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Nostalrius Servers Issued Court Order to Close Shop

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  • KarvarenKarvaren Member UncommonPosts: 12
    Hi folks. 
    I played on Nost and Blizzard took away my hobby: Vanilla WoW. I understand that it's Blizzard's job to be "asshats" and hunt people having fun - but I don't condone it and I hate them for it.

    In our guild there are a lot of mature people with kids and families that just love playing this type of classic gaming. We are not playing on Nost because it's free, but because it's the best Vanilla server - Nost also do not take donations or have a cash shop. I re-found my love from 10 years ago, with almost perfect precision.

    Needless to say, I don't play any other Blizzard/Activision products and as it looks, it is very unlikely that I will in the future.

    Maybe there is some other MMO in the making that can help me out, since I have now lost my hobby.

    Sincerely,
    Northborn - Nost PvE.


  • RobokappRobokapp Member RarePosts: 6,113
    I'd play on a solid vanilla server...blizzard-hosted or otherwise. 

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  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,305
  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,305
    Robokapp said:
    I'd play on a solid vanilla server...blizzard-hosted or otherwise. 
    there are still others but nos was the grand daddy.




  • kairel182kairel182 Member UncommonPosts: 287
    Zarriya said:
    This shows how much desire there is to play vanilla WoW.
    Not really. Private servers dont have enough player capacity to maintain a paid service running. Meaning, WoW has millions of paying players whilea private server has like 1k-5k free people? If Official WoW had that many people (even paying) it would shutdown so fast we never see it coming.

    What this(private servers of existing games) does show is that a number of people dont want to pay for games.
    Definitely wrong.  I fucking hate WoW and everything it has become, but if they offered a Vanilla only server, I'd actually consider it.  Otherwise, Blizzard will never get any cash out of me again.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,728
    Talonsin said:
    I dont understand why game companies do not offer this as an alternative...  I'm with Blizzard taking action against people who try and profit from their IP's but I would think they would see the opportunity here.
    My guess is because people would constantly badger them to update the separate version in ways they want. Another would be that it likely confuses new players.

    I agree it -would- be nice though, if the demand is strong enough. Besides... didn't EQ recently do something like this? Or did that fall through? Maybe Blizzard is planning the same thing? Hence being willing to pay the legal costs to sue these guys now?

    My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)

    https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/

  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member UncommonPosts: 602
    crappy blizzard..

    They dont have the balls to make a new mmo
    They dont wanne open pervieus versions for wow.. for their playerbase

    but

    they do sew the private servers for it..

    FCK you blizzard!!?
  • winghaven1winghaven1 Member RarePosts: 707
    Well that sucks. Despite being a private server I would choose it over 'retail' anyday. WoW's glory days are gone for sure if even actual blizz are shutting down gems like these. Instead of shutting down these servers that are so increasingly popular due to being vanilla-based why don't they just wisen up and make their own official one.
  • StizzledStizzled Member RarePosts: 1,936
    Yeah, this just blindsided my entire guild today, it's a damn shame. Too bad for Blizzard though, we just picked up the pieces and moved to a TBC server. We're sorry if we don't want to play your current, shitty version of WoW. We still love the game you created, but we aren't going to be forced to play what it has become.

    People can call us whatever they want, if Blizzard won't provide what we're looking for, at a reasonable price, then we're always going to go somewhere else. It's simple supply and demand.

    It's funny to see so many talking about cancelling their live subs and not getting the expac now. If only they would follow through on those empty threats.
  • skadadskadad Member UncommonPosts: 382
    Talonsin said:
    I dont understand why game companies do not offer this as an alternative...  I'm with Blizzard taking action against people who try and profit from their IP's but I would think they would see the opportunity here.
    My guess is because people would constantly badger them to update the separate version in ways they want. Another would be that it likely confuses new players.

    I agree it -would- be nice though, if the demand is strong enough. Besides... didn't EQ recently do something like this? Or did that fall through? Maybe Blizzard is planning the same thing? Hence being willing to pay the legal costs to sue these guys now?
    atm there are 3 progression servers in eq1 and 1 in eq2 with players voting to unlock expansions. They have also started progression servers in eq1 2-3 times before. DGB also have said they will not shut down p99 aswell. 
  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 992
    Why? People do realize this was a voluntary project right and no profits were being made of this?

