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@Deathenger This guy wrote the following and after reading the links I find it very factual and level headed about why this game is taking so long. Basically they keep changing character models so they have to be completely redrawn instead of just tweaked. Which makes me wonder if they are doing the same thing with the rest of the game.
One of the biggest negative things thats been reported over and over about this project is the micromanagement and changes that bring thing to a virtual stand still. Perfect example is this link where David Jennison the former Lead Character Designer tells why he quit Star Citizen.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3lyfb1/david_jennison_former_lead_character_artist_in/
TLDR of that link is they spent more time remaking models than actually finishing them because of serious mismanagement, a hostile working environment and poor choice of team leaders.
The following video posted by SC "Reverse the Verse" last month. In the video the new guy Eric spills the beans and said that "All models are being redone" (character models). After a moment of silence and a look from Jabba-Rex they QUICKLY changed the subject to pants. PANTS!! LOL Fast Forward to 51:50 if the vid doesnt start in the proper time spot
https://youtu.be/zfY_l_UyB1w?t=3111
Pretty much give 100% cred to the post about David Jennisons reasons for quitting the project and the overall working conditions at CIG
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Also its worth noting that the David Jennison write up was 6 months(ish) ago before the video of that Eric guy saying that all models were being redone.
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http://www.pcpowerplay.com.au/news/departing-designer-sheds-dim-light-on-cigs-corporate-culture,409742
Snipit from the above article
""UPDATE: We had incorrectly attributed this letter to Jennison's LinkedIn page, but he contacted us to clear up the matter and confirm it was a leak. We apologise for any confusion.""
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/436814/derek-smarts-new-list-of-demands/p26
The same things (in this case David Jennison's letter) are discussed every few months, with the same arguments and with the same results.
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I know you and others pointed out to me that pretties give other rich people hard-ons to invest their money in a company. That's fine. But no actual gamer backer money should be used to impress suits that are just looking to make a buck off of the game. The players and their best interests should come first.
Let's be honest, they have enough money to make the damn game. They are just taking their time.
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Why would you do that? You just got a pat on the back for actually referencing something useful and then the first argument that contradicts your post, you take to the lowest common denominator. Why?
Anyway, as far as the letter goes, I believe that the biggest complaint was with regards to creative direction. This was back at the time when CR had go/no-go authority. That's not the case any more. CR has already given up that authority.
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True! Yes, I guess he didn't go to the name calling spot. Could have SWORN I read white knight in there somewhere.
Either way, in a thread where we're talking about an intelligent post, it demeans that post slightly when the poster jumps down the throat of the first person who (he thinks) is contradicting his post. In reality it's about as close to the line of admitting any wrong-doing as you might get @Erillion However, instead of maintaining the intelligence, it's "nail with a sledgehammer" mentality.
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Ok watching the video they do admit they are doing all the models over again and not just the characters. I can see valid points by David when he says there's no reason to throw out concepts because the models need a little tweaking. CR basically threw away all the work they did and started over because some of the models didn't look quite the way he wanted them. David showed that this was a bad move because its the models that needed tweaking instead of starting from scratch. Which cost the company 6 months of work just thrown in the trash because CR didn't know they just needed a little polish.
I work with a multi billion dollar company and I can see some of the dumbest stuff that costs the company millions a year; and just saying companies make mistakes and it would be nice if some people could just admit they made a mistake instead of defending everything to the death. Seems to me that CR needs to listen to his experts instead of forcing square pegs into moon shaped holes.
I am very confused as to which is the lie and which lie I should believe.
Freelancer was a game that was massively over budget and well behind its release date. Freelancer started in 97, and was supposed to release in 2000, but when that date arrived CR stated that they were behind and over budget, but it would take another 18 months to finish. Microsoft purchased Digital Anvil and kicked CR to the curb. Microsoft instantly started cutting the scope of the game, and it still took them another 3 years to release, putting the game at 6 years total. So CR lied, or was very incompetent, about how long it would take to finish the game, and that was with his original scope. Just think how long it would have taken if CR was left in charge.
Does any of this sound familiar?
They even went as far as to say that the only thing you should take for granted is what Chris Roberts says, you shouldn't "believe" anyone else from CIG.
Not sure who told you he wasn't the creative force in other games and why you think THE ENTIRE anti-SC crowd is saying THE EXACT same thing.
I don't particularly care.
Obviously he's the creative force behind SC, I don't think anyone disputes that.
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I don't think there are people defending this, are there? I'm not acting ignorant, I'm actually being serious. I think that the David Jennison letter was actually something the promoted some valid concerns. I mean you could make the case that it's probably not the entire truth, but it lies somewhere in the middle (as it usually does).
That being said, I believe this has already been addressed. I'm not a fan of micro-managing at all. While I can understand that CR might want the project to resemble his vision as closely as possible, he should really only be managing it at a high level. They have directors for a reason. So totally agree, he needs to express his vision more clearly to senior management and request updates, not hover. That being said, as mentioned before, I believe this already happened.
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Too many posts to plow through and I can't be bothered to waste my time. Believe me or don't but they are out there.
LOL as soon as I gave up looking I found it: -
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/445787/this-is-what-people-really-believe-theyre-getting-when-they-invest-in-star-citizen#latest
Specifically my post on page 9 that Brenics responded to.
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/445787/this-is-what-people-really-believe-theyre-getting-when-they-invest-in-star-citizen#latest
The same topics, the same people, the same arguments, the same results.
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