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How monitor makers like Asus are pixelating the truth to fake you out

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  • Solar_ProphetSolar_Prophet Member EpicPosts: 1,960
    How does that old saying go? 
    "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure."
    Good old Mark Twain. 

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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,888
    edited March 2016
    Could you please tell your source, or otherwise mark that your post is a quote, at the start of the quote. Hiding the information that your first post is not written by you at the bottom of your second post is really confusing.

    EDIT: The articles you post are interesting, thank you for them.
     
  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    edited March 2016
    Vrika said:
    Could you please mark that your source, or otherwise mark that your post is a quote, at the start of the quote. Hiding the information that your first post is not written by you at the bottom of your second post is really confusing.

    EDIT: The articles you post are interesting, thank you for them.
    He's not quoting articles. He's plagiarizing them by copying the entire article. None of the information in these posts were created by him.

    Quoting comes under fair use of copyrighted material. This isn't fair use.

    But it is a way to gain points on this website.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,380
    As someone who plays iRacing, Gran Turismo, Project Cars, Dirt 2&3... I can verify that 144hz refresh rate is fantastically better than 60hz when playing racing games.

    Trying to show that difference with a still picture is hilarious.  The reason 144hz is so much better for racing games is because it refreshes so much faster that you don't get blurry images of the cars around you and the track.
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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    blueturtle13 said:
    Grunty said:
    Vrika said:
    Could you please mark that your source, or otherwise mark that your post is a quote, at the start of the quote. Hiding the information that your first post is not written by you at the bottom of your second post is really confusing.

    EDIT: The articles you post are interesting, thank you for them.
    He's not quoting articles. He's plagiarizing them by copying the entire article. None of the information in these posts were created by him.

    Quoting comes under fair use of copyrighted material. This isn't fair use.

    But it is a way to gain points on this website.
    Snip


    Sometimes I copy an article I find interesting and share it here. Usually the ones I do not send to Suzie to post for news stories. I never claim they are mine unless it is not linked with a source. If it is not linked it is mine and I wrote it.
    This article was too long to submit as one post. (there is a character length restriction) so I split it into two posts.
    Sorry you think this is for a 'points' scheme @Grunty but I post not just on this site and always link my sources. If Suzie posts my news articles then I avoid posting it on other sites. 
    I like to share articles on gaming and tech that I find interesting. Others seem to enjoy it as well. Sometimes they may have not seen the article if I had not posted it here. I make sure to link it to allow them to read further or to discover a new site.

    It is fair use. All you have to do is link back to the source.
    unlike you posting a link here:
    http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/446250/dice-awards-game-of-the-year-goes-to-fallout-4#latest
    I post the article and provide the link that way someone does not have to leave the site if they do not want to.  ;)

    Thanks for your concern though. Cheers!


    Ok, you know what plagiarize means. It is still not fair use.

    If you were to quote a small (relative) portion of the article and link to the article then it is fair use. Copying the majority of someone else's copyrighted material is still not fair use.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,000
    You don't sale the steak you sell the sizzle the steak makes.  

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  • HrimnirHrimnir Member RarePosts: 2,415

    Waaayy back in the day of CRT monitors, my buddy and I used to joke about this exact topic because monitor companies were moving towards a lot of these ridiculous names, trying to evoke performance in the names.  So we created the idea of the "Maxi-hella Scan" monitor, again as a joke.

    However, I am a firm believer that unless the company willfully withholds information or purposefully gives incorrect information in order to entice a buyer (Ponzi schemes, etc).  Then the onus falls on the consumer's shoulder to properly research anything they buy.

    I am a big purveyor of personal responsibility.  The consumer is ultimately the one that makes the choice to buy a product or not.  If they are unwilling or uninterested in doing the research, or are too trusting of the salesman, that's their problem.

    However, that is also why resources exist to call bullshit on companies claims.  As far as tech there are places like anandtech, tomshardware, etc, where you can get relatively unbiased information as to whether a product performs in the manner the company says it does, or not.

    "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

    - Friedrich Nietzsche

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    edited March 2016
    Grunty said:
    Grunty said:
    Vrika said:
    Could you please mark that your source, or otherwise mark that your post is a quote, at the start of the quote. Hiding the information that your first post is not written by you at the bottom of your second post is really confusing.

    EDIT: The articles you post are interesting, thank you for them.
    He's not quoting articles. He's plagiarizing them by copying the entire article. None of the information in these posts were created by him.

    Quoting comes under fair use of copyrighted material. This isn't fair use.

    But it is a way to gain points on this website.
    Snip



    Thanks for your concern though. Cheers!


    Ok, you know what plagiarize means. It is still not fair use.

    If you were to quote a small (relative) portion of the article and link to the article then it is fair use. Copying the majority of someone else's copyrighted material is still not fair use.
    Yes it is @Grunty ;.  Look at the front page news stories. The FF14 story Suzie posted. I sent her that and am mentioned in a thank you. It came from the source site and is able to be used. Why? It is linked to the source. If you simply find an article you like, post it and link back to the source it is fair use. Under US copyright law

    What Is Fair Use?

    In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work. Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner. In other words, fair use is a defense against a claim of copyright infringement. If your use qualifies as a fair use, then it would not be considered an illegal infringement.

    So what is a “transformative” use? If this definition seems ambiguous or vague, be aware that millions of dollars in legal fees have been spent attempting to define what qualifies as a fair use. There are no hard-and-fast rules, only general rules and varied court decisions, because the judges and lawmakers who created the fair use exception did not want to limit its definition. Like free speech, they wanted it to have an expansive meaning that could be open to interpretation.

    Most fair use analysis falls into two categories: (1) commentary and criticism, or (2) parody.

    - See more at: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/#sthash.Jpwt2B21.dpuf

    First sentence in 'What is Fair Use?

