Duping is now possible thanks to Daum's crappy servers.

MyNameIsV · May 2016

Duping is possible due to lag.

Only possible in Daum's version due to server instability.

[mod edit: Removed link explaining how to do this]

Riotact007 · May 2016

i duped a heap of items accidentally through transporting lol, turned up instantly at location but was also still in transit. Couldnt do it again though lol

Quazal.A · May 2016

Well this is what gets me, ive been playing game for over a 1000 hours and only 1 did i get lag, and even then was for a matter of seconds, a lot of people i have spoken to are the same, now the main instances that were causing problem were taken offline and in EU brought back on line last week.
So whilst it might work, i cannot comment on the US players, but for me on EU not seeing the problem, but also if it does lag then you need to be at market ready as often it comes quick > goes quick.

Adjuvant1 · May 2016

Vutar said:

I work in Korea and most computers here are using Windows XP still. Why? Well, because it saves them money. That is the general mentality here with businesses. They will always put saving money ahead of reliability/performance.

Edit: Also remember that anyone outside of Korea is considered a lesser being. To what degree depends on the country you are from.

Ahh, nationalism. It's a great, warm, fuzzy feeling inside, isn't it.

Adjuvant1 · May 2016

edit: meh, maybe Team America isn't a great contribution to the thread.

edit edit: Maybe this one is better.

Albatroes · May 2016

Wish I had popcorn

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holdenhamlet · May 2016

This guy has a boner for BDO. No coverage of hacking/botting in BnS for example.

That being said it would be nice to get a response from Daum. Duping is a serious thing and can totally bork a game.

holdenhamlet · May 2016

DMKano said:

holdenhamlet said:

This guy has a boner for BDO. No coverage of hacking/botting in BnS for example.

That being said it would be nice to get a response from Daum. Duping is a serious thing and can totally bork a game.

His motives are irrelevant if what he is saying holds water.

Duping sadly is a real issue in Black Desert.

Yeah I said it was an issue. L2read Kano.

drakaena · May 2016

Sounds a lot like what happened to AA.
This is why it's pointless to get hyped over Asian MMOs imo.
Sure this kind of thing can happen to any game but BDO doesn't care. It's only going to get worse.

Scorchien · May 2016

and the Turd circles the Bowl faster and faster .....

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Quizzical · May 2016

If your database code is fundamentally wrong enough, it may be basically impossible to fix it without a complete wipe. That's something that launched games would be very, very hesitant to do, even if it's the only way to end duping.

Viper482 · May 2016

DMKano said:

drakaena said:

Sounds a lot like what happened to AA.
This is why it's pointless to get hyped over Asian MMOs imo.
Sure this kind of thing can happen to any game but BDO doesn't care. It's only going to get worse.

AA dupe was not items but cash shop currency. Trion had logs and banned those who went crazy with it, the minor offenders got the funds taken away and got warnings.

The major offenders got banned and had a chance to have their accounts reinstated if they paid for the actual cash shop currency stolen upfront - and that was 1000s of dollars. It was basically - you stole from us, want to play again? Pay for 1000s you stole and you can play again - basically what a retail shop would do if they cough you stealing - gotta pay them for the goods.

Duping items outright doesn't work in most games because each item has a unique ID, if a dupe is detected the database wipes the 2nd one automatically.

Wow....just wow.

kjempff · May 2016

Although BDO seem especially badly designed when it comes to cheat preventing, no games comes out totally secure on first try.
It is a matter of how swift and determined a developer reacts with fixes and other consequences. The developers who takes this seriously often react within 24 hours, often with rollbacks, bans or even taking down the game service till the problem has been investigated and solved.

Archlyte · May 2016

Quizzical said:

If your database code is fundamentally wrong enough, it may be basically impossible to fix it without a complete wipe. That's something that launched games would be very, very hesitant to do, even if it's the only way to end duping.

So they cannot retroactively assign an ID to items by having all items in database be given an additional field and a unique number sequence assigned? Also how difficult would it then be to have that field checked for ID duplication as they go on to auction?

