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Tutorial: How you make Promo Artwork for Spaceship

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,483
    Shodanas said:
    Shodanas said:
    dsmart said:
    Shodanas said:

    Also, still waiting for the image creator to come forth and accuse CIG for stealing his work. I mean, he could make some nice quick buck from this, no ?

    That's not going to happen, the liability of proving financial gain from a single image that is not used as part of a major marketing campaign is too high. They've probably received a Cease and Desist, hence the removal of the images.
    Yes, since it has been reported to the owners, they probably did issue a C&D since it was used without permission. Some people don't realize just how serious stuff like this is, and that you can't just pay after the fact and the problem goes away.

    And once again - just like the taggate fiasco - some were quick to blame Goons for doctoring images.

    They refuse to accept the sordid fact that they're fighting a losing battle. outwitted, outgunned, and definitely outsmarted 24-7

    This is why we fight. 
    I can't figure out if you're on serious note or just joking.

    You must thing that people have the attention span and memory capacity of an amoeba.

    What's the status on that E.L.E you so vigorously foretold ? Date shifted again, for the 10tht time huh ? Keep your lawyers on high alert though.

    Now go put some work on that thing resembling a game and come back after you've found some shards of credibility.
    "Come back after you've found some shards of credibility"

    ...says the guy who refused to see that it's literally the same image (see gif), and has yet to acknowledge it.

    Is it a huge deal? Probably not (although it doesn't look good for CIG).  If anything, this discussion highlights the fact that CIG can do no wrong in some people's eyes, even if their position has been shown to be empirically false.
    Pardon me but DS absolute lack of credibility has been proven over and over again. By no other mind you than the man himself.

    Nice for you to step in his defense, though i doubt that he will appreciate your effort.
    That wasn't Phaserlight's point.  

    I think his point was more: pot, meet kettle.

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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Erillion said:
    dsmart said:
    Everyone can stop arguing now. I've put everything in one post.


    Have you also talked in that post about certain people that in 2010 used whole passages of a press release from Bioware to promote another game ?

    That game was Alganon.

    Back then it was an "innocent mistake made by a subordinate".

    Hhmm, who could  that conpany owner have been ? Name escapes me at the moment. Must have been no one worth remembering.

    Thank you!

    I recalled this incident but wasn't sure if it occurred before or after DS's takeover of Alganon so i decided not to mention it.

    They almost copy - pasted whole blocks of Bioware's press release and used it to promote their game. Of course being who he is he blamed anyone else except himself.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    Kefo said:
    filmoret said:
    OMG this is big news here.  If CIG has used this artwork without permission.  Really they can't afford to pay someone 50$ for a picture?  
    Not the first time and probably not the last. A Kickstarter campaign for a board game was found to have used multiple stolen art assets. While its for something outside the company I believe the person who did the art is an employee of CIG. 
    It's something a lot of people do all the time without even thinking about it. Do you think I have permission to use the Ultraman avatar I grabbed from the site? No.

    People torrent movies, games, programs, and photos all the time. There is almost always some justification for it. Do you think Derek Smart asked Warner Brothers for permission to use their Wile E Coyote image as his avatar? No he stole it. He pirated it. As have everyone else using protected images, without permission, in their avatars and signatures. Using a protected image in public fora on the internet falls outside of personal use. It's hypocrisy and irony wrapped up in one when an offender points the finger.

    I have several photographer acquaintances and they tell me this sort of thing happens all the time to them. They usually email the offender and ask them to pay for the photo or remove it. The more legit people do. The jerks and pirates don't.

    All that needs to happen here, if they indeed haven't paid for the art, is for them to pay for it or remove it. Then they need to have a training session, audit assets, and move forward.
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  • DeivosDeivos Member EpicPosts: 3,692
    edited June 2016
    Bascola said:
    Sorry but you don't know what fair use means....
    "Private Facebook" refers to a personal account, IE a human as opposed to a business.

    If you read my first post properly you would have noticed back there I did give a proper explanation of fair use and transformative work.

    You've also expanded the claim now to apply to more websites than originally stated. If CIG actually stuck the image onto their Facebook or home page, then there's a valid point to your claim. if it's on the woman's Facebook and Twitter however, you do not.

    Next time you respond, try reading the responses first.

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  • MisterZebubMisterZebub Member LegendaryPosts: 3,584
    I'd just like to clarify my stance that plagiarism is very serious, no matter how small.

    Plenty of indie artists are struggling, but at least they've never plagiarized anyone.

    Now, whether or not that's what's happened here, I can't say.  I don't know enough about the original photo.  I just wanted to make it clear that I feel plagiarism is a serious issue.

