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And the other shoe drops. Win 10 Enterprise becomes a subscription service with a monthly charge

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  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,223
    snowman22 said:
    and subbing for consumers who pay payment plans on a $900 iphone every 2 years is different how? the subscription model is great when applied to MS office. i use all keys i have and happily pay $99 a yr for lifetime upgrades to newest versions. instead of paying $300 every two years 5 times over. if MS guarantees me 5 keys forever that will be upgraded til MS goes out of business i would pay them yearly 
    It's different because
    1) You don't need an iphone the way you need a PC for business
    2) There's competition for different smart phones, not so much for PCs.
    3) Apple makes less-buggy products
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member EpicPosts: 10,792
    Phry said:
    Why is everyone debating using Enterprise Win 10 in here when 99.99999999% of you won't. Ever. It's the corporate business solution, not the home solution, not even the small business solution. All they're doing is trying to play catch up with Redhat and SuSE linux enterprise, which has followed this model for years. Only difference is that their 'home'/testing versions of their software are free, whereas M$ still wants you to pay for it.

    And for those that want to keep saying how difficult or archaic linux is to use... I'd recommend you to my 83+ year old grandparents that use it daily with zero problems and are happy as hell not to have to call me almost weekly to come fix X or Y windoze problem.
    I think its got people concerned because it could very easily migrate to other versions of Win10. There is even some indication that Win10 Home Edition will eventually require some form of subscription, and now i am seriously considering wiping my HD and reinstalling Win7/64.

    I don't disagree about Linux being easy to use, it is, i've used Ubuntu in the past and its perfectly fine, the problem has always been lack of support from developers, if that ever changes, then i could quite happily turn my back on MS forever, until then though, i think its going to have to be Win 7.

    The way I figured it long ago is that, while linux has been slooooooowly gaining ground with game developers, there's still consoles. Windoze is just a glorified xbox, games are the only thing it does well vs. any other OS. But in a business, or as I'd noted, a granny's home, linux will do nearly everything windows will do, much cheaper, and have far less problems (keeping in mind in both of those scenarios, there's not some windoze kiddie that has to have ALL the latest updates for no reason other than they're there... *nix tends to work best for people that KNOW how to run a computer, not let some corporate entity dictate how they should run it).
    You forget that a lot of college courses utilize microsoft software as a standard.  "Now open up your word document"  "Open up excel and use this formula"  

    Just like how many design classes use Adobe as a standard.

    A lot of people that I do work for know how to utilize Windows, they know office programs, they were taught with them and that's what they're comfortable with.

    Granny on linux is an exception, not nearly the rule.  I tried rolling out Ubuntu here in a testing capacity, despite having little support from our specialized software vendors.  It just didn't work as well.

    A shift to linux in any capacity is still a long ways off for most companies and consumers. 



  • PyrostasisPyrostasis Member UncommonPosts: 2,293
    Grunty said:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/14/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-new-monthly-charge/#2649f6dfab3f

    "That cost will be $7 per user per month but the good news is it only applies to enterprises, for now. The new pricing tier will be called “Windows 10 Enterprise E3” and it means Windows has finally joined Office 365 and Azure as a subscription service."

    Most services these days are heading in that direction. The software has just gotten too expensive and consumers are much happier to pay a smaller frequent payment than they are a one off payment.

    Adobe, Office, Windows, all services using this. Its the new norm.
    sorry but i have just LOL at the ''the software has just gotten too expensive''  ... do you know how much profit they make just curently ???

    let help the poor dev behind microsoft... humm wait... that billgate ?? the guys who got so much money already.... guess? ho okay.... he need make everything more expensive, how else he can pay pay his poor worker ?? they want food to eat ??!!

    here you go customer, pay for it !!

    honestly, i totaly dont agree with you !!! im a customer and im much more happy to pay for something only one time and own it !! with subcription based it become way more expensive realy soon.... i used window xp for almost 8 years and im curently on window 7 and will stay there, until they force me !! my window xp would be like 4x more expensive using this model...
    sorry but that bullshit

    small off payment are usualy way worst that pay something one time.
    Im not disagreeing that it CAN end up being more expensive under a sub model, however the key is low barrier to entry.

    Windows usually costs about 150 - 200 not counting student discounts and such. For some families thats a big expense that is REQUIRED really to even own a computer. This forces some families to not purchase upgrades when they would like to for certain features for cost reasons. Even more so if you have multiple computers the cost just gets more and more expensive.

    With a sub model of $7 bucks (which again is the enterprise edition not designed for consumers like us usually) the barrier to entry is WAY lower. From an economic standpoint drastically more consumers will be able to afford this and even with a lower upfront payment as you've said the company wins out. Better for the consumer and better for the company.

