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The Greatest MMORPG Experience (1 month review)

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  • DeltoisDeltois Member UncommonPosts: 384
    Do you want me to go into a long drawn out drivel of why the game sucks. Why would I when I can simply sum it up as it sucks. I ll give you a little more, it s the worst MMO I ve played in easily 10 years. Is that enough, are you happy now. I ll sleep better knowing it satisfies you Mgisbrtsn.
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    edited July 2016

    If you are trying to critique his review
    - Character creation - it's pretty much best there is                    = Obvious Fact
    This isn't the way to do it.
    "Best there is" is neither obvious nor is it a fact..

    And the post continues in the same fashion all the way through.  Even your final statement.....
    "Everyone is entitled to their opinion but this is NOT ACCURATE as it is obvious that not everyone agrees."
    What are you saying here? 6.5 is his opinion but he's incorrect? Why? Should it be higher? And that's why it's inaccurate?

    There are other points where it appears you couldn't actually dispute what he said, so you presented an excuse as if it was OK, but regardless, his point was still true. when I see soemthing like....
    "= Newly released in NA/EU/Balance is a painful ongoing process with every patch"

    My 1st reaction to that is, "So you are confirming what he is saying then attempting to explain why his point is true."

    Your agenda in your post is even more obvious than the person's you are criticizing. You can't, on one hand say "everyone's entitled to their opinion", and then in the other, try to pass of that subjective statement as factually incorrect, which is what this post does from top to bottom.



    Way to miss the whole point of my post.  My post was in response to the specific question in your post ...

    "What in DMKano's post is inaccurate?" 

    ... and my answer to your question is that the inaccuracy lies in the fact that all of those points where inaccurately placed under specific titles titled ...

    "Areas BDO Doesn't Do So Well"

    And

    "Areas Where BDO Falls Short in A Big Way"

    .... when all of those points were highly subjective and lacking in any kind of accuracy at all.

    In regard to the rest of your post ...

    "Best there is" may be neither obvious nor fact, but its a lot closer to "Obvious Fact" in the context in which it is written than the insignificant point that you are trying to make with your silly word play.  The point being made is that he posted the point as a positive because it is something that most will agree with thereby giving the impression of fairness and balance in his critique, which was the entire point of my post.

    Regarding ...

    What are you saying here? 6.5 is his opinion but he's incorrect? Why? Should it be higher? And that's why it's inaccurate?

    I am neither saying it is incorrect or that it should be higher or lower.  I am simply saying that his opinion is subjective and therefor inaccurate.  To assume that his 6.5 rating is accurate, would be to assert that Holden's 9/10 is inaccurate.  Opinions are just that opinions.  They are neither accurate nor inaccurate.  Just an opinion.  That's just common sense.  Not very hard to comprehend.

    Regarding ...

    There are other points where it appears you couldn't actually dispute what he said, so you presented an excuse as if it was OK, but regardless, his point was still true. when I see soemthing like....
    "= Newly released in NA/EU/Balance is a painful ongoing process with every patch"
    My 1st reaction to that is, "So you are confirming what he is saying then attempting to explain why his point is true."

    There was no attempt to excuse or dispute.  The statement simply does not accurately fall under the category of "Falling Short in A Big Way." It's exaggerated negative hyperbole.  BDO is team based PvP game play revolving around node, siege, castle, and guild wars.  The classes aren't supposed to be perfectly balanced for 1v1 PvP game play. The tweaking of classes is simply an ongoing process by Daum to make the team based game play more dynamic.  The classes are still very playable and enjoyable by the vast majority of people playing the game. The only people this affects are the min/maxing 1v1 PvP-centric complainers.  Its not nearly the crisis, or concern, to the vast majority of PvE and PvX-centric players as he makes it out to be.  Most players do not even notice the difference.

    Regarding ...

    Your agenda in your post is even more obvious than the person's you are criticizing. You can't, on one hand say "everyone's entitled to their opinion", and then in the other, try to pass of that subjective statement as factually incorrect, which is what this post does from top to bottom.