    All the best to CIG.
    While I concur wholeheartedly with you, considering this guy has been doing this his entire career and as far as I can tell he's never had any trouble, it seems the industry doesn't agree with us. Also I think the silliest part of this is how hard is it to take your cell phone, have a friend make a pose, then snap a photo and use that as your base to doodle over? How lazy does this guy have to be?

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,934
    dsmart said:
    Shodanas said:

    Also, still waiting for the image creator to come forth and accuse CIG for stealing his work. I mean, he could make some nice quick buck from this, no ?

    That's not going to happen, the liability of proving financial gain from a single image that is not used as part of a major marketing campaign is too high. They've probably received a Cease and Desist, hence the removal of the images.
    Yes, since it has been reported to the owners, they probably did issue a C&D since it was used without permission. Some people don't realize just how serious stuff like this is, and that you can't just pay after the fact and the problem goes away.

    And once again - just like the taggate fiasco - some were quick to blame Goons for doctoring images.

    They refuse to accept the sordid fact that they're fighting a losing battle. outwitted, outgunned, and definitely outsmarted 24-7

    This is why we fight. 
    They wouldn't issue a C&D straight out. What weird world do you live in? If they have a contract with the company and pay on a per use basis, and they hadn't already paid, the company would issue an invoice. That's how real businesses work with each other. They want money not chest-thumping internet or legal fights. They're not going to send away a customer because of a stupid picture.

    They're fighting a losing battle? What battle? A troll campaign? Did you claim, last winter, they were going to be out of business by February or March of this year at the latest? It's past the date and still going.

    I think you fight because of your personal age old vendetta and issue with Chris Roberts. From an outside perspective this has more to do with attention and ego than a just cause.

    The problem is when a bunch of haters with an agenda make big issues out of every small issue people stop caring. It's like the little developer who cried wolf too many times.

    And I think the hypocrisy of your theft of the Wile E Coyote image is hilarious in light of you pointing fingers at others.
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,000
    Torval said:
    Kefo said:
    filmoret said:
    OMG this is big news here.  If CIG has used this artwork without permission.  Really they can't afford to pay someone 50$ for a picture?  
    Not the first time and probably not the last. A Kickstarter campaign for a board game was found to have used multiple stolen art assets. While its for something outside the company I believe the person who did the art is an employee of CIG. 
    It's something a lot of people do all the time without even thinking about it. Do you think I have permission to use the Ultraman avatar I grabbed from the site? No.

    People torrent movies, games, programs, and photos all the time. There is almost always some justification for it. Do you think Derek Smart asked Warner Brothers for permission to use their Wile E Coyote image as his avatar? No he stole it. He pirated it. As have everyone else using protected images, without permission, in their avatars and signatures. Using a protected image in public fora on the internet falls outside of personal use. It's hypocrisy and irony wrapped up in one when an offender points the finger.

    I have several photographer acquaintances and they tell me this sort of thing happens all the time to them. They usually email the offender and ask them to pay for the photo or remove it. The more legit people do. The jerks and pirates don't.

    All that needs to happen here, if they indeed haven't paid for the art, is for them to pay for it or remove it. Then they need to have a training session, audit assets, and move forward.
    The difference between using artwork for an avatar and what's ostensibly happened here is that I don't think anyone expects people to pass off avatars as their own work (although this really is my face - I don't remember where I got the image of stars coming out of it, though).

    Sure, maybe this is just a stock photo on some anonymous corporation's website, and maybe this is all just another storm in a teacup.

    ...still though: how hard is it just to snap a photo of Sandi and go with that?

    ...and my main point is that it's really illuminating what lengths some people will go to to defend CIG, claiming people are trying to 'stretch the glove' when @rpcmcmurphy 's gif makes it even clearer that this was a photoshopped, uncredited asset being used for profit.

    I'd rather avoid any tu quoques, but it's just an example of how much cognitive dissonance has surrounded this project so far, thanks in no small part to its fans.  I guess I'm just opposed to seeing people get verbally beaten down for taking up criticism, regardless of whether or not it has any grounding in reality.

    Take from it what you will.

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  • spankybusspankybus Member UncommonPosts: 1,367
    Looks like they took that image off the concept sales page. I wanted to actually check the image they had on their website to see of the issue was visible on the RSi website. But it's gone now.

    For those saying this isn't watermarked. What was shown here is a watermarked image that someone did a crap job removing. I am an artist, I teach this crap at a university. I have frequently used watermarked images to create art...just not professionally. If I am using them for a job, I use the watermarked version to see if the image singable for what I need. If timid, I go buy the stock image and use the clean, legal version.

    if I remember watching an interview on ATV, this would have been the doing of the concept artist they interviewed...I think they even made a point to talk about how he likes to add people into his concept images. I can't remember his name. As much as the hate brigade want to blame this on CIG, this freelance concept artist is the blame...unless he actually told,CIG what he did and they used it anyways, which I seriously doubt.

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