AreWeLive · May 2016

I remember the duping that went on back in the early days of Diablo, first question asked when you joined a group "are you legit" .... you would think this stuff would not happen in today's games, it is just lazy coding.

Archlyte · May 2016

AreWeLive said:

I remember the duping that went on back in the early days of Diablo, first question asked when you joined a group "are you legit" .... you would think this stuff would not happen in today's games, it is just lazy coding.

Well the Koreans are allowing this game to be played by sub-creatures so they didn't need to bump up the coding to higher standards lol

H0urg1ass · May 2016

kjempff said:

Although BDO seem especially badly designed when it comes to cheat preventing, no games comes out totally secure on first try.

It's one thing to have your game compromised by very determined hackers who will stop at nothing to ensure that they get a working cheat.

This, however, is more like building a bank, only hiring blind, deaf and mute guards, giving the guards nerf guns, building a vault safe and setting the code to 1234 and then installing a panic button that calls gameshark instead of the police. They've created probably the most exploitable MMO that I've heard of in years.

They totally screwed the pooch on this one.

donger56 · May 2016

DMKano said:

Duping items outright doesn't work in most games because each item has a unique ID, if a dupe is detected the database wipes the 2nd one automatically.

Well it all depends how you define it and how the system works. I recall in Vanguard if someone opened a trade window with you as you crafted then the act of crafting would produce the item without consuming the resources. That way you could produce endless amounts of something like ships without ever needing to make more than one set of parts. It might not be "duping" in the strict sense, but the end result was the same thing.

BDO is just a fundamentally flawed game on so many levels that it really should just be put out of it's misery because there is no way any of this is going to get cleaned up at this point. Maybe these Korean games just aren't designed with security in mind because they don't have so many people who have the sole purpose of trying to cheat and exploit to gain an advantage. Some people invest more time trying to game the system than they do learning how to play the game.

Iselin · May 2016

So linking sites that tell you how to do the dupe is now OK? Good to know...

Getting tired of this same dweeb's blog getting linked here so often. I guess he's moved on from hating on Neverwinter and then ESO and is now hacking and duping BDO.

H0urg1ass · May 2016

^^ Which is why I usually let a game sit and simmer for a couple of months before I jump in. Not only do I avoid long download times, log in Q's, crammed starting zones and early bugs, but if the game is totally compromised on every level, then I can just avoid it entirely. Which is what it looks like I'm going to be doing with this title.

Quizzical · May 2016

Archlyte said:

Quizzical said:

If your database code is fundamentally wrong enough, it may be basically impossible to fix it without a complete wipe. That's something that launched games would be very, very hesitant to do, even if it's the only way to end duping.

So they cannot retroactively assign an ID to items by having all items in database be given an additional field and a unique number sequence assigned? Also how difficult would it then be to have that field checked for ID duplication as they go on to auction?

It depends on how their database is done wrong. If it's almost right except that someone made a typo somewhere, maybe you can fix it by fixing the typo. But if no one at the company thought about security until after launch, fixing it properly will probably take an FFXIV-style relaunch, complete with the game being offline for months while all of the redone code gets properly tested.

This isn't a clean comparison, but I once played a game that had a walking through walls cheat that existed because if you were between tiles and tried to change direction, the game truncated (not rounded!) your coordinates to warp you to the center of a tile--which could sometimes be in a wall. That was so fundamental to the way the game was coded that the company never did fix it. What made this cheat really nasty is that innocent people could and often did trigger it without meaning to.

But it's important to realize that database code is not like a lot of other code where you can make a little change and see if it fixes a bug, and then try again a week later if it didn't. If you corrupt your database, your choices are likely a rollback to a known, non-corrupt state (which is also known to allow item duplication) or a full wipe of whatever portion is known to be corrupt--which could be the whole thing in some cases. If the reason your database is corrupt is some subtle glitch that takes you a month to realize anything is wrong, that's catastrophic, and could easily be much worse than a simple duping bug. In some cases, it could be "company goes out of business" catastrophic.

