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So, need a PC for my mother...

HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415

Essentially she needs something that she can use to VPN and work from home, it will need to support dual monitors.

It will only be used for work, so no gaming, no video, imaging, etc.  Just web based apps, etc.

That being said, I'm used to building my pc's and I know in the past when I've pieced together a low end PC, it was generally cheaper to just buy a premade like a dell, etc.

Price range is flexible, but I'm guessing something in the 300-400 range (sans the monitors) should do the trick?

Was curious if anyone had any experience in this area and what recommendations they might make.

She would like to have a laptop if possible, however, I was cautioning her on that since the keyboards can get tiresome to type on after 8 hours, etc.

Either way, taking all opinions.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

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  • animecrazedanimecrazed Member UncommonPosts: 1
    edited June 2016
    meh if its just for work anything will do

    edit - if she wants it to be mobile and bring it everywhere laptop not too bad of an option either
  • ZebbakeiZebbakei Member UncommonPosts: 38
    If you don't mind refurb, try a dell precision m4600 or an hp elitebook. Both are professional grade, sturdy, reliable and fairly easy to work on should something go bad. You can find both with 2c/4t i5 and i7, or 4c/8t i7. I had a dell precision m4600 and was very pleased with it. You can buy a docking station to hook up all your peripherals, very handy.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,000
    If she goes with a laptop it's easier to use a usb keyboard.

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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    AMD 4 core APU and shes set :)
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  • ZebbakeiZebbakei Member UncommonPosts: 38
    Malabooga said:
    AMD 4 core APU and shes set :)
    The APU would only work for one display tho correct?
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,355
    You know what's worse than playing games on a laptop?  Trying to work on one for eight hours per day.  Asking someone to do real work on a laptop all day every day should be reserved for people you hate.  Let's assume that you love your mom and move on.

    For work, you need reliability.  If a gaming rig breaks and you can't play games for a few days, oh well.  If you can't work for a few days, big problem.  Laptops are not reliable, but quality desktop hardware with a good power supply fed by a good UPS is, at least as hardware goes.  I have no clue whether your mom would be the sort to get malware.

    Some years ago, I helped my dad build a couple of cheap desktops for his business.  Four years later, he decided to replace them with some cheap Dell desktops.  I'm not sure how Dell managed to do this, but the four years newer desktops somehow managed to be noticeably slower than the old ones that had been cheap (maybe $400 or $500 or so) when new.

    That said, the advantage of Dell or HP is that if something breaks, you can get tech support or a replacement quickly.  That matters in a work environment much more so than a gaming rig.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,355
    Zebbakei said:
    Malabooga said:
    AMD 4 core APU and shes set :)
    The APU would only work for one display tho correct?
    AMD APUs have all supported at least two monitors, and sometimes as many as four.  That is reliant on having the proper monitor ports on the motherboard, though.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,355
    Such a low budget on a computer...  but here's one with Amazon and NCIX links for each of the parts:

    AMD Athlon X4 860K

    Amazon: http://geni.us/3kfG

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1Rs4dbZ

     

    MSI A68HM-E33 V2

    Amazon: http://geni.us/1QAj

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1QzHzNp

     

    Kingston 8GB DDR3

    Amazon: http://geni.us/1OLh

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1O6zUDL

     

    Cooler Master Elite 350

    Amazon: http://geni.us/2mX6

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1RT1wgA

     

    EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SSC 2GB

    Amazon: http://geni.us/2OCN

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1SN2ID3

     

    Seagate ST1000DX001 1TB

    Amazon: http://geni.us/1g3M

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1MN7efM


    It's a build I recommended to my friend who was looking for an extreme budget computer. You can definitely shave off extra money by getting a lower endget GPU.


    However, this build does not contain a Windows OS. If you have one available that'd definitely be beneficial as the parts I've listed above with Windows would be around $540.00 USD.

    No, no, no.  You so don't need a GTX 960.  Getting a cheaper discrete video card isn't what you want, either.  For a work computer not doing anything graphically intensive, you want integrated graphics.  Period.

