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Have you ever played an mmo that - over time - got better?
Amathe
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The mmorpgs I played have usually tended to get worse.
EQ2 got a bit better. Vanguard improved, but I have that 1/2 second hand because I only beta tested it. City of Villains was a nice addition to CoH.
Other than that, I am hard pressed to think of any examples (from my own experience) of improvement over time.
EQ got worse.
WoW got much worse.
SWG got unspeakably worse.
Have other people's experiences been different?
EQ2 got a bit better. Vanguard improved, but I have that 1/2 second hand because I only beta tested it. City of Villains was a nice addition to CoH.
Other than that, I am hard pressed to think of any examples (from my own experience) of improvement over time.
EQ got worse.
WoW got much worse.
SWG got unspeakably worse.
Have other people's experiences been different?
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
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"Better" in that issues were fixed over time.
All I got.
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ESO has gotten better ....
Modern .. FF14 ... hated this game at first .. keft went back 10 months later as the positive feedback from the community kept flowing in ... returned played to endgame and imo one of the best MMORPG on the market right now
ESO has improved considerably, and seems set to continue doing so.
I think Age of Conan has also improved since launch.
Final Fantasy didn't improve, it was scrapped and re-made, lol
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
They seem to have finally grasped professional level software development discipline. Regressions still happen but those are infrequent and usually dealt with quickly.
They've retooled to a more sane release cadence. The ridiculous attunement process has been all but trivialized. 40-man raids are a thing of the past. There's now some bona fide casual content at end-game that isn't moar dailies.
That's not to say that everything is all roses and unicorns. The F2P+cash shop transition has introduced some new pain points. Most of the best cash shop items are hidden in gamble boxes. End-game gear management all but requires the purchase of Service Tokens.
The Service Token gripe is somewhat mitigated by their store credit grant (Omnibits) which is an earned currency. You have to play to get it. Subs get 3x as much as non-subs.
For me the positives outweigh the negatives. These guys actually do listen. Sometimes they go quiet but they usually will respond with a proposed adjustment or a reasoning behind the point of discussion.
WOW improved in some areas for BC and got worse in others. Leveling and world design got better for WOTLK for sure.
But i agree, it's a rare thing, especially today.
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A few MMO's that added mentoring to help new players. Boosts so you don't have to do the same lower levels for the tenth time. A lot of MMO's have added small improvements over time.
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The mistake was made and seems to be a common mistake among all developers and that is they get lazy and cheap making content so try and make every addition more of a grind than the last one.
That is a piss poor way to treat your customers,keep it FUN,who gives a crap if content is a tad too easy.just don't go making content easier just to speed up sales of NEXT said expansion.FFXIV was improved but imo,not in the right places and sure it had to improve since the start was a very rushed product.
Wow was rushed,EQ2 was rushed VG was rushed and never finished,every single game shows signs of incomplete development right up to the point now devs are trying to pull some wool over our eyes with so called EARLY development stage.Yeah ok early development,WHY are we paying money for total unfinished crap?
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WOW got better for a few expanisions, probably tailing off around Cata.
EVE of course for many years, but Monacle gate and poor investments (DUST 514, WOD) took the wind out of CCPs and EVE's sails.
I doubt any game has gotten continually better more than 5 years or so, maybe EVE for the first 8 or 9 years.
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The real question is which of them got better before you fell out of love with it, blamed it for everything and started publicly trashing them in forums out of sheer boredom.
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SWTOR improved in a lot of ways too, but also lost more than a few things along the way. Every last bit of challenge was stripped from the game with 4.0 and forward. Outside of multiplayer content like flashpoints and ops that is of course. Ironically, flashpoints became more challenging in some ways. But not good ones. When you wind up with 4 DPS, with some of them low level and completely clueless about the game, some of those runs have become pure torture. My main reason for playing so many healers the last few times I've done group content.
In general Iselin is right though. The vast majority of MMOs become better over time. Less buggy as well. It's why you're generally better off playing an MMO after it's been out for a year or so, rather than jumping in on the early access train... but lets face it... that's never going to happen. xD
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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