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You guess complain and ask why we defend Chis, and when we throw that same logic back at you, it suddenly becomes trolling??
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Not cool man
But you're not.
I was talking about Roberts, there's nothing personal in it towards you.
In response you are trying to make this personal, making assumptions about me, about my life etc.
That's why.
""Roberts hasn't released a game in some 20 odd years."
yeah, stupid guy was off making movies and stuff, what a jerk!
/sarcasm"
You have absolutely no idea what Roberts did on/for those movies. Just like you have no idea what he really did in his gaming career.
Stan Lee is listed as executive producer on all the Marvel movies. Want to guess how involved he was?
The problem with believing any of the Roberts' pronouncements (ie, fuzzy math), is that he has a blazing track record of announcing things that he doesn't manage to deliver on. While you can wait for another three or four years, hoping that it will all work out, I wouldn't put any money in this thing until there's a real, delivered game.
You think it's a forgone conclusion, I think that even Erin Roberts skills won't be enough to fill the hole that his brother has dug.
((Sorry, quotes function apparantly isn't working for me right now.))
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
My question is as valid as yours.
You asked why we defend him like we do, and I asked you why you hate him like you do.
Please explain how that is "making it personal"?!?!?!?!?
I agree, a lot of problems in these threads is how people deal with percieved criticism of the project.
It seems to get taken personally and then it just escalates.
Do you have difficulties controlling your emotions ? Most people leave such difficulties behind when they graduate from high school.
Please don't throw around the "you people"...
I have my own concerns about this project that are quite different from a lot of the complaints on these forums, moreover I tend to not voice these concerns nor repeat the typical concerns that get aired here, so less of the "you people" would be much appreciated.
I feel like this is a role-reversal. If someone is at all critical then the easy response is to slap a form of your comment on them. I don't talk about whiteknights, I don't talk about brainwashed people, I try to be respectful especially where respect is reciprocated, if I do make a comment about a bit too much faith (which is rare) then I try to add a smiley to show it's partly in jest.
I don't get personal unless I am being treated that way. Yourself and a couple of others seem to try and get personal. That's a sign of emotion to me, instead of sticking with the topic it becomes about "your side" and "their side", that seems about as emotional as can be.
You started talking about the origin of my supposed "hate" and how it might be a reflection of my personal life. That's trying to make things about me rather than the topic at hand, thus personal.
Asking why he is defended was rhetorical. I had no interest in anyone's response to that, what followed was purely an airing of opinion about a subject not the seeking of feedback or understanding.
I have no idea what you are on about. I stated a few things about Roberts' history - the majority of which are factual and can be easily verified and yet somehow they are "making as many baseless accusations as you can..."
Very amusing, keep up the good work!
From the answers I have collected from forum users. It has to do with the 64 bit transition which caused scope and cost to skyrocket. And they also decided to do much more detail for planets and asteroids. This makes sense to me but I still cannot find such information on CIG's website about how this boosted cost and how this delayed production.
But youre not going to find any answers to questions that matter.
They did the math, I can accept they got that much right, I do not accept the fact they got 64 bit to work the way they intend it to in any way shape or form. Can they implement SOME 64 bit processes? Yes of course so can every other group out there, that was never the issue, the issue was HOW they said they were going to do it, and thats where everyone gets confused, even the guys trying to defend them because they dont know the difference either. Ironically I had to explain it out, and then the guy made the video, which said basically what I said about 3 hours before it got posted. Although he explained the math better and used another game (with a different approach) to explain it on another level, but IMO that simply confused more people and it didnt explain what Star Citizen had planned, mostly because even he, like myself, said it was all speculation and based on what they said they were going to do and what was realistically possible with that approach. Thats guys video said nothing to support Roberts or Star Citizen and it most definitely didnt say they could do it, it in fact said (almost) exactly what I had said that same morning yet every white knight took that video as a defense of Star Citizen while what I said was taken as an attack. It doesnt take a genius to see these guys really dont know what theyre talking about.
Now if you go read all the stuff they posted in their monthly update it all sounds great, but so does everything else they have written or spoken in the past. So therefore it now has come to seeing is believing. The pro camp still is believing everything they say. And they probably always will.
But even in the face of all their hyperbole, rhetoric and positive spin I remain confident that we wont see anything major in terms of persistence for months. Will they be able to save reputation, damage and stats (if there are any)? Well I would hope so, but will they be able to save every single data point (and anything that is occupying it) in a 64 bit game world, not F--ing hardly, and they might never be able to do that. So thats the stuff these guys dont understand when it comes to having a persistent world, its one thing to save character data its another to save every bit of data in the game (that is constantly changing).
So no you wont be getting any answers to those questions because for one they cant answer them and for another they cant even think of an answer that would sound right that couldnt be picked apart by people who do know what theyre talking about. So they keep it all positive and tow the 'we are working on it and its really close' mantra, just like they did with Star Marine right up until they eventually had to cancel it, and then after a few months they came out and said 'no no we made it like we always said we would' as if they thought a year or so removed would make people forget what they claimed.
The patterns are all there, and the guy who broke it all down in a post awhile back had it perfectly outlined. If this were the FIRST time stuff like this had happened you could give them a break maybe but its basically the 4th or however many projects he has done time (because it happens in 100% of the stuff he does).
But like I said it falls on what they have claimed and what they are goin to deliver I will give them some leeway until they start delaying this stuff again or changing focus.
Where do i spend $1000 on a ship?!