    I will agree however that windows is a poor platform value wise for the subscription model due to the fact you rarely get a new version of the software before you've out payed the cost. However for other services like adobe's creative cloud where a new version of premiere or photoshop can drop every year you as the consumer end up saving big bucks.

    I would however like to touch on your other point. You seem to harbor some dislike / hatred towards Bill Gates and his company because they make money. Every business wants to make money, thats their goal, thats their reason for existing. They want to make the MOST money they can while not angering their customers. 

    Just because someone is successful doesnt mean they are bad, just because someone does something that will make them more money also doesnt mean they are bad. MS takes that $$ and hires more workers, can afford to make more software, faster updates, buying more services from other companies and yes more money in Bill Gates and his shareholders pockets.

    Microsoft isnt the enemy. I'm sorry you dont like the new model, but with the recent changes in the software field and the success of programs like Office 365 and Adobe Creative Cloud this is probably going to be the way forward.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,343
    Hrimnir said:
    Will never happen.  They'll try it and consumers will tell them to eat dicks and they'll go out of business or change back to a standard model.
    At this point in time MS needs to follow IBM IMO.

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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,143
    Asm0deus said:
    Hrimnir said:
    Will never happen.  They'll try it and consumers will tell them to eat dicks and they'll go out of business or change back to a standard model.
    At this point in time MS needs to follow IBM IMO.
    That actually may not be a bad idea. IBM has spun or sold off almost all of their consumer products to focus on enterprise. Maybe the one-size-fits-all Windows isn't the right path anymore. The "tech" differences between the different versions is pretty minor, the only real difference between the different Windows flavors is how you pay for it, even though there are big differences in use and requirements
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,321
    edited July 2016
    Nanfoodle said:
    Nicely played MS. Maybe it's time to switch to Apple. 
    What is Apple alternative to MS Server platform...?
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    If they want to have Win 10 on as many PC as possible then what they should do is sell per year package and remove the 1 time buy price. For example : 50$ per year for home/basic edition, 75% per year for Pro etc. With this people would be able to buy access for 1 year and start using without have to shelling out a couple hundred at once and Microsoft can achieve their goal to have more PC with Win 10.

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 12,698
    What it comes down to is always the same thing. People will find a way to complain about big business. Period. If this option makes it easier to allow people access to the software so be it.
     

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 9,073
    If they want to have Win 10 on as many PC as possible then what they should do is sell per year package and remove the 1 time buy price. For example : 50$ per year for home/basic edition, 75% per year for Pro etc. With this people would be able to buy access for 1 year and start using without have to shelling out a couple hundred at once and Microsoft can achieve their goal to have more PC with Win 10.
    I would rather see it like 360 Office. 99.99 for the year and includes 5 PC, share a key with 4 other friends. Like you do with 360 Office. 
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,297
    I think if they do decide to push a Windows 10 subscription fee, they will be offering further cloud integration and a lack of a product key on Windows installs. Pretty much your subscription is your key. If that happens things like moving from machine to machine will be pretty simple.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,143
    Cleffy said:
    I think if they do decide to push a Windows 10 subscription fee, they will be offering further cloud integration and a lack of a product key on Windows installs. Pretty much your subscription is your key. If that happens things like moving from machine to machine will be pretty simple.
    There has already been talk about linking your Windows product key to your Microsoft account. The only thing it's missing to do as you describe is to enable the Windows subscription service on the MS Account page (just like they already do for Office...)
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited July 2016
    If they want to have Win 10 on as many PC as possible then what they should do is sell per year package and remove the 1 time buy price. For example : 50$ per year for home/basic edition, 75% per year for Pro etc. With this people would be able to buy access for 1 year and start using without have to shelling out a couple hundred at once and Microsoft can achieve their goal to have more PC with Win 10.
    It has been (still is?) free to upgarde to Win10. There has and is no talk of a yearly cost. People still complain.

    Me? I've upgraded with no problems and see no reason to worry about something that might never happen. Those who haven't and don't intend to don't need to worry either.
  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 940
    Heh, many here claim subs are the way to go for games. A sub instantly means quality. Take the most P2W game, combine it with the worst Korean grinder (which might be the same anyways), have it crash every 5 minutes..but if you slap a sub on it, it's instantly the second coming. Or something like that, i wouldn't know, i don't like subs.

    Anyways, why are subs suddenly bad now that we are talking about other software? How is this different? Hint: It isn't.

