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The character models look and move terribly

ImpsyImpsy Member UncommonPosts: 53
Ew. I hope they clean them up. They look so goofy and weird
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  • JamesGoblinJamesGoblin Member RarePosts: 1,242
    @Impsy While waiting for improved movement (and any other animations) to be implemented in Beta, you can check some of these.







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  • HallowedFallenHallowedFallen Member CommonPosts: 3
    The face textures seem slightly different in quality, they're all good, but seem to be made by multiple hands. The armor in the editor screenshot doesn't seem to match the quality of any of the faces though, a bit lower.
  • Entris38Entris38 Member UncommonPosts: 401
    Just coming out of a true alpha test and into it's first beta, I'm certain there is going to be significant and continual improvements. Remember, they didn't hold an "early access" alpha, it was more of a traditional alpha. I'm guessing we will see soon.
  • JamesGoblinJamesGoblin Member RarePosts: 1,242
    The face textures seem slightly different in quality, they're all good, but seem to be made by multiple hands. The armor in the editor screenshot doesn't seem to match the quality of any of the faces though, a bit lower.
    @HallowedFallen All faces were made couple months ago by Jon, CSE's 3D modeller. Anyway my main idea was to give comparison to rather rough (pre-)Alpha test models, say like this (or you can check the video on the official site):



    What I am actually worried - or better to say curious about - are new animations and combat. Making things look pretty is the easier part.
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  • adam_noxadam_nox Member UncommonPosts: 2,130
    Guess we are back to these old excuses.  Been like ten years since there was serious mmo contenders, and during the betas, they all looked awful and everyone always said the same thing, but when release rolled around nothing had been improved especially not graphics or animations.  You don't do that stuff then redo it and redo it again.  Why would you?
  • JamesGoblinJamesGoblin Member RarePosts: 1,242
    ...except that they are not in Beta.
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  • FranciscourantFranciscourant Member UncommonPosts: 356
    adam_nox said:
    Guess we are back to these old excuses.  Been like ten years since there was serious mmo contenders, and during the betas, they all looked awful and everyone always said the same thing, but when release rolled around nothing had been improved especially not graphics or animations.  You don't do that stuff then redo it and redo it again.  Why would you?
    Yes, that's how it's done generally. The character models and animation used in the early phases of development are meant to help the developers and testers to test the different features. They are often placeholders and have to be replaced later in development.

    Example: in Pre-Alpha, developers are testing the physics and projectiles mechanics. They create placeholder character models (human) and basic animations that will facilitate the testing. Then they are allowing some testers to join the test and need to add some new animations (still placeholders), let's say "getting hit by a fireball while running" so the testers have visual feedback when a projectile lands on their character. Later they add new placeholder characters to represent the different races (dwarves, giants, etc.) and test new stuff. etc. etc. At some point, let's say in Beta 3, everything is ready for the implementation of the real animations and models.

    Camelot Unchained is still in Alpha, a lot of graphic improvements are coming. Making things pretty is usually one of the last steps.
  • LedrirLedrir Member UncommonPosts: 69
    I'm not a fan of the art work I've seen on the male models.  The shoulders seem thin and the waist and hips seem wide.  The body shape kind of reminds me of how some of the giants looked that I killed for exp in DAoC.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 28,964
    adam_nox said:
    Guess we are back to these old excuses.  Been like ten years since there was serious mmo contenders, and during the betas, they all looked awful and everyone always said the same thing, but when release rolled around nothing had been improved especially not graphics or animations.  You don't do that stuff then redo it and redo it again.  Why would you?
    I think it depends what games you are talking about.

    Games that are going to be released "soon" seem to suffer from this. For instance, the Secret World had this issue, especially with the animations.

    But in a game like Camelot Unchained, they are clearly not even in Alpha. Remember that there was a time when Alpha and Beta were actually "Alpha and Beta". And not marketing terms where you get to purchase early access.

    So it helps to put things in perspective.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,968
    I think it's good to give voice to opinion because saying nothing is sometimes interpreted as being acceptable.

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    I remember ESO being horrible at beta but I told everyone it wasn't finished and I would assume this game also isn't finished so full animations aren't in the game until they get bugs worked out.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    adam_nox said:
    Guess we are back to these old excuses.  Been like ten years since there was serious mmo contenders, and during the betas, they all looked awful and everyone always said the same thing, but when release rolled around nothing had been improved especially not graphics or animations.  You don't do that stuff then redo it and redo it again.  Why would you?