    "In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work."

    See that word 'limited'? It's there for a reason.

    Try to copy and publicly present Stephen King's book Christine in it's entirety and add a statement that links to a site where you can purchase the book. Because, you know, that's fair use.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
  • KrynKryn Member UncommonPosts: 172
    edited March 2016
    Everything is marketed this way now.  Ever seen all those LED keyboards and mice.   Its a gimmick.  False advertisement is over used on most all products these days.  Not just monitors.
  • CnameCname Member UncommonPosts: 211
    @blueturtle13 - thanks for posting this informative article and others here.

    Most printed newspaper and magazine would just attributed their articles in a byline, which is placed after headline - it can be at the end or before the text of article.

    To me, your link back to article served the same purpose and more.

    Sad-to-see that a few here have Pharisaic view on proper news and article attribution.
    (Last part is a slight jest because of today's occasion which is a significant religious event in the West).

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    edited March 2016
    Cname said:
    @blueturtle13 - thanks for posting this informative article and others here.

    Most printed newspaper and magazine would just attributed their articles in a byline, which is placed after headline - it can be at the end or before the text of article.

    To me, your link back to article served the same purpose and more.

    Sad-to-see that a few here have Pharisaic view on proper news and article attribution.
    (Last part is a slight jest because of today's occasion which is a significant religious event in the West).
    No skin off my nose if blueturtle13 won't seek the knowledge needed to protect himself.
    "I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone.  It's not.  The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone."  Robin Williams
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,351
    blueturtle13 said:
    Cname said:
    @blueturtle13 - thanks for posting this informative article and others here.

    Most printed newspaper and magazine would just attributed their articles in a byline, which is placed after headline - it can be at the end or before the text of article.

    To me, your link back to article served the same purpose and more.

    Sad-to-see that a few here have Pharisaic view on proper news and article attribution.
    (Last part is a slight jest because of today's occasion which is a significant religious event in the West).
    Thank you. I send news to 6 gaming websites including this one. I have for 10 years.
    I also post articles I just find interesting. I do not mean to offend anyone by doing so. I give credit to the author or site. If they are my articles there is no link other wise I link back to the source. Most sites news or otherwise do the same thing with the Associated Press. 
    There's an enormous difference between posting a small fraction of an article together with a link to the original versus posting the entire original article.  For example, it's fair use to copy a couple of paragraphs out of a Harry Potter book and post it with attribution to illustrate some point.  It is not fair use to post the entire book, no matter how you attribute it.  The former may lead more people to buy the book (though this effect would be stronger for far more obscure works), but the latter means more people can read it without needing to buy it.

    The site you take the article from isn't going to complain if the result of your post is sending more traffic their way.  But the way you set up your posts, people get to read the entire article without any need to check the original, and people who read half of the article may not even know where the article came from.

    The Associated Press has a business model of gathering news and writing stories that other sites can reproduce in full if they pay a licensing fee to get permission.  Fair use laws are irrelevant if you have permission of the article owner to post it.  But unless you're getting explicit permission, the AP model is irrelevant to what you're doing.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,351
    As for the content of the article, how would you propose to show, in a still picture, the effects of higher frame rates?  How about the benefit of higher image quality, when the quality of both will be limited by the quality of the user's monitor?  The pictures that the author complains about are obviously a dramatization, and it really couldn't be otherwise.
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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Most of us have been saying this for a long time about monitors - the specs mean nothing, most of them are made up marketing BS, and the only thing that matters is how it looks to  you.
  • Zen00Zen00 Member UncommonPosts: 152
    blueturtle13 said:
    Hrimnir said:

    Waaayy back in the day of CRT monitors, my buddy and I used to joke about this exact topic because monitor companies were moving towards a lot of these ridiculous names, trying to evoke performance in the names.  So we created the idea of the "Maxi-hella Scan" monitor, again as a joke.

    However, I am a firm believer that unless the company willfully withholds information or purposefully gives incorrect information in order to entice a buyer (Ponzi schemes, etc).  Then the onus falls on the consumer's shoulder to properly research anything they buy.

    I am a big purveyor of personal responsibility.  The consumer is ultimately the one that makes the choice to buy a product or not.  If they are unwilling or uninterested in doing the research, or are too trusting of the salesman, that's their problem.

    However, that is also why resources exist to call bullshit on companies claims.  As far as tech there are places like anandtech, tomshardware, etc, where you can get relatively unbiased information as to whether a product performs in the manner the company says it does, or not.

    Agreed. Marketing will always paint a picture of their product being more than it is. It is our job as the consumer to research before we part ways with our money.
    I disagree. Most of the information you can get these days that lets you know if a monitor lives up to its claims comes from "New" internet sources (eg: review websites), something that people back in the days (90's-) wouldn't have had access to, and many older people still don't know how to properly utilize due to not living with the technology. For people who don't know how to properly search and utilize internet resources they are being ripped off by weasel words and inflated statistics being used by marketing places.

    Marketing should paint a true picture with actual terms that are easy to understand, otherwise they might as well put on some face makeup and start clowning around because they're not doing anything useful otherwise.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Zen00 said:

    Marketing should paint a true picture with actual terms that are easy to understand, otherwise they might as well put on some face makeup and start clowning around because they're not doing anything useful otherwise.

    Isn't that what they do now?
  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    blueturtle13 said:Thank you. I send news to 6 gaming websites including this one. I have for 10 years.
    I also post articles I just find interesting. I do not mean to offend anyone by doing so. I give credit to the author or site. If they are my articles there is no link other wise I link back to the source. Most sites news or otherwise do the same thing with the Associated Press. 
    LOL!

    Just stop. I don't give a rats arse what your history is. Just stop posting crap please.

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