    Do get an SSD, though.  That will make it fast.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,355
    Quizzical said:
    Such a low budget on a computer...  but here's one with Amazon and NCIX links for each of the parts:

    AMD Athlon X4 860K

    Amazon: http://geni.us/3kfG

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1Rs4dbZ

     

    MSI A68HM-E33 V2

    Amazon: http://geni.us/1QAj

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1QzHzNp

     

    Kingston 8GB DDR3

    Amazon: http://geni.us/1OLh

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1O6zUDL

     

    Cooler Master Elite 350

    Amazon: http://geni.us/2mX6

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1RT1wgA

     

    EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SSC 2GB

    Amazon: http://geni.us/2OCN

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1SN2ID3

     

    Seagate ST1000DX001 1TB

    Amazon: http://geni.us/1g3M

    NCIX: http://bit.ly/1MN7efM


    It's a build I recommended to my friend who was looking for an extreme budget computer. You can definitely shave off extra money by getting a lower endget GPU.


    However, this build does not contain a Windows OS. If you have one available that'd definitely be beneficial as the parts I've listed above with Windows would be around $540.00 USD.

    No, no, no.  You so don't need a GTX 960.  Getting a cheaper discrete video card isn't what you want, either.  For a work computer not doing anything graphically intensive, you want integrated graphics.  Period.

    Do get an SSD, though.  That will make it fast.
    Yeah, I didn't do any research beyond posting an old build of mine that I gave to a friend as I said you could easily change out the part since all they'd need is an FM2+ APU.
    Ah, if you combine your first two posts in this thread, it makes more sense.  I didn't catch that those were both the same person.
  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415

    Yeah i'm thinking I may just build a SFF system for her so I can control what goes in it.  Though I admit I'm kind of leaning towards that HP Pavilion someone linked with the AMD A8.

    Quiz, I agree with you on the laptop/keyboard thing.  The main reason she asked about that is *occasionally* she will get sent out of state and while she doesn't *need* to be able to access the VPN, it would be nice.

    However if I go the laptop route im guessing ill need a docking station and a full keyboard and mouse, cus like you said, I don't hate my mother.

    In all reality though I'm thinking a SFF tower of some sort would fit the bill nicely.


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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,355
    Does she have some other laptop she could take for those occasional trips?  If it's accessing things over a VPN, it sounds like the important data isn't stored locally.

    There's a huge difference between traveling one day per year versus fifty days per year.  "Occasionally" makes it sound like it's sure not the latter.

    Desktop advantages aren't just about the keyboard, mouse, and monitors, or even picking your own parts.  In a desktop, if something breaks, you can fix it.  In many laptops, if a memory chip goes bad, the whole machine is dead and unusable.  Laptops are more likely to have parts break, too, as you don't have the best cooling profile.  Even low power laptops sometimes manage to overheat because their cooling is really pathetic.  And few people drop desktops on the ground.
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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,412
    If you don't need any serious power, than an AM1 platform makes sense. Energy usage is minimal, its on one of AMDs smallest die sizes, and its dirt cheap. You may have difficulty finding a pre-made. Assembling it yourself will run around $300 with Windows. 
  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415
    Quizzical said:
    Does she have some other laptop she could take for those occasional trips?  If it's accessing things over a VPN, it sounds like the important data isn't stored locally.

    There's a huge difference between traveling one day per year versus fifty days per year.  "Occasionally" makes it sound like it's sure not the latter.

    Desktop advantages aren't just about the keyboard, mouse, and monitors, or even picking your own parts.  In a desktop, if something breaks, you can fix it.  In many laptops, if a memory chip goes bad, the whole machine is dead and unusable.  Laptops are more likely to have parts break, too, as you don't have the best cooling profile.  Even low power laptops sometimes manage to overheat because their cooling is really pathetic.  And few people drop desktops on the ground.


    She does not have a laptop at this time.  So, just for more informations sake, she is a claims adjuster, and occasionally has to go out of state for abritrations and what not.  These can last anywhere from 2-3 days to a week or so, and happens maybe 2-4 times a year.

    50 days is unlikely, but 10-15 is more likely.  Which is why I said occasionally.

