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Are Backers Publishers?

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,127
edited August 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageAre Backers Publishers?

There was no update this week, which I’m hearing ironically means some good things for backers. As a result, I thought it might be a good time to talk about everyone’s favorite villain, video game publishers! What are they and have we become them? Let’s start with a highly simplified history lesson.

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  • WizbuizWizbuiz Member UncommonPosts: 215
    Just release this game alrdy.
  • UnleadedRevUnleadedRev Member UncommonPosts: 568
    Their problem not ours....I just buy games.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    I think many indie developers silently pray for a return of the "good 'ole days" when they were protected by publishers and didn't have to face the "tyranny of the interwebz" on a daily basis, lol
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,405
    If you pledge to a game on Fig.co yes you are because you get a return on your investment through the game's sales. Otherwise you are just buying into early access.

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  • SulaaSulaa Member UncommonPosts: 1,329
    Not they are not.  Things like Kickstarter are just pre-purcharses made very very early based on promises.

    This has nothing to do with being an investor or publisher.
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,405
    Sulaa said:
    Not they are not.  Things like Kickstarter are just pre-purcharses made very very early based on promises.

    This has nothing to do with being an investor or publisher.
    Fig.co allows you to be an investor. Kickstarter is just early access. I wish an MMO would use Fig to be honest. I even brought it up to Brad McQ

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 9,727
    If you give money to a project like this expect 2 things.

    1. Nothing in return. You are buying into an idea not a working product
    2. Expect that a trove of internet twits can cause enough bad publicity that your dream game can be derailed or changed.
  • nimander99nimander99 Member UncommonPosts: 288
    This is why I wanted Bernie elected! Cause he would've made everything free! And we all know how well free everything turns out...
  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667


    I think many indie developers silently pray for a return of the "good 'ole days" when they were protected by publishers and didn't have to face the "tyranny of the interwebz" on a daily basis, lol



    No, because there really is no difference.

    Pardon any spelling errors
    Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
    Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
    Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667



    Sulaa said:

    Not they are not.  Things like Kickstarter are just pre-purcharses made very very early based on promises.

    This has nothing to do with being an investor or publisher.


    Fig.co allows you to be an investor. Kickstarter is just early access. I wish an MMO would use Fig to be honest. I even brought it up to Brad McQ



    And that is why none will. They don't want to go back to sharing the profits with those whose input is irrelevant or detrimental to development.

    Pardon any spelling errors
    Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
    Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
    Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • Zarkin86Zarkin86 Member UncommonPosts: 122



    Sulaa said:

    Not they are not.  Things like Kickstarter are just pre-purcharses made very very early based on promises.

    This has nothing to do with being an investor or publisher.


    Fig.co allows you to be an investor. Kickstarter is just early access. I wish an MMO would use Fig to be honest. I even brought it up to Brad McQ






    Sulaa said:

    Not they are not.  Things like Kickstarter are just pre-purcharses made very very early based on promises.

    This has nothing to do with being an investor or publisher.


    Fig.co allows you to be an investor. Kickstarter is just early access. I wish an MMO would use Fig to be honest. I even brought it up to Brad McQ



    you realize that Figs has huge problems and had a huge shitstorm because of that right? figs is a scam platform. you havent heard it yet? yet here you are, glorifying figs.

    heres the video:
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    Backers don't have any responsibility for distribution of the finished product, either electronicly or in boxes so I don't see how they could ever be seen as publishers. They are backers, low level investors who will get a copy of the game and a few rewards for donating money early.

    To call them publishers is stretching things to the point of the rediculous.
  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    SBFord said:
    imageAre Backers Publishers?

    There was no update this week, which I’m hearing ironically means some good things for backers. As a result, I thought it might be a good time to talk about everyone’s favorite villain, video game publishers! What are they and have we become them? Let’s start with a highly simplified history lesson.

    Read the full story here

    HA , they don't want to be a publisher....Unless they want to give us a ton of money, not just 20 bucks or 50 etc, and all the other stress that comes with it...Publishers take all the risk...  Backers are NOT... They donate a small amount.... or they don't... I personally don't take money from people...as to many backers think, game developers owe them the world...So I would never take a cent from them...

  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,413
    Tim seems to be confusing publisher, investor and backer.  Generally, these are completely independent and different roles.  Publishers and Investors have some specific legal rights with regards to the product; Backers don't.

    Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,380
    Backers aren't anything but a source of free money if the goals are reached.  They certainly aren't publishers.  
    As a backer, you're throwing money at something and crossing your fingers, much like playing the lottery.  If it doesn't succeed, then you have no recourse like, say, a venture capitalist would have.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    Of course not. The whole reason Kickstarter and such became so popular with devs is because it means free money, with zero obligations. Even if they run the whole project into the ground or take forever, no one has the authority to call them on it.

    As for the rage of the internet... LOL @ anyone who thinks these guys can't just tune out a herd of angry nerds while rolling in dough. xD

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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,405
    edited August 2016

    Zarkin86 said:







    Sulaa said:


    Not they are not.  Things like Kickstarter are just pre-purcharses made very very early based on promises.

    This has nothing to do with being an investor or publisher.




    Fig.co allows you to be an investor. Kickstarter is just early access. I wish an MMO would use Fig to be honest. I even brought it up to Brad McQ












    Sulaa said:


    Not they are not.  Things like Kickstarter are just pre-purcharses made very very early based on promises.

    This has nothing to do with being an investor or publisher.




    Fig.co allows you to be an investor. Kickstarter is just early access. I wish an MMO would use Fig to be honest. I even brought it up to Brad McQ






    you realize that Figs has huge problems and had a huge shitstorm because of that right? figs is a scam platform. you havent heard it yet? yet here you are, glorifying figs.



    heres the video:




    This 'video' has already been debunked by real journalists.
    There is no proof to backing up the false ideas the video presents.
    Fig is still working with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission on crucial parts of it's business model.
    Many people who backed Psychonauts 2 and Consortium are waiting. They haven't contributed anything yet; they're just holding a receipt for the opportunity to invest. They have the option of tearing up that commitment at any time. There is no 'Scam' they are just waiting on the SEC and have given none of their money yet to projects.
    BioWare co-founder Dr. Greg Zeschuk has a project involving Fig and CliffyB also has become involved with Fig. I do not believe Obsidian, CliffyB, Brain Fargo and Dr Greg are tied up in a crowdfunding scam. They have all been around the business a long long time. This was a quote from the creator of the video: "LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR: I am not accusing anyone of anything illegal or anyone ripping anyone off."

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  • NanulakNanulak Member UncommonPosts: 372
    I kind of think of the backers as soft publishers. True we have no real power to make changes to the game or its schedule we do have indirect powers.

    There is no way CSE can read our comments on a daily basis and not be influenced by our thoughts and comments. For better or worse, the backers are in a way pushing along the games development in a new and unique way. Just like our testing will undoubtedly drive choices CSE makes in the future as to what works and what does not.

    As the "soft" publisher the community actually is helping drive decisions even if we realize it or not. At least that's what I think.

    Nanulak

  • Xeno.phonXeno.phon Member UncommonPosts: 350
    Obvious customers are obvious..........
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    People still don't "get it"
    We never paid for completely unfinished games before,devs had to beg us to help them sort out their buggy unfinished mess.
    So where did gamer's go wrong?I think it is as simple as too many gamer's with money to WASTE.
    If it is such a risky business for someone an "investor"why is it so easy for us to toss money around with NO return?

    Make no mistake,if a game is too risky for an investor,it is imo not good enough.People should not be giving money to rich game developers,it is just TOO EASY to take free money with no effort hunting down investors and no risk to lose your house or other capitol.
    I do believe that f2p and free handouts has completely killed the market,there is no risk or effort needed,you can simply take your sweet ol time like Chris Roberts and just keep making money with little to show for it.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • TierlessTierless ColumnistMember EpicPosts: 3,387
    Didn't expect the concept to be so polarizing but plenty of good comments here, thanks everyone.
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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,852
    edited August 2016
    Is this a serious question?
  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 13,405

    TimEisen said:

    Didn't expect the concept to be so polarizing but plenty of good comments here, thanks everyone.



    It is a great article Tim and one that brings an interesting thought to the table. Thanks for the write up.

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    Is this a serious question?

    Seems to be.  Millennials need to be important now.  I blame Aquaman or perhaps Kanye.
    http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/QBlog190810A.html  

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    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

    LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"




  • MagikrorriMMagikrorriM Member UncommonPosts: 223


    This is why I wanted Bernie elected! Cause he would've made everything free! And we all know how well free everything turns out...



    That's because the hard working American people don't deserve to have their tax dollars spent on themselves. It is much more wiser to vote against personal self interest and give all our hard earned money to the corporations.
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