    I had no agenda.  I merely made a point.  And that was that he manipulates his post to give a false impression of impartiality and credibility by mentioning a few positives points before bringing down the hammer with a slew of negatives that are wholly subjective and opinionated, with the intent to slam the game, which is something Kano has been doing since Daum changed the game from his preferred PvP-centric ganking style of game play to the more PvE-centric game play of BDO today.    


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  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,790
    elocke said:
    I would love to know your gaming history, OP.  Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP.  FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former.  I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
    FFXI was my first MMO and I did love it.  Spent a good year and a half playing it.  I've played pretty much all of the major MMORPGs since then.

    My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review).  But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
    I love to hear about people loving a new game they are playing. Awesome to read positive posts about a game for a change. Cheers!
    I love this game and try to play it everyday. I am always learning something new and I guess that keeps me playing. This game has changed my outlook on how to play an mmorpg. Most games are so quest driven and they feel very repetitive, but this game has so many options it can be mind boggling at first. While playing I literally try to get lost and almost every time I find something cool to do.
    See that is what an MMORPG is supposed to do for a player. Not everyone who plays the game is going to get that feeling but the fact that you do and Holden does and many many others? Who cares about a rating, a score or if it is this game or another game. If a game ticks all of your personal taste boxes then ratings and other people's opinions be damned.

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,883
    elocke said:
    I would love to know your gaming history, OP.  Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP.  FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former.  I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
    FFXI was my first MMO and I did love it.  Spent a good year and a half playing it.  I've played pretty much all of the major MMORPGs since then.

    My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review).  But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
    I love to hear about people loving a new game they are playing. Awesome to read positive posts about a game for a change. Cheers!
    I love this game and try to play it everyday. I am always learning something new and I guess that keeps me playing. This game has changed my outlook on how to play an mmorpg. Most games are so quest driven and they feel very repetitive, but this game has so many options it can be mind boggling at first. While playing I literally try to get lost and almost every time I find something cool to do.
    See that is what an MMORPG is supposed to do for a player. Not everyone who plays the game is going to get that feeling but the fact that you do and Holden does and many many others? Who cares about a rating, a score or if it is this game or another game. If a game ticks all of your personal taste boxes then ratings and other people's opinions be damned.
    Well someone cared enough to type a gushing review looking for validation.

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  • ErevusErevus Member UncommonPosts: 94
    lol i remember making a thread abt how great was BDO when i joined right in the begining.............and then GRIND slapped me in the face, RNG kicked me in the bollocks, DESYNC worked my arse out and Uninstall saved me !!!! 
    Unbalanced classes, Eternal Grind, RNG(lol),and many many crap out of this game.
    This is not an MMO it is a cooking-horse taming-gathering-casino simulator.
    "We do not stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing"

    Benjamin Franklin
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    edited July 2016
    Nilden said:
    elocke said:
    I would love to know your gaming history, OP.  Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP.  FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former.  I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
    FFXI was my first MMO and I did love it.  Spent a good year and a half playing it.  I've played pretty much all of the major MMORPGs since then.

    My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review).  But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
    I love to hear about people loving a new game they are playing. Awesome to read positive posts about a game for a change. Cheers!
    I love this game and try to play it everyday. I am always learning something new and I guess that keeps me playing. This game has changed my outlook on how to play an mmorpg. Most games are so quest driven and they feel very repetitive, but this game has so many options it can be mind boggling at first. While playing I literally try to get lost and almost every time I find something cool to do.
    See that is what an MMORPG is supposed to do for a player. Not everyone who plays the game is going to get that feeling but the fact that you do and Holden does and many many others? Who cares about a rating, a score or if it is this game or another game. If a game ticks all of your personal taste boxes then ratings and other people's opinions be damned.
    Well someone cared enough to type a gushing review looking for validation.
    I didn't write the review for "validation".  I wrote it because there's been a lot of unfairly negative and inaccurate things about BDO on the forums for the past month and it needed counterbalanced.

    It would be a shame if someone who really would've liked BDO didn't even try it because they believed the game can only be viewed negatively.

    Oh, I also wrote it cause I like the game and wanted to write a review about it.  What was I thinking?

