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/r/MMORPG Hosts AMA with Brad McQuaid, Tons of New Info

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited August 2016 in News & Features Discussion

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Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen News - Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen's Brad McQuaid took part in a special AMA via /r/MMORPG earlier today. During the 'Ask Me Anything' event, Mr. McQuaid fielded a number of community questions including the team's vision for the end game, whether or not there will be instanced raids, how Visionary Realms plans to prevent 'early sunset' ala Vanguard, quest hubs, grind, live events, a player-driven economy and much more.

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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    edited August 2016
    "My reaction to multi boxing is to try something first before I even entertain the idea of artificially restricting it: I want to make combat, especially mid and higher level combat, so tactically intense, with so much going on, so much to do, so much to counter, so many companions to keep alive, and the timing of many abilities crucial, that multi-boxing is, if not impossible, extremely difficult and likely far inferior to having an actual real person in your group."

    Would love him if he could accomplish this if nothing else. Playing FFXI for nearly a decade and multi-boxing for most of that time, it was okay when I was into the game but part of the reason I dont go back is cause I honestly dont miss it lol. It felt like I was 'free' when I stopped. Granted there's companions in the game now but honestly the AI is pretty bad for most of them like tanks and melee, not to mention you have to stay engaged in combat which is annoying if you want to play a mage job

    I didn't look through the whole thing, but since we're limited by how many abilities we can utilize at once, does anyone know if there will be an ability leveling system, I suppose similar to ESO. I did like this part alot about ESO; however I didn't like that my secondary bar abilities wouldn't level with my primary (when I used to play more I suppose) and I kept forgetting to switch during quests so they would level.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671

    Albatroes said:

    "My reaction to multi boxing is to try something first before I even entertain the idea of artificially restricting it: I want to make combat, especially mid and higher level combat, so tactically intense, with so much going on, so much to do, so much to counter, so many companions to keep alive, and the timing of many abilities crucial, that multi-boxing is, if not impossible, extremely difficult and likely far inferior to having an actual real person in your group."



    Would love him if he could accomplish this if nothing else. Playing FFXI for nearly a decade and multi-boxing for most of that time, it was okay when I was into the game but part of the reason I dont go back is cause I honestly dont miss it lol. It felt like I was 'free' when I stopped. Granted there's companions in the game now but honestly the AI is pretty bad for most of them like tanks and melee, not to mention you have to stay engaged in combat which is annoying if you want to play a mage job

    I didn't look through the whole thing, but since we're limited by how many abilities we can utilize at once, does anyone know if there will be an ability leveling system, I suppose similar to ESO. I did like this part alot about ESO; however I didn't like that my secondary bar abilities wouldn't level with my primary (when I used to play more I suppose) and I kept forgetting to switch during quests so they would level.



    "First, 2-4 hours is great -- you should in most cases be able to complete something in that time period that you can feel good about, where you get a real sense of accomplishment. As for travel and lfg, please allow me to clarify. First, there will, in addition to mounts, be ways to travel quickly over long distances. These will involve abilities limited to some of the classes. More detail at this time would be premature other than to say that you'll likely have to had explored on foot an area before another class can teleport you to it. LFG features... we will have LFG features galore. Please see my previous reply about how important it is for us to find groups, make real friends, and to keep our players together."
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  • NitemareMMONitemareMMO Member UncommonPosts: 239
    He's building a game for a niche set of players. People are saying those are already extinct but I hope he makes it and I hope there's enough niche players at least to make one small guild.

    However I have 20 years of software development under my belt and many of the answers raised red flags (don't worry I understand some things he does not yet want to reveal). Many systems he's just clueless how they will implement and probably will end up in vicious iterative cycle of trial and error for which they are too small company to afford.
  • ScummScumm Member UncommonPosts: 78
    Sorry about the other discussion I created.  I never look at this forum so I had no idea there was already an announcement.