    I'm doing research right now on a mini ITX, I think its worth it for me to just build it myself as like you said, if something breaks I can fix it.  Secondarily, no bloatware, etc.  Unfortunately for me, I'm the tech support, so I don't need tech support from the manufacturer.

    My main annoyance with that is having to pay $100 or so for the OS.  Part of the advantage of buying a prebuilt from say Dell or HP is that they get bulk discounts on OS copies and as a result you can usually get a similar level of hardware for 10-20% less than you can build it yourself.

    However, like you said I want it to have an SSD as I want it to be as responsive as possible for her.

    "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    Don't use Seagate hard-drives they fail fast had two fail after 24 hours (Back-Up only.) which were recalled and they refused to refund because it went past the date without my knowledge...

    Stick with Western Digital.
  • AcorniaAcornia Member UncommonPosts: 275
    Just a thought about taking it with her when she goes out of state.  You might look for a desktop computer case with a handle on top so she could carry it, or a smaller atx type case and a surport stand with good roller wheels built in and straping the case to the stand plus adding a handle to the top using the straps to hole it in place.  Then she could us it like a rolling suitcase.  Since you seem to want to go with a desktop type of set up.


  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,412
    edited June 2016
    You can't look at someone else's newegg shopping cart. Need to link them 1 by 1.

    Here is an example of an AM1 build:
    Athlon 5350 $42.99
    ASRock AM1H-ITX $48.99
    Crucial BX200 480GB $118.28
    Crucial Ballistix Tactical Low-Profile 2x4GB $42.99
    MiniBox M350 case $39.99
    GELID Solutions AM1 Slim-silent cooler $25.00
    Superb Choice 65w AC Adapter $8.99 / MasterWatt 65 Universal AC Adapter $34.50
    2.4G 2dbi Wifi IPEX to SMA adapter $2.67
    Windows 10 Home Full Retail $129.99
    Total: $459.89 / $485.40 Depending on AC Adapter

    Obviously a lot can be saved from this build, this just fits a neat form factor. Replacing the mobo and case will net $100 savings(No need for special heatsink, full retail windows, or wifi, plus cost savings of case and mobo possiblity). Changing the SSD to an HDD would be an $80 savings. Combo deals could probably save an addition $40-$60.
    The big issue would be that 1 of the 2 monitors will need to be run on analog.
  • syntax42syntax42 Member UncommonPosts: 1,378
    Renoaku said:
    Don't use Seagate hard-drives they fail fast had two fail after 24 hours (Back-Up only.) which were recalled and they refused to refund because it went past the date without my knowledge...

    Stick with Western Digital.
    You got unlucky.  All electronics have a chance of early failure.  You may have stumbled upon drives from a bad batch, or they were handled poorly by you or during shipping.  Basing your prejudices on a small sample size that amounts to "bad luck" is short-sighted.  Basing your prejudices against a brand based on how they handled customer service is justified.

    After replacing thousands of drives in data centers, I can assure you there is no best brand of mechanical drive.  All have their bad lots and bad models every once in a while.  All have early failures happen.  
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,412
    Only exception is the Hitachi Deathstar.
  • HeretiqueHeretique Member RarePosts: 1,535
    syntax42 said:
    Renoaku said:
    Don't use Seagate hard-drives they fail fast had two fail after 24 hours (Back-Up only.) which were recalled and they refused to refund because it went past the date without my knowledge...

    Stick with Western Digital.
    You got unlucky.  All electronics have a chance of early failure.  You may have stumbled upon drives from a bad batch, or they were handled poorly by you or during shipping.  Basing your prejudices on a small sample size that amounts to "bad luck" is short-sighted.  Basing your prejudices against a brand based on how they handled customer service is justified.

    After replacing thousands of drives in data centers, I can assure you there is no best brand of mechanical drive.  All have their bad lots and bad models every once in a while.  All have early failures happen.  
    QFT

    Nothing worse than driving 50+ miles to swap a failed drive in a server for a company then realizing both new drives you're carrying (straight from the manufacturer) are bad as well.

    These things happen.
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