    I held off until now because I wasn't at endgame until now and wanted to make sure I saw most of the game before reviewing it.
    Post edited by holdenhamlet on
  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415
    That weak tiny maiden in distress corporation surely does need a white knight, yup yup shore.

    How much does it pay?
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    That weak tiny maiden in distress corporation surely does need a white knight, yup yup shore.

    How much does it pay?
    More than disgruntled forum troll with no game to play.
  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415
    Or are you silly enough to work so dilligently on their marketing gratis?
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    Not really sure how you lasted so long off my ignore list.  That's easy enough to fix.

    Anytime anyone wants to like, ya know, discuss MMORPGs, or BDO in particular, instead of constantly tossing out ad hominem attacks, I'd be totally all about that.
  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415
    edited July 2016
    You know, if you stop making the twice-a-week gushing fanboy threads... You wouldn't need an ignore list.

    Fan of the "Greatest" forum posts.

  • DeltoisDeltois Member UncommonPosts: 384
    It s a little much isn t it.
  • KoboliKoboli Member UncommonPosts: 210
    edited July 2016
    I booted it up for a few hours tonight just because. I still can't see the draw. The world is a cluttered mess, the popups are incredibly annoying, the questing dull (and, honestly, completely unnecessary - it's ridiculous you're forced to commit to any of the black spirit pre-50 arc at all), and the grind palpable.

    About the only credit I can give to the game is its slick combat, which continues to reward. But when you're fighting wave after wave of the same monster ad nauseam, what does that really matter? When I'm playing BDO, I'm constantly looking for the game to give me some kind of a little "yes, there really is more to it than this" style nudge. But it can't... because there isn't more. 
  • RhimeRhime Member UncommonPosts: 272
    Viper482 said:
    Ignore the haters. I have been playing since release and have no grown bored at all. It is not perfect, but what MMO is? There are issues that I am not happy about, but I am still logging in and playing every day despite them. Good MMO in my opinion. Yes people, go look up the word opinion.
    That pretty much sums it up for me as well.

    Agree with this sentiment. Log in and try it for yourself!
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    Koboli said:
    I booted it up for a few hours tonight just because. I still can't see the draw. The world is a cluttered mess, the popups are incredibly annoying, the questing dull (and, honestly, completely unnecessary - it's ridiculous you're forced to commit to any of the black spirit pre-50 arc at all), and the grind palpable.

    About the only credit I can give to the game is its slick combat, which continues to reward. But when you're fighting wave after wave of the same monster ad nauseam, what does that really matter? When I'm playing BDO, I'm constantly looking for the game to give me some kind of a little "yes, there really is more to it than this" style nudge. But it can't... because there isn't more. 
    The major appeal of the game is it's a virtual world you can live in and choose what you want to do.  If you find the world to be a cluttered mess and can't stand the pop-in, it's probably just not for you, because you're not going to enjoy living in that world.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,403
    Koboli said:
    I booted it up for a few hours tonight just because. I still can't see the draw. The world is a cluttered mess, the popups are incredibly annoying, the questing dull (and, honestly, completely unnecessary - it's ridiculous you're forced to commit to any of the black spirit pre-50 arc at all), and the grind palpable.

    What do you mean by the "world is a cluttered mess"? It seemed to me to be the most beautiful and well crafted mmo world I have ever played, possibly even better than any single player game world.
    ....
  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,036
    edited July 2016
    Or are you silly enough to work so dilligently on their marketing gratis?
    You are usually funny, but here you aren't. Unlike your usual ironic but neutral posts, this is just personal attacks.
     Just a friendly nod from someone who often throws a "lol" on your posts because they really made me smile.
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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 8,907
    The salt in this thread just because one poster said the game is one of the best they have played.

    :p
  • DeltoisDeltois Member UncommonPosts: 384
    No, he/she is trying to tell people it s the best game, arguing anything negative said.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,516
    erevus said:
    lol i remember making a thread abt how great was BDO when i joined right in the begining.............and then GRIND slapped me in the face, RNG kicked me in the bollocks, DESYNC worked my arse out and Uninstall saved me !!!! 
    Unbalanced classes, Eternal Grind, RNG(lol),and many many crap out of this game.
    This is not an MMO it is a cooking-horse taming-gathering-casino simulator.
    You forgot enslavement aspect. Cooking-taming-gathering-slaving-casino sim.