    Even so, are we honestly going to say blizz, a multi million dollar company was upset over a tiny private server?

    Someone said would I care if I was blizz? Fuck no, why would I? The only time It would cross my mind is if I knew I was doing a utter shit job and someone was doing it better than me.

    When people cheer and jump up an down to these kinds of things when it has no effect on them what so ever, it tends to be out of fear or desperation.

    So I feel there is a lot more to this than meets the eye imho

  • NokksonwoodNokksonwood Member UncommonPosts: 91
    Tiny minority of WOW players on private servers that are free. If the private servers started charging, that playerbase would drop a lot. Special snowflakes that miss the good old days and can't move on. I enjoyed vanilla wow, but I would not play it again.

    I also enjoyed old style games like EQ, AC & UO. However, I would also not play games like that today because of the horrible UI and sluggish combat.
  • exile01exile01 Member RarePosts: 1,050
    edited April 2016
    Well vanilla WoW was the only WoW i every played. I played back then open Beta and didnt like it. 10 y later i started in Nost and made it to 42 but damn- the game was still a pile of shet. ( i played it because i wanted to understand why people liked WoW, i couldnt find out. Must be something in their brain.)
  • josko9josko9 Member RarePosts: 577
    I don't see anything wrong with the private servers, especially with the ones running on such old versions. People that are happy about this really disgust me. But it's not really surprising, most of WoW's playerbase is like that.

    WoW has been literal garbage ever since cataclysm, and I'm quite surprised they didn't go F2P already. I suppose people invested so much time they just can't move on to far better alternatives. The game's quality is even worse than some F2P MMOs.

    Either way I'm wondering how this will all play out. Having another 1mil of people getting pissed off with greedy Blizzard will definitively show. And I already thought there couldn't be more hate for WoW then it already is.
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    Herase said:
    Why? People do realize this was a voluntary project right and no profits were being made of this?

    Even so, are we honestly going to say blizz, a multi million dollar company was upset over a tiny private server?

    Someone said would I care if I was blizz? Fuck no, why would I? The only time It would cross my mind is if I knew I was doing a utter shit job and someone was doing it better than me.

    When people cheer and jump up an down to these kinds of things when it has no effect on them what so ever, it tends to be out of fear or desperation.

    So I feel there is a lot more to this than meets the eye imho

    It is both a legal issue and a matter of principle. These administrators neither own the intellectual property rights to World of Warcraft nor did they expend the effort to create the game, both of which require copious amounts of money to do and something Blizzard did. Legally, they have every right to shut down that server and any other for what amounts to theft.

    Put another way: Let's say you wrote a best-selling novel that made millions and then made revisions that some people did not like. If those upset people took your book, a thing created with your blood, sweat and tears, and made copies to sell to all other disaffected people, would you not be upset? I would. My creation, my right to sell and profit from it.

    While these folks may not "profit" from their activities, I'll bet there's a prominent "donate" button to keep the servers running. While not profit in their pockets, it amounts to the same thing since without the donations, they could not keep things going.

    Lastly, the "offer" to give server information to "anyone who wants to make their own private server speaks to their high and mighty ideals, doesn't it?


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • pinktailzpinktailz Member UncommonPosts: 173
    if server didnt make any profits then it should be considered as free advertisement lol

    just imagine someone spend hundreds or hours making code for emulation; for every frikin thing - for free

    activizzzard again doing only one thing it can do - ruin all fun
  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 992
    edited April 2016
    SBFord said:
    Herase said:
    Why? People do realize this was a voluntary project right and no profits were being made of this?

    Even so, are we honestly going to say blizz, a multi million dollar company was upset over a tiny private server?

    Someone said would I care if I was blizz? Fuck no, why would I? The only time It would cross my mind is if I knew I was doing a utter shit job and someone was doing it better than me.

    When people cheer and jump up an down to these kinds of things when it has no effect on them what so ever, it tends to be out of fear or desperation.

