Just for the record, it's highly unlikely that CR said "I believe this can be done so I'm going to do it."
Remember that they have, basically, the entire Crytek team working for CIG, including former lead developers and system architects. If it actually is an impossibility, I'm sure these people never said anything, and I'm sure CR would have leaned on them heavily for feedback on the concept.
The Crytek team wasn't on board when most of the claims were made. Almost all the claims were made during the funding state. If anything, they are left to create what CR said HE could before they were even around, regardless of viability.
They weren't brought on board until much later when Crytek defaulted, had to restructure, and shut down some of their studios. They don't have the whole Crytek team working for them by any stretch. Crytek just released another version of their engine and are currently working on two games and one game/application each for Sony and Oculus VR. Most of the former Crytek folk were likely scavenged from the restructure and studio shut downs. It hit the UK, Austin, and Frankfurt offices hardest. Exactly where CIG set up shop. Frankfurt lost some people. The UK and Austin offices went defunct. They were both game dev studios, not the engine.
That whole buying out the Crytek studio thing was just another overstatement. Or, at best, a flying rumor that never got dispelled as it was favorable. They bought the license for the engine outright and had a few people who had worked in it on board. Huge difference. YUGE!
Yeah everyone is crazy but the SC backers and developers, also let's not forget CR the brains behind it all. Plus we can't leave out Sandi who can't act and was behind the whole funding for this 111m bucks. But I do have one small question and I hope you guys that attack in every post can give me a real answer.
Why the hell would they need to spend backer money on this. >
I really hope our gaming sites start waking up and find out why stuff like this is needed for making a game. Start asking CR the hard questions and ask to see the work people say they have behind the doors!
Oh notice the expensive sofa when door opens. WoW!
It's not only Derek Smart asking questions about SC. I had the same questions about this project long before I even knew who he was. He just gave a voice to the many many people that looked objectively at what CIG was actually delivering and said '...huh?'
I nearly backed SC myself at the hangar stage. It looked really cool. But as the ridiculous list of stretch goals continued it seemed obvious to me that something was wrong. The scope of what was being proposed could not be delivered. My job is to fix software projects that have become so broken they are on the point of being canned and so I'm very familiar with the banana skins that dev teams can slip over on. At the time I thought 'wow they must have one hell of a project plan and amazing management if they are to pull this off'.
unfortunately it became quickly apparent that they don't have a plan or amazing management, particularly around quality and scope control. And architecture. And delegation / empowerment. And cost control.
With my EYES it was obvious that they are in a death spiral and have shown few signs of being able to a) admit it and b) think their way out of it.
they are selling jpegs to pay to develop the ships they previously sold as other jpegs, then they need to sell further jpegs to pay for the previous ones ad infinitum. It takes on the appearance of a Ponzi scheme therefore.
using my own EYES again I can see no resemblance between what they have been selling and what they are delivering. The characters in Half Life 2 looks more visually impressive than SC.
Mny own EYES again tell me that their underlying tech is not capable of supporting a vast scale space game. Hilariously the white knights seem OK with instancing - it goes against everything a massive space game should be but they don't allow themselves to think critically about it.
I don't now or ever did need Derek Smart to point this stuff out. Keep focussing on him and keep missing the point.
Yeah everyone is crazy but the SC backers and developers, also let's not forget CR the brains behind it all. Plus we can't leave out Sandi who can't act and was behind the whole funding for this 111m bucks. But I do have one small question and I hope you guys that attack in every post can give me a real answer.
Why the hell would they need to spend backer money on this. >
I really hope our gaming sites start waking up and find out why stuff like this is needed for making a game. Start asking CR the hard questions and ask to see the work people say they have behind the doors!
Oh notice the expensive sofa when door opens. WoW!
Wonder how many jpeg ships they had to sell to pay for that door!
Derek ripped the game in his blog, they banned him and gave him a refund even though he did not originally ask for one. That is what started the whole public DS fight with CIG. He got banned and refunded for writing a blog. Let that sink in.
DS did quite more than just writing a blog. He even went as far as promoting LoD using CIG's platform. Let that sink in.
Dare I ask for links to the forum threads where he promoted LOD on the RSI website?
