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Shake up at Anet.. RIP WvW

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    To sumarize what anet is doing.  
    1.  They hired experienced wvw players to help fix everything.
    2.  They finally decided to do something about population imbalances which have been a problem since the game launched.

    Looks like they are finally on the right track considering their last WVW person was only rank 12.

    The two things I had a problem with in WVW was the blob aoe spam and the population imbalances.  And yes the new borderlands were just very bad idea and should just be turned over to pve crowd.  OP is wrong about why the populations are imbalanced.  They are imbalanced because it costs 20$ to switch servers and all the wvw is based on server size and not like ESO.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,852
    RVR is good only in the context of the "good ol' days". It's all nostalgia and it didn't work long term. Even a new game with it, you may as well put a expiration date like you would yogurt. Only a matter of time before it goes bad.

    I have fallen victim to this myself. I'd reflect fondly on an old movie I loved as a kid. Decide to watch it again and it doesn't hold up well. It comes off as dated, and my adult self really doesn't like it. I was so convinced I would love it just as much too. Not always.

    RVR was great back then because there was nothing like it. It was fresh, new and blew people away. Now the players know the formula and that increases the expiration date even faster. I also believe RvR is generally a waste of time because of MOBAs.

    The pvp minded younger gamers head in the MOBA direction. So the system doesn't get enough fresh blood to work.
    Labyrinth was just such a movie.
    Watched it many times as a kid. When it came out of Netfix I was like WTF is this?
  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 2,044
    Every single thread that has anything to do with PVP is met by a group of emotional, melodramatic, highly ignorant carebears who will try to correlate random things to say how terrible PVP is. The statements are typically ridiculous and have no logic or common sense attached.

    Why does it keep happening? Why do these types of people campaign so hard? Is it emotional/mental baggage?
    Because when crybaby PvP'rs scream BALANCE it has a tendency to screw with PvE players.

    If a game can separate PvP characters and their abilities/stats from PvE characters then all is good. It's when the minority PvP'rs cause negative issues for the majority PvE players that is when we get salty.

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    RVR is good only in the context of the "good ol' days". It's all nostalgia and it didn't work long term. Even a new game with it, you may as well put a expiration date like you would yogurt. Only a matter of time before it goes bad.

    I have fallen victim to this myself. I'd reflect fondly on an old movie I loved as a kid. Decide to watch it again and it doesn't hold up well. It comes off as dated, and my adult self really doesn't like it. I was so convinced I would love it just as much too. Not always.

    RVR was great back then because there was nothing like it. It was fresh, new and blew people away. Now the players know the formula and that increases the expiration date even faster. I also believe RvR is generally a waste of time because of MOBAs.

    The pvp minded younger gamers head in the MOBA direction. So the system doesn't get enough fresh blood to work.
    Labyrinth was just such a movie.
    Watched it many times as a kid. When it came out of Netfix I was like WTF is this?
    Heh try watching the original Total Recall or Tron.   Dare I say Flash Gordon....   Man those movies so horrible and the worse acting ever.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • fatearsfatears Member UncommonPosts: 86
    filmoret said:
    RVR is good only in the context of the "good ol' days". It's all nostalgia and it didn't work long term. Even a new game with it, you may as well put a expiration date like you would yogurt. Only a matter of time before it goes bad.

    I have fallen victim to this myself. I'd reflect fondly on an old movie I loved as a kid. Decide to watch it again and it doesn't hold up well. It comes off as dated, and my adult self really doesn't like it. I was so convinced I would love it just as much too. Not always.

    RVR was great back then because there was nothing like it. It was fresh, new and blew people away. Now the players know the formula and that increases the expiration date even faster. I also believe RvR is generally a waste of time because of MOBAs.

    The pvp minded younger gamers head in the MOBA direction. So the system doesn't get enough fresh blood to work.
    Labyrinth was just such a movie.
    Watched it many times as a kid. When it came out of Netfix I was like WTF is this?
    Heh try watching the original Total Recall or Tron.   Dare I say Flash Gordon....   Man those movies so horrible and the worse acting ever.
    Hey filmoret! Screw You! Total Recall is a classic. 
    You received 25 LOLs. 
    You are posting some laughably bad content, please desist. 
  • bartoni33bartoni33 Member RarePosts: 2,044
    filmoret said:
    RVR is good only in the context of the "good ol' days". It's all nostalgia and it didn't work long term. Even a new game with it, you may as well put a expiration date like you would yogurt. Only a matter of time before it goes bad.

    I have fallen victim to this myself. I'd reflect fondly on an old movie I loved as a kid. Decide to watch it again and it doesn't hold up well. It comes off as dated, and my adult self really doesn't like it. I was so convinced I would love it just as much too. Not always.

    RVR was great back then because there was nothing like it. It was fresh, new and blew people away. Now the players know the formula and that increases the expiration date even faster. I also believe RvR is generally a waste of time because of MOBAs.

    The pvp minded younger gamers head in the MOBA direction. So the system doesn't get enough fresh blood to work.
    Labyrinth was just such a movie.
    Watched it many times as a kid. When it came out of Netfix I was like WTF is this?
    Heh try watching the original Total Recall or Tron.   Dare I say Flash Gordon....   Man those movies so horrible and the worse acting ever.
    Oh man Flash Gordon! I had one of my first crushes on the woman in that movie. <3 I haven't seen it in years.

