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Botters and Gold Farmers Put On Notice

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126
edited March 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageBotters and Gold Farmers Put On Notice

The ArcheAge site has good news for most players, bad news for those who choose to use third-party bots and hacks. A new program has been put into place that has significantly improved the team's ability to detect the use of bots and to subsequently put into play new enforcement rules.

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  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,499
    This is sort of like doing cosmetic surgery on a corpse at this point isnt it?
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,744
    Technically they are saying they will detect more bots this way.
    Maybe that's even true - it doesn't mean more bots will be banned though.
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  • SwampDragonsSwampDragons Member UncommonPosts: 350
    Wonder if its there tech or something from Korea.
    If it is something Trion can update at the leasure it could be good.
  • huntersamhuntersam Member UncommonPosts: 210
    you have to read the thread the comments brought a small to my face , personally i have nothing against archage but its just not my cup of tea
  • LahuzerLahuzer Member UncommonPosts: 782
    edited March 2016
    Good for em. But I would instaban em all. Theres no "Oops, I accidently thriggered this bot program. Sry. My bad"... Peeps that hack etc know what they are doing and don't deserve a warning. This is a rly good game suffered by a bad launch. Things like this is a step in the right direction at least.
  • DirtyDozenDirtyDozen Member RarePosts: 386
    "But fair game play for the legitimate community members always has to be and always will be our top priority"

    If this were true then the cash shop and RNG would be addressed as well.

    I think the core game is great. But it's dead to me.
  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    This game is not a dead fish to me, it's a very enjoyable, mostly relaxing, sometimes frustrating online world. That's not something many games can claim.
  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 603
    Good start. Next, get rid of the pay to win crafting system. Once that's done I'll give it another go.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,097
    Question is if they are Invading "Privacy" like the Koreans do with Game Guard, or XingCode3, are they scanning harddrives for illegal programs installed, or just obtaining a list of running applications on a users computer while the game is running, and what about false positives I do have cheat engine installed but never use it to cheat online games, and those who do use WTFast and get banned for sharing the same IP address with a cheater.

    Too many unanswered questions Trion needs to answer.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,969
    to late
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,499
    From reading the forums it looks like just another half assed attempt and PR move by Trion to try and make them and this abortion of a game look better.

    Looks like a lot of people were insta banned (no warning) because they were running something they used (legitimately) for Fallout 4. Yet I am sure the actual botters and hackers who know how to mask the programs they use are still playing unhindered.

    The ONLY thing that would make this relevant is well if it actually worked, and secondly if they did a complete wipe of the game and basically started fresh. The game economy was destroyed the first week of release and only got worse. So all that stuff is still there and even if they get a few guys they wont get them all and the guys they get will continue to make accounts, because theyre free and move on.

    Not that it really matters anyway because the whole in game economy revolves around real world money transactions, and an RNG system that cant be real.

    Game is good for people for maybe a couple months then it becomes a farmville simulator, because even if they do stop the hacks 100% the 'end game' is still PvP which is 100% pay to win and without spending real world cash you have zero chance of being competitive.
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560

    Scambug said:

    Good start. Next, get rid of the pay to win crafting system. Once that's done I'll give it another go.



    Crafting is not pay2win, it is the regrade system that is pay2win or pay for higher chance. Honestly the regrade system would have been considered good if they were not selling regrade charms and lucky sunpoints in cash shop. Has been suggested many times to put them in game through loot RNG, they could make shit load of money without selling them directly and selling loot drop chance increase pots.

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  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560

    Renoaku said:

    Question is if they are Invading "Privacy" like the Koreans do with Game Guard, or XingCode3, are they scanning harddrives for illegal programs installed, or just obtaining a list of running applications on a users computer while the game is running, and what about false positives I do have cheat engine installed but never use it to cheat online games, and those who do use WTFast and get banned for sharing the same IP address with a cheater.

    Too many unanswered questions Trion needs to answer.



    Those are not being used in Trion version, in fact Trion removed gameguard from AA long time ago because it started to falsely mark people who were using WTFast and other latency improvement software. They accidentally reinstated it for a day or 2 and then removed it again. What they are doing now i think is using server side script to check if the request from client are genuine or some other form of inaccuracy has been added to it, for example if i want to use a program to reveal location of treasure it will send a request to database through client; the new program would see the request and match it with available request that a player client can make to database and find that it is mismatch and it will close the account instantly.

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  • unclemounclemo Member UncommonPosts: 462
    Too little, too late.

    I am actually surprised to see this move by Trion. I would guess that botters and gold farmers are the only ones still playing AA.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,955


    Wonder if its there tech or something from Korea.