Yeah everyone is crazy but the SC backers and developers, also let's not forget CR the brains behind it all. Plus we can't leave out Sandi who can't act and was behind the whole funding for this 111m bucks. But I do have one small question and I hope you guys that attack in every post can give me a real answer.
Why the hell would they need to spend backer money on this. >
I really hope our gaming sites start waking up and find out why stuff like this is needed for making a game. Start asking CR the hard questions and ask to see the work people say they have behind the doors!
Oh notice the expensive sofa when door opens. WoW!
Wonder how many jpeg ships they had to sell to pay for that door!
It's things like that that make me question the notion they're out of money, because how will that look if they run out of money? They'd have to be straight up morons to be spending on things like that if they're hurting for funds, as well as in danger of not completing the project. They'd be leaving a visible trail of incompetence, a failure to prioritize, and a number of other damning things. It's just too stupid of a thing to do in such a situation.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's things like that that make me question the notion they're out of money, because how will that look if they run out of money? They'd have to be straight up morons to be spending on things like that if they're hurting for funds, as well as in danger of not completing the project. They'd be leaving a visible trail of incompetence, a failure to prioritize, and a number of other damning things. It's just too stupid of a thing to do in such a situation.
So if the project fails, do the backers get to take their 100 millon in rage out on cig offices, with sledgehammers? The person who pledged the most gets first shot at that door.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So if the project fails, do the backers get to take their 100 millon in rage out on cig offices, with sledgehammers? The person who pledged the most gets first shot at that door.
So if the project fails, do the backers get to take their 100 millon in rage out on cig offices, with sledgehammers? The person who pledged the most gets first shot at that door.
They get 10 minutes alone with Chris in a room with no cameras, sound proofed and comes equipped with all manner of knives and bludgeons.
That whole buying out the Crytek studio thing was just another overstatement. Or, at best, a flying rumor that never got dispelled as it was favorable. They bought the license for the engine outright and had a few people who had worked in it on board. Huge difference. YUGE!
25 Crytek experts stationed in Frankfurt in a studio established for this purpose by CIG is much more than "a few people" as you put it.
Yeah everyone is crazy but the SC backers and developers, also let's not forget CR the brains behind it all. Plus we can't leave out Sandi who can't act and was behind the whole funding for this 111m bucks. But I do have one small question and I hope you guys that attack in every post can give me a real answer.
Why the hell would they need to spend backer money on this. >
I really hope our gaming sites start waking up and find out why stuff like this is needed for making a game. Start asking CR the hard questions and ask to see the work people say they have behind the doors!
Oh notice the expensive sofa when door opens. WoW!
The mural in the background really brings the room together.
I'd feel better about this if they actually had a working product and were in the black. This just looks too much like they are building Star Tours instead of building a game.
/2c
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In what manner(s) specifically are we to understand these 25 people have been contributory? Apparently, they've been working with an engine, for the past how ever long, that could not do what was being "sold". Major alterations need major solutions, and these 25 experts couldn't tell this 5 months ago?
In what manner(s) specifically are we to understand these 25 people have been contributory? Apparently, they've been working with an engine, for the past how ever long, that could not do what was being "sold". Major alterations need major solutions, and these 25 experts couldn't tell this 5 months ago?
If you truely want an answer you have a task: Ask them .....
In what manner(s) specifically are we to understand these 25 people have been contributory? Apparently, they've been working with an engine, for the past how ever long, that could not do what was being "sold". Major alterations need major solutions, and these 25 experts couldn't tell this 5 months ago?
If you truely want an answer you have a task: Ask them .....
I posted their adress above.
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What if some number of them say they knew there was more work needed for that, but collected a paycheck, messing about with this current "alpha".
What if they tell me they had no clue about any of this server fps thing. Which one is an expert?
What if .... you really asked them instead of talking about it ?
The forum has an "Ask a Dev" section with thousands of dev answers.
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What other choices are there, they knew or they didn't know?
What is asking them in "ask a dev" going to prove? Why did you even type it?
edit: You know they're not going to answer "why didn't 25 cryengine experts know the game still needed significant back-end work when you tried pushing this "2.0 alpha" on us when there's no way this application can currently do what you've been selling"?