    Other than that, here are some good bits summarized:

    • New $50 pledge tier hopefully coming in mid-September
    • Buy/Sell locations will largely be determined and driven by the community
    • Rangers will not require the use of pets
    • No ! or ? above NPC heads
    • Character appearance in combat regions will be determined by the actual adventuring items they are wearing.  There will probably be some restrictions as to where you can appear using your cosmetic gear.
    • Crafted gear will be just as important as dropped gear, but will likely perform a slightly different purpose.
    • When will we get our hands on the game to help test?  Likely early 2018
  • DukeTyrionDukeTyrion Member UncommonPosts: 89
    edited August 2016


    He's building a game for a niche set of players. People are saying those are already extinct but I hope he makes it and I hope there's enough niche players at least to make one small guild.






    I think the 'Niche' group may be much bigger than people expect. Many players that want to play this kind of game have stopped playing other MMOs and are just waiting for something like this to return to the market.

    With Pantheon being somewhat unique on the development front, I suspect it may even make a bit of a killing.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,536
    DMKano said:


    He's building a game for a niche set of players. People are saying those are already extinct but I hope he makes it and I hope there's enough niche players at least to make one small guild.






    I think the 'Niche' group may be much bigger than people expect. Many players that want to play this kind of game have stopped playing other MMOs and are just waiting for something like this to return to the market.

    With Pantheon being somewhat unique on the development front, I suspect it may even make a bit of a killing.

    It is niche because 6 months post launch there won't be even 100k players. 

    I guess define niche - it certainly won't have 10min players. 

    It won't even have 1mil at launch, I think if they hit 300k players at launch it would be amazing.


    The game is niche through and through
    Thanks O wise seer.


  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,536
    edited August 2016
    Scumm said:
    Sorry about the other discussion I created.  I never look at this forum so I had no idea there was already an announcement.

    Other than that, here are some good bits summarized:

    • New $50 pledge tier hopefully coming in mid-September
    • Buy/Sell locations will largely be determined and driven by the community
    • Rangers will not require the use of pets
    • No ! or ? above NPC heads
    • Character appearance in combat regions will be determined by the actual adventuring items they are wearing.  There will probably be some restrictions as to where you can appear using your cosmetic gear.
    • Crafted gear will be just as important as dropped gear, but will likely perform a slightly different purpose.
    • When will we get our hands on the game to help test?  Likely early 2018
    Just to clarify the last point, 2018 is likely when the average person will get to test. That probably marks about the time they will start beta testing. For I think pre-alpha or alpha testing, they are aiming for early 2017.

    Also to note, much like their game, Pantheon testing will be traditional testing. It won't just be early access, but probably focusing on improving specific parts of the game.


  • ScummScumm Member UncommonPosts: 78
    edited August 2016

    Dullahan said:

    Just to clarify the last point, 2018 is likely when the average person will get to test. That probably marks about the time they will start beta testing. For I think pre-alpha or alpha testing, they are aiming for early 2017.

    Also to note, much like their game, Pantheon testing will be traditional testing. It won't just be early access, but probably focusing on improving specific parts of the game.



    Thanks for adding some perspective to that, I was a bit thrown off by the date myself.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,536
    edited August 2016
    The reality of Pantheon is that its probably less niche than any game outside of the mainstream WoW inspired games. Even games like Black Desert are more niche than Pantheon will be, as it offers many of the same features as any other MMO, in a more cooperative and challenging open world environment. Its largely inspired by a game that pulled in half a million players at the turn of the century, which is a larger playerbase than most games can keep around today.

    People can talk about the market being "super saturated" all they want, but the truth is there is nothing out there like Pantheon and the further away modern games move from what made first gen mmos great, the more popular Pantheon will be when it launches.


  • NitemareMMONitemareMMO Member UncommonPosts: 239


    He's building a game for a niche set of players. People are saying those are already extinct but I hope he makes it and I hope there's enough niche players at least to make one small guild.






    I think the 'Niche' group may be much bigger than people expect. Many players that want to play this kind of game have stopped playing other MMOs and are just waiting for something like this to return to the market.

    With Pantheon being somewhat unique on the development front, I suspect it may even make a bit of a killing.
    Even tho my 1st paragraph contains sarcasm let me be clear I have no ill wish for this project.

    But you need to understand there is a big gap between his wishes and team's capability and company's monetary resources and implementation's actual appeal to players.