This is why you really, really want to get your fundamental database code in place early on, with only minor tweaks later (e.g., add a new property with all pre-existing items initialized to the same value).

AnnaTS · May 2016

Players will keep spending until they realize the ONLY way to keep up is to begin cheating yourself.

The top geared players exploiting the dupes are already so far ahead in gear they might as well be in godmode and this is without 3rd party client hacks.

Now add the 3rd party exploits - it's pretty borked already.

Again those paying are the ones who have not seen the exploits/cheaters first hand - once you do it's s wake up call.

I haven't spent a cent more than $50 on this - and never will - if Daum/Pearl Abyss want my money they need to fix the game first.

Wait to see what happens when Valencia comes out - you can't do JACK in there if you are under +15 gear, so it's gonna be a rude awakening for undergeared PvE folks who are like "hey new area to explore" - not if you don't have the gear.

If the game is so bad then why don't you go back playing that game you kept defending Archeage i haven't seen 1 positive about Black Desert when you was defending Archeage. lol

There was a news post on here a while back from Daum which said that everyone was going to get their T5 horse and i noticed you avoided from posting in there could you not find anything negative to say ?

I only know about the above because someone posted it in the forum and you kindly posted for them the link to news from daum but failed to comment on the subject which came across weird seeing as you like to talk about Black Desert so much.

How can someone be so negative about a game and still be playing.

AnnaTS · May 2016

DMKano said:

AnnaTS said:

Players will keep spending until they realize the ONLY way to keep up is to begin cheating yourself.

The top geared players exploiting the dupes are already so far ahead in gear they might as well be in godmode and this is without 3rd party client hacks.

Now add the 3rd party exploits - it's pretty borked already.

Again those paying are the ones who have not seen the exploits/cheaters first hand - once you do it's s wake up call.

I haven't spent a cent more than $50 on this - and never will - if Daum/Pearl Abyss want my money they need to fix the game first.

Wait to see what happens when Valencia comes out - you can't do JACK in there if you are under +15 gear, so it's gonna be a rude awakening for undergeared PvE folks who are like "hey new area to explore" - not if you don't have the gear.

If the game is so bad then why don't you go back playing that game you kept defending Archeage i haven't seen 1 positive about Black Desert when you was defending Archeage. lol

There was a news post on here a while back from Daum which said that everyone was going to get their T5 horse and i noticed you avoided from posting in there could you not find anything negative to say ?

How can someone be so negative about a game and still be playing.

I posted in the t5 thread - go look again.

The core game is great - I keep playing Black Desert because it's fun for me.

At the same time , the game has major issues, the dupes and exploits are huge flaws

Is this so hard to grasp - one can love the game and still point out the major issues?

I mean is it not acceptable to love something and at the same time call out its major pitfalls?

The only way this gets fixed is through exposure.

It would be FAR worse for the health of the game to ignore this.

Well if you can post the link to the news article on here about when Daum was giving everyone the T5 horses then i would, for some reason i search and i can't even find it now but i know what i saw because i thought it was strange that you would post in someones thread telling them the news article existed but not comment on the news arcticle.

I am not saying that people shouldn't bring negative stuff up about the game but maybe if you had the same concern when people was on here having problems with AA then it wouldn't seem weird and that you was on some sort of agenda.

waynejr2 · May 2016

Iselin said:

So linking sites that tell you how to do the dupe is now OK? Good to know...

Getting tired of this same dweeb's blog getting linked here so often. I guess he's moved on from hating on Neverwinter and then ESO and is now hacking and duping BDO.

Well, the one advantage of letting this out in the open is it could put pressure on the devs to address it. I mean that generally about problems in games. Also, if they opened their bug database so everyone can see the issues, they might do a better job in the first place.

NitemareMMO · May 2016

For Koreans you guys are easy money so why would they design tighter security or fix anything. Just iterate over to a new title and farm western wallets for as long it's possible imo.

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