for Eve, the game is from 2003 so comparing it with ESO seems a bit unfair.

GW2, FFXIV and TOR would make more sense. Yeah, those games are not on steam but they are beside WoW and ESO the western top 5.

That doesn't make the numbers less good of course.

FFXIV is on steam, I was so stupid to buy the steam version

@Dragnelus
@Torval

If you buy on steam you don't get a regular account? I have only used steam as a launcher for a few MMOs like LOTRO. You are not able to download the game and enter account info? That sucks!

Distopia · October 2016

postlarval said:

Scorchien said:

postlarval said:

QuarterStack said:

Seriously, Wizardry, not everything in the world is some evil corporate scheme, however much you seem to want to see it that way. I don't think I've ever met someone - in real life, or on a forum - who was so consistently negative as you. Do you have this same pessimistic, "everything's bad, everything's evil" mentality in real life, too? Must be a real downer to be around if you do. Lighten up, man!

+1

It is getting bit tiresome, yes?

@Wizardry Tell us where the bad CEO touched you...

But to be fair its everything is bad.................. .except FFXI

I guess the point of my response went soaring right over your head. *woosh*

I thought he was referring to Wiz's love of FFXI.

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