    Designing and implementing games is a real challenge. Gamers are among if not the most demanding software customers and their picture doesn't seem to be as clear or confident as it's required. Let's just hope I'm wrong on all accounts for the sake of the project's success :)
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    edited August 2016
    Well although I do believe the game is aimed at the niche, Brad is obviously trying to expand certain systems and associations to a more modern community. 'Fast travel' will only work if the player has been to the area before and there is someone that can summon so I think that's not a deal breaker for most people. Its still too early to tell but they seem to have a good chunk of stuff in the works. The best thing I feel they can do is stay current to what other mmos are doing and not really emulate them but take not as to what works and what does then plan accordingly. Honestly, the 'perfect' mmorpg takes the best of every mmorpg and just lumps them together instead of just copy/pasting wow. Games honestly do not have to be innovative, just execute the systems they take a perfectly as possible.
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    DMKano said:


    He's building a game for a niche set of players. People are saying those are already extinct but I hope he makes it and I hope there's enough niche players at least to make one small guild.






    I think the 'Niche' group may be much bigger than people expect. Many players that want to play this kind of game have stopped playing other MMOs and are just waiting for something like this to return to the market.

    With Pantheon being somewhat unique on the development front, I suspect it may even make a bit of a killing.

    It is niche because 6 months post launch there won't be even 100k players. 

    I guess define niche - it certainly won't have 10mil players. 

    It won't even have 1mil at launch, I think if they hit 300k players at launch it would be amazing.


    The game is niche through and through
    divide those numbers by 5 or 10 and you might be closer.

    Group oriented games (that arent RP centric) are not going to work. People like doing their own thing. Having the need to be grouped makes it a very small market then add in McQuaid and it gets even smaller.

    The game couldnt even get funded on kickstarter, not even close. The way everyone throws money at every stupid game concept to come out that alone says all you need to know about this. Lack of funds more than likely pertains to McQuaid than the game concept but the concept is no great selling point either.
  • NeanderthalNeanderthal Member RarePosts: 1,861

    I suppose I should just let this go but I have some time to kill.

    Brad keeps saying that the game isn't focused on end game raiding.  But then he talks about how it's going to have a built in DKP system and a built in raid-loot distribution system and a built in raid attendance tracker and crap like that.  Um...ok, if the game isn't going to be focused on raiding then why would they put so much time and effort into that sort of stuff.

    He likes to point out that most of the game will be designed for grouping and not raiding.  Yeah, alright, that might technically be true in the sense that more areas of the game will probably be designed for grouping.  But anyone with half a brain should know how it will play out in a game like the one he's building.  It will be primarily about grouping for experience as you level up your character.  Depending on the speed of leveling this phase will last two or maybe three months....maybe four at the most.  After that it's going to be all about raiding.  Raiding will be the only way to continue progressing your character and this will be the case for the remaining lifetime of the game.

    So let us just assume the game does well and stays up and running for many years.  In that case, for any given character you play the game will be three months of grouping (give or take a month or so) followed by years of raiding.  But it's not focused on end-game raiding?  Really?  Yeah, right.

    I'm actually rooting for them to get this game finished and polished and stable so that whatever happens to it after release can't be blamed on the technical functionality of the game and will only be attributable to the design principles.  It'll be interesting to watch.

  • carotidcarotid Member UncommonPosts: 425

    I suppose I should just let this go but I have some time to kill.

    Brad keeps saying that the game isn't focused on end game raiding.  But then he talks about how it's going to have a built in DKP system and a built in raid-loot distribution system and a built in raid attendance tracker and crap like that.  Um...ok, if the game isn't going to be focused on raiding then why would they put so much time and effort into that sort of stuff.


    Your "end game" mindset is showing. Stop thinking that way and you will understand.
  • NeanderthalNeanderthal Member RarePosts: 1,861
    carotid said:

    I suppose I should just let this go but I have some time to kill.

    Brad keeps saying that the game isn't focused on end game raiding.  But then he talks about how it's going to have a built in DKP system and a built in raid-loot distribution system and a built in raid attendance tracker and crap like that.  Um...ok, if the game isn't going to be focused on raiding then why would they put so much time and effort into that sort of stuff.


    Your "end game" mindset is showing. Stop thinking that way and you will understand.


    I suppose life would be simpler if could stop thinking but I'm not sure how to do it.  How did you managed to stop thinking. 

