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Are they ruining the lore?

filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
edited May 2016 in World of Warcraft
Warcraft;  Orcs vs Humans.  That is where it started.  Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing.  Since the launch of WOW and the players themselves not wanting to be evil Orcs they have changed the lore so it is no longer Orcs vs Humans but Orcs and Humans vs something else.  Do you think they caved to the players instead of keeping the lore?
Are you onto something or just on something?

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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    It's definitely a different direction, but I don't think it's a 'ruination'.  A war can't last forever, and there are plenty of better reasons for them to make a truce than to keep fighting.

    When your world is being invaded by demon armies and all sorts of other things, how wise would it be to keep fighting each other rather than team up for survival?

    I think it would have gotten old pretty fast if they didn't bring in outside forces; if it were just Orcs and Humans forever.
  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    It's a side story right?

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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,190
    to be fair did that not start with WC3 and not WoW (maybe even some of WC2). So i guess my answer is: I prefer the nobel savage motif of the orc over the traditional brute with a club. Same with the humans, they are as bad if not worse than the orcs in Warcraft lore. 

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 36,358
    The Federation and Klingons eventually made peace, same thing here. (in fact some suspicious parallels in the story lines)

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  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,505
    filmoret said:
    Warcraft;  Orcs vs Humans.  That is where it started.  Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing.  Since the launch of WOW and the players themselves not wanting to be evil Orcs they have changed the lore so it is no longer Orcs vs Humans but Orcs and Humans vs something else.  Do you think they caved to the players instead of keeping the lore?
    actually you got it wrong, humans enslaved orks, orks freed emselves and you kept hitting us!

    we are the scotts, you are thr brittish. braveheart would have been on our side! :expressionless: 

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Thane said:
    filmoret said:
    Warcraft;  Orcs vs Humans.  That is where it started.  Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing.  Since the launch of WOW and the players themselves not wanting to be evil Orcs they have changed the lore so it is no longer Orcs vs Humans but Orcs and Humans vs something else.  Do you think they caved to the players instead of keeping the lore?
    actually you got it wrong, humans enslaved orks, orks freed emselves and you kept hitting us!

    we are the scotts, you are thr brittish. braveheart would have been on our side! :expressionless: 
    I was one that always thought lore was important for mmo's.  They have good,evil, neutral.  Lawful, neutral, chaotic.  It makes sense when you think about it.  Some races should be evil and some should be good.  Yes of course they can have differences but even SWTOR has messed up lore.  You got evil Jedi and good Sith.  Soon they will be working together to fight against something else.  They do it because sith don't want to be evil and orcs don't want to be evil either.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    edited May 2016
    Part of what makes an MMO what  it is lies in the fact that it changes over time, rather a mirror on real life. Enemies become allies. Allies fracture into enemies. It is historical fact that this has happened all throughout our "real life" history, so why not in an MMO?

    MMORPGs were never designed to remain static and unchanging. They were meant to evolve and shift. An MMO stuck in time is boring. I say good that orcs have evolved into, as @tawess put it, noble savages. Humans should perhaps be flattered that they have. Maybe that nausea inducing "light" of theirs has infecte....inspired orcs to see things differently.

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  • Ashar1972Ashar1972 Member UncommonPosts: 24
    "Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing." I think that might be a good start from a certain factor's perspective. However to hold it true for 10 years+ of story-telling would make for very poor 2-dimensional lore.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    I wen back and read the lore and found it very interesting.  So warcraft starts with orcs opening a portal and invading the human world by killing humans.  The second game there is a civil war amongst the orcs which gives humans/elves opportunity to strike.  The third game is a prequel and it tells us that the orcs were poisoned by demons and that is why they became evil and attacked the humans in the first place.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Ashar1972 said:
    "Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing." I think that might be a good start from a certain factor's perspective. However to hold it true for 10 years+ of story-telling would make for very poor 2-dimensional lore.
    To allow such drastic change as them becoming friends and going completely against their nature is just weak imo.  Allowing players to shape lore in a game will completely destroy everything.  Because lets face it every player has different views of how they should be when playing an orc.  We don't do that with animals in the real world.  If you are pretending to be a dog you do certain things to mimic actually being a dog.  Same should go for mmos.  If you want to be an orc then you should act like one and not like a gnome or fairy princess.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Well, it do go against the lore of the earlier games and I kinda feel that the old ways were more interesting but it is hardly the thing that "ruins" the lore. 
  • MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,115
    filmoret said:
    Warcraft;  Orcs vs Humans.  That is where it started.  Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing.  Since the launch of WOW and the players themselves not wanting to be evil Orcs they have changed the lore so it is no longer Orcs vs Humans but Orcs and Humans vs something else.  Do you think they caved to the players instead of keeping the lore?
    huh? do you know lore? Warcraft 1 horde isnt the same Horde. they are known as the Dark Horde, and the splintered the modern day faction Horde.

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  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    Kyleran said:
    The Federation and Klingons eventually made peace, same thing here. (in fact some suspicious parallels in the story lines)
    The Ferengis are not part of the Federation.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,302
    Screw the lore

    The only good Orc is a dead Orc

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  • AgnharAgnhar Member UncommonPosts: 105
    They keep coming up with the most lame and stupid "Plot twists" to prevent this.
  • RobokappRobokapp Member RarePosts: 6,208
    Ashar1972 said:
    "Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing." I think that might be a good start from a certain factor's perspective. However to hold it true for 10 years+ of story-telling would make for very poor 2-dimensional lore.
    I don't know if that's exactly how it went...Most wow players accept the Alliance to be the eviller of the two.


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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    filmoret said:
    Warcraft;  Orcs vs Humans.  That is where it started.  Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing.  Since the launch of WOW and the players themselves not wanting to be evil Orcs they have changed the lore so it is no longer Orcs vs Humans but Orcs and Humans vs something else.  Do you think they caved to the players instead of keeping the lore?
    No orcs did not eat the babies or even humans, it was Trolls. It was the reason why Doomhammer broke alliance with Trolls and as a result fell to humans and most of them became enslaved, until of course green jesus freed them from slavery.

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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Robokapp said:
    Ashar1972 said:
    "Orcs were evil and they killed humans then ate the babies.  Trolls did the same thing." I think that might be a good start from a certain factor's perspective. However to hold it true for 10 years+ of story-telling would make for very poor 2-dimensional lore.
    I don't know if that's exactly how it went...Most wow players accept the Alliance to be the eviller of the two.


    Elf and Humans allied because of the Trolls killing both of the faction left and right and eating them alive. It was the 1st alliance, both humans and elves sent emissary to negotiate peace with trolls but as usual they ate the emissary and their guards. It was then both human and elves who were keeping a very thin line of peace among themselves decided to create a full alliance and eradicate the trolls. You can't really blame them for doing so.

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