That whole buying out the Crytek studio thing was just another overstatement. Or, at best, a flying rumor that never got dispelled as it was favorable. They bought the license for the engine outright and had a few people who had worked in it on board. Huge difference. YUGE!
25 Crytek experts stationed in Frankfurt in a studio established for this purpose by CIG is much more than "a few people" as you put it.
Huge difference. HUGE.
"HAD a few people" as in at the time of the claims of what could be done. That is what the discussion was about. So when was the Frankfurt office created? And when were the claims of what was going to be done made?
For the purposes of your argument and adding the context in which my statement was made, Crytek "HAD" roughly 700 employees in 2014. Even all of 25 people is still far, far closer to "a few people" than "basically, the entire Crytek team"
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They weren't brought on board until much later when Crytek defaulted, had to restructure, and shut down some of their studios. They don't have the whole Crytek team working for them by any stretch. Crytek just released another version of their engine and are currently working on two games and one game/application each for Sony and Oculus VR. Most of the former Crytek folk were likely scavenged from the restructure and studio shut downs. It hit the UK, Austin, and Frankfurt offices hardest. Exactly where CIG set up shop. Frankfurt lost some people. The UK and Austin offices went defunct. They were both game dev studios, not the engine.
That whole buying out the Crytek studio thing was just another overstatement. Or, at best, a flying rumor that never got dispelled as it was favorable. They bought the license for the engine outright and had a few people who had worked in it on board. Huge difference. YUGE!
Why the hell would they need to spend backer money on this. >
I really hope our gaming sites start waking up and find out why stuff like this is needed for making a game. Start asking CR the hard questions and ask to see the work people say they have behind the doors!
Oh notice the expensive sofa when door opens. WoW!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I nearly backed SC myself at the hangar stage. It looked really cool. But as the ridiculous list of stretch goals continued it seemed obvious to me that something was wrong. The scope of what was being proposed could not be delivered. My job is to fix software projects that have become so broken they are on the point of being canned and so I'm very familiar with the banana skins that dev teams can slip over on. At the time I thought 'wow they must have one hell of a project plan and amazing management if they are to pull this off'.
unfortunately it became quickly apparent that they don't have a plan or amazing management, particularly around quality and scope control. And architecture. And delegation / empowerment. And cost control.
With my EYES it was obvious that they are in a death spiral and have shown few signs of being able to a) admit it and b) think their way out of it.
they are selling jpegs to pay to develop the ships they previously sold as other jpegs, then they need to sell further jpegs to pay for the previous ones ad infinitum. It takes on the appearance of a Ponzi scheme therefore.
using my own EYES again I can see no resemblance between what they have been selling and what they are delivering. The characters in Half Life 2 looks more visually impressive than SC.
Mny own EYES again tell me that their underlying tech is not capable of supporting a vast scale space game. Hilariously the white knights seem OK with instancing - it goes against everything a massive space game should be but they don't allow themselves to think critically about it.
I don't now or ever did need Derek Smart to point this stuff out. Keep focussing on him and keep missing the point.
think critically about this project.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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They get 10 minutes alone with Chris in a room with no cameras, sound proofed and comes equipped with all manner of knives and bludgeons.
Huge difference. HUGE.
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I'd feel better about this if they actually had a working product and were in the black. This just looks too much like they are building Star Tours instead of building a game.
/2c
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Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I posted their adress above.
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What if they tell me they had no clue about any of this server fps thing. Which one is an expert?
The forum has an "Ask a Dev" section with thousands of dev answers.
Have fun
What is asking them in "ask a dev" going to prove? Why did you even type it?
edit: You know they're not going to answer "why didn't 25 cryengine experts know the game still needed significant back-end work when you tried pushing this "2.0 alpha" on us when there's no way this application can currently do what you've been selling"?
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For the purposes of your argument and adding the context in which my statement was made, Crytek "HAD" roughly 700 employees in 2014. Even all of 25 people is still far, far closer to "a few people" than "basically, the entire Crytek team"
My hyperbole can beat up your hyperbole
I'm sure @Adjuvant1 ;question would be well received. Probably get closed for violating a forum rule and then account suspended for spreading FUD