    So I feel there is a lot more to this than meets the eye imho

    It is both a legal issue and a matter of principle. These administrators neither own the intellectual property rights to World of Warcraft nor did they expend the effort to create the game, both of which require copious amounts of money to do and something Blizzard did. Legally, they have every right to shut down that server and any other for what amounts to theft.

    Put another way: Let's say you wrote a best-selling novel that made millions and then made revisions that some people did not like. If those upset people took your book, a thing created with your blood, sweat and tears, and made copies to sell to all other disaffected people, would you not be upset? I would. My creation, my right to sell and profit from it.

    While these folks may not "profit" from their activities, I'll bet there's a prominent "donate" button to keep the servers running. While not profit in their pockets, it amounts to the same thing since without the donations, they could not keep things going.

    Lastly, the "offer" to give server information to "anyone who wants to make their own private server speaks to their high and mighty ideals, doesn't it?
    I understand all the legal stuff, but I don't see the book analogy in the same way. 

    They may have put blood and sweat into it, but they didn't hesitate when gutting and abandoning it all after every xpac in hopes of making more money. In all honesty? As someone who actually does write music, I couldn't be mad at someone for sharing the work I once did and also I would feel I don't have the right to complain (morally anyway) as I was the one who abandoned my work and threw it out the window. To hype up later because it's getting popular, just says a lot about a person. I would reevaluate myself as an artist at that point tbh. 
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    edited April 2016
    Herase said:
    SBFord said:


    They may have put blood and sweat into it, but they didn't hesitate when gutting and abandoning it all after every xpac in hopes of making more money. In all honesty? As someone who actually does write music, I couldn't be mad at someone for sharing the work I once did and also I would feel I don't have the right to complain (morally anyway) as I was the one who abandoned my work and threw it out the window. To hype up later because it's getting popular, just says a lot about a person. I would reevaluate myself as an artist at that point tbh. 
    Your argument is subjective. You believe it is "gutting and abandoning it all" while I may not. Blizzard is vested in moving the game forward to their specification as is their right to do as the owner and creator of the product in question.

    With regard to your music, take, for instance, your latest tune from which a novice band cut a small but recognizable piece. They then use that piece to make a profit, gaining income from your work. If you choose to ignore that, it is your right to do so. Blizzard does not as is their legal right.

    The bottom line is that Blizzard has been saying NO to legacy/vanilla servers for a decade now and they aren't going to change their minds. No amount of petitions or pleading will change their mind this year any more than the previous nine. 



    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • hallucigenocidehallucigenocide Member RarePosts: 1,003
    i heard blizzard claims that they cant make a legacy server since they dont have the data. then why not just throw some money at those nostalrius guys and get it done instead? the demand is obviously there since the topics been brought up for years and people keep asking for it.

    I had fun once, it was terrible.

  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    edited April 2016
    Varking said:
    I dunno guys... maybe Blizzard plans on adding time locked vanilla style servers so this is the start? None of us know what is going on behind the scenes.
    Don't think so.
    They were just pissed that an ancient version of their own game was pulling 1 Million players (even though they told us there was not enough interest).
    They are still up their own arse though, they won't make a Vanilla Server even when the facts are telling them there is clearly a market for it.

    They just prefer to swipe the truth under the carpet, they have an ego the size of a whale.
    Bottom line is, I would pay to play a n Official Vanilla Server, but I won't buy Legion.
    If they don't want my money, it's ok, I'll spend it somewhere else, but don't look surprise you are losing players with each expansion.

  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,996
    edited April 2016
    SBFord said:
    Herase said:
    Why? People do realize this was a voluntary project right and no profits were being made of this?

    Even so, are we honestly going to say blizz, a multi million dollar company was upset over a tiny private server?

    Someone said would I care if I was blizz? Fuck no, why would I? The only time It would cross my mind is if I knew I was doing a utter shit job and someone was doing it better than me.

    When people cheer and jump up an down to these kinds of things when it has no effect on them what so ever, it tends to be out of fear or desperation.