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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    I seem to fluctuate greatly on this game.  One day, everything looks good.  The next, there's something that raises a flag.

    Like @NitemareMMO, my IT experience screams when a company is already deeply entangled in development, but there are several significant systems that don't appear to have been thought about.  Brad is pretty good about informing us when he isn't telling us about something they have thought about, but I think he is a bit transparent when something goes off script.  For instance, I am suspicious whenever someone mentions a feature, and the answer is 'Yes, we will put that in later.'  It makes it seem to me that the development team is promising everything that pops up in a discussion (afraid to say 'no'), or worse, the plan isn't as solid as the developers claim; the action aren't matching the statements.  That smells of 'feature creep' to me, and that almost always translates into delays.

    I am still concerned about the niche nature of the market this game is targeting.  Like @DMKano, I am worried that the small nature of this population is not going to be sufficient to maintain this game as a viable product 6 months past launch.  I really don't want to invest energy into a game that might show up in 2-3 years, only to disappear in year later.  I've detailed out my beliefs on the size of this market in other threads.  In summary, I feel the people who would be attracted by EQ1-like game play have already gotten bored of this style of game and moved on -- sometime before 2005.  I feel the advocates of this game are wildly overestimating the size of this niche.

    I guess the red flags are flying today here at Mendelhol.

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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    I liked this comment, as I miss "triggering" events from, for example, EQ:

    "GM events are great for making the world more dynamic, and we will have them, but we're not stopping there. Our Event system will cause the population of a zone or region within that zone to vary depending on different triggers. Someone finishing a quest may cause an event to trigger. Killing a certain mob could cause an event to trigger. The weather, or time of day, etc. could cause an event to trigger. So the world will be more dynamic than what has been seen in many other MMOs. That said, it will not be too dynamic -- players should still be able to learn their way around the game and the world and use that knowledge to their advantage. No one wants complete unpredictability."

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • Ammon777_newAmmon777_new Member UncommonPosts: 306
    Sounds great! I didnt play EQ very much but Im looking forward to Pantheon.
  • krulerkruler Member UncommonPosts: 589
    There was way to many "I dont see why not" and " Oh thats something we will be adding later, or maybe later" Brad is still being Brad and thats worrying me greatly.

    No pledge from me, going to wait till post release, dont get me wrong loved EQ1 and Vanguard would still be playing Vanguard if I could (Yes I know about THAT Vanguard Project, its far from ready) But Brads wishy washy wish list smells like Vanguard 1.0 and I will wait till wishes become more real before I pony up.

  • acidbloodacidblood Member RarePosts: 878
    Cautiously optimistic about this one. Didn't play EQ but I love games with open, well crafted worlds that emphasize the journey, and don't mind playing in (small) groups.

    Didn't see it asked, but does anyone know what sort of group size they are targeting? i.e. I know different content will require different size groups, but for general world content would a team of 2-3 be enough 70%+ of the time? Or would you need a minimum of 4 (tank, healer, DPS, CC) with 5-6 being more 'optimal'?
  • GaendricGaendric Member UncommonPosts: 624
    A lot of it sounds great. Now he just has to deliver what he is promising and he'll get my money and I'll even smile while paying.

  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,536
    acidblood said:
    Cautiously optimistic about this one. Didn't play EQ but I love games with open, well crafted worlds that emphasize the journey, and don't mind playing in (small) groups.

    Didn't see it asked, but does anyone know what sort of group size they are targeting? i.e. I know different content will require different size groups, but for general world content would a team of 2-3 be enough 70%+ of the time? Or would you need a minimum of 4 (tank, healer, DPS, CC) with 5-6 being more 'optimal'?
    I believe the streams showed 6 man groups but they haven't decided whether standard group size will be 6 or 8 players at launch. Non-dungeon content will have stuff for everyone from solo players to full groups, though soloing will be more challenging and less efficient than in other games.


  • kinkyJalepenokinkyJalepeno Member UncommonPosts: 1,044
    edited August 2016


    Well what I read was this game is starting to shape up into the kind of game many gamers in the West say they want. If it does turn out well made and well received, we may just see a Western style MMO renaissance.



    Good cos I'm sick to my back teeth with all these Korean, P2W and RNJesus ridden clusterf*cks
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