    If it is something Trion can update at the leasure it could be good.




    In house tech as Trion dropped gameguard and hackahield and all 3rd party "anti-cheat" programs which are all useless.

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,955

    rodarin said:

    This is sort of like doing cosmetic surgery on a corpse at this point isnt it?



    Log in and you'll see that even on low pop servers there is no 16x16 to claim anywhere
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 6,969
    DMKano said:

    rodarin said:

    This is sort of like doing cosmetic surgery on a corpse at this point isnt it?



    Log in and you'll see that even on low pop servers there is no 16x16 to claim anywhere
    Well thats good to know , thx for the update as we are all now aware that all the land was/and has been snacthed up by gold farmers with land hacks , to sell for outrageous prices... ...  No way i would go back into this game ..
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    Scorchien said:
    DMKano said:

    rodarin said:

    This is sort of like doing cosmetic surgery on a corpse at this point isnt it?



    Log in and you'll see that even on low pop servers there is no 16x16 to claim anywhere
    Well thats good to know , thx for the update as we are all now aware that all the land was/and has been snacthed up by gold farmers with land hacks , to sell for outrageous prices... ...  No way i would go back into this game ..
    Thanks for your "expert" insight in a game you don't even play or don't keep tabs on. /sarcasm

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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,955
    edited March 2016

    Renoaku said:

    Question is if they are Invading "Privacy" like the Koreans do with Game Guard, or XingCode3, are they scanning harddrives for illegal programs installed, or just obtaining a list of running applications on a users computer while the game is running, and what about false positives I do have cheat engine installed but never use it to cheat online games, and those who do use WTFast and get banned for sharing the same IP address with a cheater.

    Too many unanswered questions Trion needs to answer.



    Since Trion can't modify the client or server code for Archeage - cheat monitoring has to be done completely via analytics - as in looking at all player actions and transactions.

    Anyone who has experience with Hadoop or big data analytics knows that this is a beast to take on but with costume code and tools it would be very obvious to spot repeated patterns (bots), and gold being funneled to accounts for sale.

    Post edited by DMKano on
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,867
    Thanks for your "expert" insight in a game you don't even play or don't keep tabs on. /sarcasm
    Well, leaving that gold seller part out, valid point.

    Just because there are no 16x16 to claim does not mean high game population, it only implies supply shortage.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,955
    Scorchien said:
    DMKano said:

    rodarin said:

    This is sort of like doing cosmetic surgery on a corpse at this point isnt it?



    Log in and you'll see that even on low pop servers there is no 16x16 to claim anywhere
    Well thats good to know , thx for the update as we are all now aware that all the land was/and has been snacthed up by gold farmers with land hacks , to sell for outrageous prices... ...  No way i would go back into this game ..

    I am not suggesting you specifically log into the game to claim land.

    Just log and take a look around the housing plots - 
    Those are all patron accounts, cant own land without a sub.

    I am saying that the core playerbase (the ones who stay past the first several months after 80% leave which happens with every game) still play actively.

    The game is far from dead, which is what Rodarin was insinuating. 

    Now a game might be dead for you - that's fine,  it doesn't mean it doesn't have a healthy playerbase. 



  • karmathkarmath Member UncommonPosts: 896
    Eh, a year or two late on that. The worst of it was the land hacking imo, would be interesting to see if they resolved that.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,955
    edited March 2016

    Gdemami said:
    Thanks for your "expert" insight in a game you don't even play or don't keep tabs on. /sarcasm
    Well, leaving that gold seller part out, valid point.

    Just because there are no 16x16 to claim does not mean high game population, it only implies supply shortage.

    There is space for over 5000 16x16 spots per server, and those all need a subscription to own.

    It's means an active playerbase of several thousand per server which is what the game is designed for, and still many don't own any land - I don't for example (my guild shares land).

    Does it have million of players still - no but there are 250k+ still playing which is normal for a niche game like ArcheAge. 


  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,867
    DMKano said:

    There is space for over 5000 16x16 spots per server, and those all need a subscription to own.

    It's means an active playerbase of several thousand per server which is what the game is designed for.

    Does it have million of players still - no but there are 250k+ still playing which is normal for a niche game like ArcheAge. 
    That would only apply if 1 16x16  land = 1 player, which it doesn't.

    Source for that +250k?
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,955

    unclemo said:
    Too little, too late.

    I am actually surprised to see this move by Trion. I would guess that botters and gold farmers are the only ones still playing AA.

    Actually a sign of bots and gold sellers means there are still buyers.

    A sure sign of a dead MMO game is the lack of gold sellers heh.

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