    So I feel there is a lot more to this than meets the eye imho

    It is both a legal issue and a matter of principle. These administrators neither own the intellectual property rights to World of Warcraft nor did they expend the effort to create the game, both of which require copious amounts of money to do and something Blizzard did. Legally, they have every right to shut down that server and any other for what amounts to theft.

    Put another way: Let's say you wrote a best-selling novel that made millions and then made revisions that some people did not like. If those upset people took your book, a thing created with your blood, sweat and tears, and made copies to sell to all other disaffected people, would you not be upset? I would. My creation, my right to sell and profit from it.

    While these folks may not "profit" from their activities, I'll bet there's a prominent "donate" button to keep the servers running. While not profit in their pockets, it amounts to the same thing since without the donations, they could not keep things going.

    Lastly, the "offer" to give server information to "anyone who wants to make their own private server speaks to their high and mighty ideals, doesn't it?
    The point is getting Blizzard to adopt a better acceptance of emulators like what was done with EQ. The people playing vanilla wow are Blizzard fans! Yet Blizzard continues to stomp on them.

    They are only illegal because Blizzard is making it so not allowing an alternative solution that would actually be in their favor.

    This problem entirely goes away if Blizzard took ownership of it.

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    You stay sassy!

  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 603
    I doubt a single of those vanilla players will go back to official servers. Net loss for Blizz/Activision to allow a few private vanilla servers? I'd estimate around zero.
    But of course it's a slippery slope. If they start allowing vanilla servers, next you'll have servers of all sorts popping up left and right making profit off copyrights they don't own.
    All in all Blizzard's behavior here makes perfect sense to me.

    But more importantly I wonder if it's finally sinking in their thick skulls that people don't like where WoW has been headed these last years and that there's a lot of money to be made with official vanilla servers, much like NCsoft has done with Lineage 2.
  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    Tamanous said:
    SBFord said:

    The point is getting Blizzard to adopt a better acceptance of emulators like what was done with EQ. The people playing vanilla wow are Blizzard fans! Yet Blizzard continues to stomp of them.

    They are only illegal because Blizzard is making it so not allowing an alternative solution that would actually be in their favor.

    This problem entirely goes away if Blizzard took ownership of it.
    As the owner of the IP, it is their right to do what they wish with it. They've strongly and repeatedly stated they do NOT want to run vanilla servers. I can guarantee you that if they thought they could make money on a LONG TERM basis out of vanilla servers, they'd do it. Further, I can guarantee that they have conducted the appropriate research into the matter and found it lacking in that respect.

    Blizzard doesn't "owe" anybody, or any group, anything no matter how much people might wish they did.


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,996
    Scambug said:
    I doubt a single of those vanilla players will go back to official servers. Net loss for Blizz/Activision to allow a few private vanilla servers? I'd estimate around zero.
    But of course it's a slippery slope. If they start allowing vanilla servers, next you'll have servers of all sorts popping up left and right making profit off copyrights they don't own.
    All in all Blizzard's behavior here makes perfect sense to me.

    But more importantly I wonder if it's finally sinking in their thick skulls that people don't like where WoW has been headed these last years and that there's a lot of money to be made with official vanilla servers, much like NCsoft has done with Lineage 2.
    This is correct. Most who play vanilla do not support current wow. This has been discussed on Nost over and over. It is a different player base for the most part and Blizzard would pick up customers if they supported it instead of stepping on the throats of the very fan base that made Blizzard who they are today.

    You stay sassy!

  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
    ste2000 said:
    Varking said:
    I dunno guys... maybe Blizzard plans on adding time locked vanilla style servers so this is the start? None of us know what is going on behind the scenes.
    Don't think so.
    They were just pissed that an ancient version of their own game was pulling 1 Million players (even though they told us there was not enough interest).
    Not true. Even from the server's own letter, there were 800,000 REGISTERED accounts, not players. How many times have people ripped other games for promoting registered accounts over verified players? In a word: Tons.

    They claim 800,000 registered accounts, yet only 100,000 active players....a mere 1/8th stick to it. I'd bet lots thought they'd love vanilla, registered, played 15 minutes and said, "LOL nope!" ;)


    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


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