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,343
    Anireth said:
    Heh, many here claim subs are the way to go for games. A sub instantly means quality. Take the most P2W game, combine it with the worst Korean grinder (which might be the same anyways), have it crash every 5 minutes..but if you slap a sub on it, it's instantly the second coming. Or something like that, i wouldn't know, i don't like subs.

    Anyways, why are subs suddenly bad now that we are talking about other software? How is this different? Hint: It isn't.
    I think it's a bad choice for consumers, maybe not so much for companies, in that I view the OS in a PC kind of like the engine in my car.  If I buy my car I want to own it and not have to pay monthly for "just the motor".

    I mean if I was interested in leasing or renting I would do that for the whole item. I wont even go into how MS win 10 has other issues.

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,143
    Asm0deus said:
    Anireth said:
    Heh, many here claim subs are the way to go for games. A sub instantly means quality. Take the most P2W game, combine it with the worst Korean grinder (which might be the same anyways), have it crash every 5 minutes..but if you slap a sub on it, it's instantly the second coming. Or something like that, i wouldn't know, i don't like subs.

    Anyways, why are subs suddenly bad now that we are talking about other software? How is this different? Hint: It isn't.
    I think it's a bad choice for consumers, maybe not so much for companies, in that I view the OS in a PC kind of like the engine in my car.  If I buy my car I want to own it and not have to pay monthly for "just the motor".

    I mean if I was interested in leasing or renting I would do that for the whole item. I wont even go into how MS win 10 has other issues.
    That actually is a very good point, and I hadn't thought of it that way.
  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    They want everyone to rent the OS.  They're just doing it a little at a time.  It's a price hike.
    No, they want money. And MMO's are doing it, plus they are doing it with things like Office365. It's a continuous drain of our wallets and endless giving them more money. MMO's started it with the f2p crap, and now it's spreading. 
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,343
    edited August 2016
    It begins....lol
    http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/
    Professional editions of Windows 10 ship with the Group Policy Editor that enables users and administrators to make changes to the default configuration of the operating system. Up until now, policy availability was more or less identical for all professional versions of Windows 10. Turns out, this is no longer the case when the Windows 10 Anniversary Update is released. Some policies contain a note stating that they only apply to certain editions of Windows 10, with Windows 10 Pro not being listed as one of them. Note: This setting only applies to Enterprise, Education, and Server SKUs Furthermore, the corresponding Registry keys are not working either anymore which means that Pro users have no option to make changes to features affected by the change

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,827
    I'll sit here with my Linux/W7 until the Earth swallow us all, drinking my coffee and watching this shit show.

    MS is trying so hard to push monopoly. Add this to UWP and forced Windows Store purchase on games (that still shady as f***).

    Now they announced if you buy something on xbox you'll get a copy at pc. When asked if the copy bought on PC would run free at xbox they said yes, even the ones bought on Steam, GOG, or any other besides Windows Store... Then when they asked But if I buy it on Xbox will I be able to add the game to my Steam library? They refused to answer.

    I can be wrong (I hope so), but I think they'll try to mix it in a way that if you have an XBOXone, buy a game on it, you'll get additional copy as UWP that can only be redeemed at Windows Store and installed on W10, thus forcing console players to have W10... After that they can easily force subscription on your W10 regardless the version - And people will choose to pay it instead of losing what they have.

    They'll gain numbers from grannies who would gladly pay to avoid having to deal with this kind of problem... And lose numbers from people who actually knows to work around OS's in general when those people start to see it coming. For business not much of a choice depending on what you work with.

    Like someone said before, they have the balls on their hands. Something like that.
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  • Fish_TacosFish_Tacos Member UncommonPosts: 45
    DMKano said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Nicely played MS. Maybe it's time to switch to Apple. 
    Good luck finding many MMOs to play -  the one that comes off the top of my head is Trove, it  does have a mac client

    Also WoW, GW2, DDO, Lotro and Diablo 3 all have mac clients

    But he'll be missing out on all the Asian imports.

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  • botrytisbotrytis Member RarePosts: 3,346
    Nyctelios said:
    I'll sit here with my Linux/W7 until the Earth swallow us all, drinking my coffee and watching this shit show.

    MS is trying so hard to push monopoly. Add this to UWP and forced Windows Store purchase on games (that still shady as f***).

    Now they announced if you buy something on xbox you'll get a copy at pc. When asked if the copy bought on PC would run free at xbox they said yes, even the ones bought on Steam, GOG, or any other besides Windows Store... Then when they asked But if I buy it on Xbox will I be able to add the game to my Steam library? They refused to answer.