    Total Recall is still pretty good IMO. Tron is very outdated but not bad.

    Yesterday I got to watch a few episodes of Mork&Mindy for the first time in prolly 20 years. Talk about bad acting!

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  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 3,821
    WvW was dead on arrival. It was poorly done with this esports league crap week long war with points. Daoc and Warhammer are the only two games to do RvR right, the former being the example of how it should be done. WvW suck is why I quit playing GW2.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 3,821
    bcbully said:
    cronius77 said:
    there isnt going to be a good realm vs realm game out there until camelot unchained releases from the one who pretty much created RvR mark jacobs. ESO is in the same exact boat they over promised some DAOC successor and delivered a gear based champion point vet rank based realm vs realm that is terrible and they barely support anymore also. None of these games ever capture true realm vs realm because of this garbage mega server tech and switching around realms, guesting, friends list server/side swapping. The only way any game will be good is if its totally designed from the ground up with realm vs realm in mind and not a pve first game with extra pvp in it added on.
    No, in a lot of ways ESO nailed it. As a member of Daggerfall I hated the EP and AD. We all did. It is and has been superior to anyting on the market including GW2 for quite some time now.
    And they failed it by making it a sport tournament instead of a persistent war. 
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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Viper482 said:
    bcbully said:
    cronius77 said:
    there isnt going to be a good realm vs realm game out there until camelot unchained releases from the one who pretty much created RvR mark jacobs. ESO is in the same exact boat they over promised some DAOC successor and delivered a gear based champion point vet rank based realm vs realm that is terrible and they barely support anymore also. None of these games ever capture true realm vs realm because of this garbage mega server tech and switching around realms, guesting, friends list server/side swapping. The only way any game will be good is if its totally designed from the ground up with realm vs realm in mind and not a pve first game with extra pvp in it added on.
    No, in a lot of ways ESO nailed it. As a member of Daggerfall I hated the EP and AD. We all did. It is and has been superior to anyting on the market including GW2 for quite some time now.
    And they failed it by making it a sport tournament instead of a persistent war. 
    It is a persistant war.  Where you been?
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • SinsaiSinsai Member UncommonPosts: 405
    cronius77 said:
    Soki123 said:
    It is time to stop making RvRvR in mmos. That doesn't work well. Whatever you do, causes a problem somewhere else. Not a single RvRvR mmo has worked well. People are just nostalgic about DAoC and WAR. If all these RvRvR mmos didnt have to put so much resources and time on that stuff, they could relocate all that energy to improving the core game.

    Did you play DAOC? If you did you were blindfolded while playing.
    Im not so blindfolded considering the game, although still running, is empty. If the RvR was so good it would be still full of subscribers making that RvR system still relevant among the competition. It was probably great when there was no other RvR out there. But today? nostalgia more than anything.
    you are really jaded to say the least. DAOC is not nostalgia realm vs realm was destroyed with a expansion later on that gave huge power gaps with artifacts and master levels.  At its time it was doing almost as well as EQ and was out what fours years before wow even released it did well for many years to come until wow hit its prime time and people were just burned out from a old out-dated game just like wow is going that way now. People move on because they get tired of doing the same thing over and over. I will agree warhammer sucked though only because they didnt do tri-realm vs realm and the power gaps between class balance sucked on release driving people away, you can blame that on that moron at trion that worked on rift after he got laid off from mythic but by then the damage was done. EQ was pve at the time and DAOC was pvp, those two were the behemoths of the early days.
    This^

    Anyone who knows anything about DAoC knows ToA destroyed it.

    Turning an PvP focused endgame ,with the best gear coming from crafters, into a Raid or Die PvE game for the best gear killed it for the RvR crowd.

    Blindfolded as @Soki123 mentioned
  • ImpmonImpmon Member UncommonPosts: 81
    WVW hasn't changed much because all people do is karma train and never actually fight.  99% of the time its people following commanders pvdooring keeps and running around an empty map avoiding the other blobs.  Most realms are unevenly matched so that one side dominates & most people just pay to join the winning side.  Thats how it was originally when everyone rushed to join Henge of Denravi who dominated WVW when the game started.  Back then you could transfer for free every 24 hours.
  • d_20d_20 Member RarePosts: 1,878
    filmoret said:
    ...the wvw is based on server size and not like ESO.
    Trueflame on ESO does have a severe population imbalance. EP on the NA server is huge compared to the other two factions. Last campaign was very tight the whole way through. This campaign is just lopsided most of the time with EP often locked while the other factions have 3 bars or even only 2.

    Sometimes they are all locked, it is true, but EP is definitely way more populated this campaign. I'm not sure why. I think it's a problem and the population caps should be adjusted or lower pop factions should get some sort of buff. Not sure what would work best. But ESO can be very zergy just like WvW in GW2.



  • MikePaladinMikePaladin Member UncommonPosts: 592
    edited July 2016

    Seafarer's Rest to the death .....literally

    I had lot's of fun in WvW long time ago Zerv vs Zerg  or ZERG vs ZERG vs ZERG during the leagues or when 2 servers where teaming up against us and we still where wining if face to face battle .....WE had amazing WvW Commanders but they left ;/ and arena completely fucked up WwW.

    It was lot's of fun while lasted but today gw2 is dead at least to me .
    Glad I managed to sell my account for a good price at least something returned back ..
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