    Frankly with all the racial controversy as of late here in the US, I'm surprised this game is even legal.


  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 2,883
    Nilden said:
    elocke said:
    I would love to know your gaming history, OP.  Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP.  FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former.  I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
    FFXI was my first MMO and I did love it.  Spent a good year and a half playing it.  I've played pretty much all of the major MMORPGs since then.

    My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review).  But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
    I love to hear about people loving a new game they are playing. Awesome to read positive posts about a game for a change. Cheers!
    I love this game and try to play it everyday. I am always learning something new and I guess that keeps me playing. This game has changed my outlook on how to play an mmorpg. Most games are so quest driven and they feel very repetitive, but this game has so many options it can be mind boggling at first. While playing I literally try to get lost and almost every time I find something cool to do.
    See that is what an MMORPG is supposed to do for a player. Not everyone who plays the game is going to get that feeling but the fact that you do and Holden does and many many others? Who cares about a rating, a score or if it is this game or another game. If a game ticks all of your personal taste boxes then ratings and other people's opinions be damned.
    Well someone cared enough to type a gushing review looking for validation.
    I didn't write the review for "validation".  I wrote it because there's been a lot of unfairly negative and inaccurate things about BDO on the forums for the past month and it needed counterbalanced.

    It would be a shame if someone who really would've liked BDO didn't even try it because they believed the game can only be viewed negatively.

    Oh, I also wrote it cause I like the game and wanted to write a review about it.  What was I thinking?

    I held off until now because I wasn't at endgame until now and wanted to make sure I saw most of the game before reviewing it.
    You seam really sensitive about this for someone not looking for validation.

    Are you sure you don't just want people to pander to your confirmation bias?

    Oh BDO is the best game ever, it's so good and this review is the best review ever.

    HOW DARE ANYONE THINK NEGATIVE THOUGHTS!

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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    edited July 2016
    Nilden said:
    Nilden said:
    elocke said:
    I would love to know your gaming history, OP.  Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP.  FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former.  I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
    FFXI was my first MMO and I did love it.  Spent a good year and a half playing it.  I've played pretty much all of the major MMORPGs since then.

    My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review).  But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
    I love to hear about people loving a new game they are playing. Awesome to read positive posts about a game for a change. Cheers!
    I love this game and try to play it everyday. I am always learning something new and I guess that keeps me playing. This game has changed my outlook on how to play an mmorpg. Most games are so quest driven and they feel very repetitive, but this game has so many options it can be mind boggling at first. While playing I literally try to get lost and almost every time I find something cool to do.
    See that is what an MMORPG is supposed to do for a player. Not everyone who plays the game is going to get that feeling but the fact that you do and Holden does and many many others? Who cares about a rating, a score or if it is this game or another game. If a game ticks all of your personal taste boxes then ratings and other people's opinions be damned.
    Well someone cared enough to type a gushing review looking for validation.
    I didn't write the review for "validation".  I wrote it because there's been a lot of unfairly negative and inaccurate things about BDO on the forums for the past month and it needed counterbalanced.

    It would be a shame if someone who really would've liked BDO didn't even try it because they believed the game can only be viewed negatively.

    Oh, I also wrote it cause I like the game and wanted to write a review about it.  What was I thinking?

    I held off until now because I wasn't at endgame until now and wanted to make sure I saw most of the game before reviewing it.
    You seam really sensitive about this for someone not looking for validation.

    Are you sure you don't just want people to pander to your confirmation bias?

    Oh BDO is the best game ever, it's so good and this review is the best review ever.

    HOW DARE ANYONE THINK NEGATIVE THOUGHTS!
    OK bro, you can get ignored too for your trolling.  Accuse me of shit, I explain it, you then accuse me of "being sensitive" because I'm responding to you accusing me of shit.  Classic/boring troll behavior.