    I can be wrong (I hope so), but I think they'll try to mix it in a way that if you have an XBOXone, buy a game on it, you'll get additional copy as UWP that can only be redeemed at Windows Store and installed on W10, thus forcing console players to have W10... After that they can easily force subscription on your W10 regardless the version - And people will choose to pay it instead of losing what they have.

    They'll gain numbers from grannies who would gladly pay to avoid having to deal with this kind of problem... And lose numbers from people who actually knows to work around OS's in general when those people start to see it coming. For business not much of a choice depending on what you work with.

    Like someone said before, they have the balls on their hands. Something like that.

    No there not - JEEZ. Apple is the one to rule all - I mean that is what they are really doing.


  • NycteliosNyctelios Member EpicPosts: 3,827
    botrytis said:
    Nyctelios said:
    I'll sit here with my Linux/W7 until the Earth swallow us all, drinking my coffee and watching this shit show.

    MS is trying so hard to push monopoly. Add this to UWP and forced Windows Store purchase on games (that still shady as f***).

    Now they announced if you buy something on xbox you'll get a copy at pc. When asked if the copy bought on PC would run free at xbox they said yes, even the ones bought on Steam, GOG, or any other besides Windows Store... Then when they asked But if I buy it on Xbox will I be able to add the game to my Steam library? They refused to answer.

    I can be wrong (I hope so), but I think they'll try to mix it in a way that if you have an XBOXone, buy a game on it, you'll get additional copy as UWP that can only be redeemed at Windows Store and installed on W10, thus forcing console players to have W10... After that they can easily force subscription on your W10 regardless the version - And people will choose to pay it instead of losing what they have.

    They'll gain numbers from grannies who would gladly pay to avoid having to deal with this kind of problem... And lose numbers from people who actually knows to work around OS's in general when those people start to see it coming. For business not much of a choice depending on what you work with.

    Like someone said before, they have the balls on their hands. Something like that.

    No there not - JEEZ. Apple is the one to rule all - I mean that is what they are really doing.

    So you play XBOXone titles on your apple device?
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  • craftseekercraftseeker Member RarePosts: 1,740
    edited August 2016
    Asm0deus said:
    Anireth said:
    Heh, many here claim subs are the way to go for games. A sub instantly means quality. Take the most P2W game, combine it with the worst Korean grinder (which might be the same anyways), have it crash every 5 minutes..but if you slap a sub on it, it's instantly the second coming. Or something like that, i wouldn't know, i don't like subs.

    Anyways, why are subs suddenly bad now that we are talking about other software? How is this different? Hint: It isn't.
    I think it's a bad choice for consumers, maybe not so much for companies, in that I view the OS in a PC kind of like the engine in my car.  If I buy my car I want to own it and not have to pay monthly for "just the motor".

    I mean if I was interested in leasing or renting I would do that for the whole item. I wont even go into how MS win 10 has other issues.
    That is a silly analogy. Back when mid range UNIX boxes were a thing you could sell your old one but the purchaser had to by new software licenses from the vendor. No one ever said 'but that's like selling a car without an engine'. Even with Windows 10 we are talking about 'cars with engines', they have an OS already this is an upgrade.

    On the enterprise level there have been Microsoft software maintenance agreements for decades that allowed free upgrades and licensing of their software.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 3,343
    edited August 2016
    Asm0deus said:
    Anireth said:
    Heh, many here claim subs are the way to go for games. A sub instantly means quality. Take the most P2W game, combine it with the worst Korean grinder (which might be the same anyways), have it crash every 5 minutes..but if you slap a sub on it, it's instantly the second coming. Or something like that, i wouldn't know, i don't like subs.

    Anyways, why are subs suddenly bad now that we are talking about other software? How is this different? Hint: It isn't.
    I think it's a bad choice for consumers, maybe not so much for companies, in that I view the OS in a PC kind of like the engine in my car.  If I buy my car I want to own it and not have to pay monthly for "just the motor".

    I mean if I was interested in leasing or renting I would do that for the whole item. I wont even go into how MS win 10 has other issues.
    That is a silly analogy. Back when mid range UNIX boxes were a thing you could sell your old one but the purchaser had to by new software licenses from the vendor. No one ever said 'but that's like selling a car without an engine'. Even with Windows 10 we are talking about 'cars with engines', they have an OS already this is an upgrade.

    On the enterprise level there have been Microsoft software maintenance agreements for decades that allowed free upgrades and licensing of their software.
    Nothing silly about it and maybe you need to go back an understand what I am saying, at least Ridelynn got my point.

    As to windows 10 being an "upgrade" that all depends on your point of view, to me windows 10 is a serious downgrade.

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





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