    Have fun with Minecraft.

    Once again, anyone wants to discuss the game- feel free.  If you want to discuss me, you can do that in PMs if you really feel like you must.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,756
    Dullahan said:
    erevus said:
    lol i remember making a thread abt how great was BDO when i joined right in the begining.............and then GRIND slapped me in the face, RNG kicked me in the bollocks, DESYNC worked my arse out and Uninstall saved me !!!! 
    Unbalanced classes, Eternal Grind, RNG(lol),and many many crap out of this game.
    This is not an MMO it is a cooking-horse taming-gathering-casino simulator.
    You forgot enslavement aspect. Cooking-taming-gathering-slaving-casino sim.

    Frankly with all the racial controversy as of late here in the US, I'm surprised this game is even legal.
    The game explains that the workers are paid by the city's taxes, so they are not unpaid slaves.  Just civil servants.
  • XxPriestxXXxPriestxX Member UncommonPosts: 133
    Nilden said:
    Nilden said:
    elocke said:
    I would love to know your gaming history, OP.  Because when you say greatest MMO experience ever, I immediately think of a few older games that have yet to be matched to this day and have all and more than you stated in your OP.  FFXI and WoW mainly come to mind, especially the former.  I'm glad you like the game, but I didn't last 2 days, it bored me to tears and it felt like I was playing another Archeage but with a different skin.
    FFXI was my first MMO and I did love it.  Spent a good year and a half playing it.  I've played pretty much all of the major MMORPGs since then.

    My review is subject to change of course (it's clearly labeled as a 1 month review).  But BDO is shaping up to be really something special.
    I love to hear about people loving a new game they are playing. Awesome to read positive posts about a game for a change. Cheers!
    I love this game and try to play it everyday. I am always learning something new and I guess that keeps me playing. This game has changed my outlook on how to play an mmorpg. Most games are so quest driven and they feel very repetitive, but this game has so many options it can be mind boggling at first. While playing I literally try to get lost and almost every time I find something cool to do.
    See that is what an MMORPG is supposed to do for a player. Not everyone who plays the game is going to get that feeling but the fact that you do and Holden does and many many others? Who cares about a rating, a score or if it is this game or another game. If a game ticks all of your personal taste boxes then ratings and other people's opinions be damned.
    Well someone cared enough to type a gushing review looking for validation.
    I didn't write the review for "validation".  I wrote it because there's been a lot of unfairly negative and inaccurate things about BDO on the forums for the past month and it needed counterbalanced.

    It would be a shame if someone who really would've liked BDO didn't even try it because they believed the game can only be viewed negatively.

    Oh, I also wrote it cause I like the game and wanted to write a review about it.  What was I thinking?

    I held off until now because I wasn't at endgame until now and wanted to make sure I saw most of the game before reviewing it.
    You seam really sensitive about this for someone not looking for validation.

    Are you sure you don't just want people to pander to your confirmation bias?

    Oh BDO is the best game ever, it's so good and this review is the best review ever.

    HOW DARE ANYONE THINK NEGATIVE THOUGHTS!
    OK bro, you can get ignored too for your trolling.  Accuse me of shit, I explain it, you then accuse me of "being sensitive" because I'm responding to you accusing me of shit.  Classic/boring troll behavior.

    Have fun with Minecraft.
    "I didn't write the review for "validation".  I wrote it because there's been a lot of unfairly negative and inaccurate things about BDO on the forums for the past month and it needed counterbalanced."

    Nothing unfair or inaccurate has been posted. All concerns can be seen on youtube and in BDO's own forum quite readily. You weren't trolled, you're just getting worn down from those of us that won't blindly subscribe to your views, and instead have opinions and justifications of our own for why this game sucks.
    Trolling, being trolled, getting banned, yelling at mods, getting perma banned, making new accounts, and still trolling this site since 2004 =D
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    I won't hate like others do.  Good review.  It puts things in perspective from someone who hasn't tried it yet.  Even so, it already confirms what i've known about the game just from watching videos on youtube, and i'll already know what to expect when i do try it out in the future.
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