    Gameplay > graphics. 
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  • Gaming.Rocks2Gaming.Rocks2 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    Graphics is just a bonus for me when a game has depth. And I'm pretty happy with this one's, it's looks decent enough for an MMO. 
    Animations on the other hand can be a deal breaker for me, kind of like the only reason I stopped playing TSW was that as a Chaos tank all I did was to spin in a horrendous way. I hope CU does that perfect. <3
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  • kumobladekumoblade Member UncommonPosts: 86
    I'm willing to forgive poor quality graphics.  
    I am not willing to forgive Poor quality Animations.  
    That's what really breaks immersion for me.  
    When Animations don't synchronize/and the combat doesn't feel 'visceral' i believe is the word they use for it now a days.  

    The animations of Camelot Unchained Made me cringe. There was no 'weight' behind the animations i've seen.  They all look like they're gliding or ice skating across the ground. 

    And the attack animations I've seen made me sad.  There was no weight or impact. 

    I really hope they fix that, and synchronize the animations with the responses and the damage/numbers/mechanics.
  • FranciscourantFranciscourant Member UncommonPosts: 356
    edited March 2016
    kumoblade said:
    The animations of Camelot Unchained Made me cringe. There was no 'weight' behind the animations i've seen.  They all look like they're gliding or ice skating across the ground. 
    The animations in the videos are placeholders. They're working on the new animation system.
    (t=24s)
  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 603
    This game is all about large scale PvP, 50 trillion polygon models would only lag everyone into the ground.
    If you want kewl graphics go play a solo game like BDO.
  • SpiritofGameSpiritofGame Member UncommonPosts: 1,332
    edited March 2016
    Scambug said:
    This game is all about large scale PvP, 50 trillion polygon models would only lag everyone into the ground.
    If you want kewl graphics go play a solo game like BDO.


    I think there is wisdom in this.  Having played large-scale RVR (those were the days!) graphic and animation quality should be reduced for the benefit of smoother gameplay and higher FPS with less lag (if possible).

    (Update: I just had a look at the brief video at the top of the official website and the animations somewhat remind me of old DAOC with improvements but the terrain looks really amazing for a game that promises very large-scale RVR.  So, I think overall I am satisfied with what I am seeing.)

    (By the way, I will be playing a stealth class because I have learned in PVP games it is far better NOT to be seen until you want to be ... )

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited March 2016
    Impsy said:
    Ew. I hope they clean them up. They look so goofy and weird
    that and peoples reaction like yours is often a sign that this is a good game

    because very high on the list of things that arent very important lies 'character models'

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  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,297
    adam_nox said:
    Guess we are back to these old excuses.  Been like ten years since there was serious mmo contenders, and during the betas, they all looked awful and everyone always said the same thing, but when release rolled around nothing had been improved especially not graphics or animations.  You don't do that stuff then redo it and redo it again.  Why would you?
    They're not in beta. "In beta" isn't an excuse. It's a subjective label developers use to let their users know that the software is in a state of flux and there are aspects they want to expand and polish. It doesn't mean the software is unusable, it also doesn't mean that everything is in a state they want it to be.

    Look at Gmail. Google used, and abused, the beta label for years, but it did stand that the system wasn't in a state they wanted to call finished. Now there is "Inbox" and a very full featured version of the old Gmail UI.

    Redoing stuff over and over in development is called iteration. It's a common and well vetted process. Some things aren't addressed or touched for several iterations because they don't fall in the development priority. The what you see part of development is often something worked on and polished very late in the development cycle.

    This is a good study in why many AAA studios don't show much, or anything, until very late in the dev cycle. It confuses the rabble and they jump to crazy conspiratorial conclusions.
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  • LokeroLokero Member RarePosts: 1,514
    Torval said:
    adam_nox said:
    Guess we are back to these old excuses.  Been like ten years since there was serious mmo contenders, and during the betas, they all looked awful and everyone always said the same thing, but when release rolled around nothing had been improved especially not graphics or animations.  You don't do that stuff then redo it and redo it again.  Why would you?
    This is a good study in why many AAA studios don't show much, or anything, until very late in the dev cycle. It confuses the rabble and they jump to crazy conspiratorial conclusions.
    Yeah, showing such early footage never works out in the studios' favor.  If I were running a big studio, I wouldn't show a bloody thing to the people today.  People get an impression of something and it just sticks with them for life.
    And, with the way the media pounces on every little scrap nowadays, a single bad impression from a very early placeholder can turn away thousands.

    I wonder, if at some point soon, we'll see studios go back to the old ways of not even discussing a project until it's nearly released.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 20,297
    Lokero said:
    Torval said:
    adam_nox said:
    Guess we are back to these old excuses.  Been like ten years since there was serious mmo contenders, and during the betas, they all looked awful and everyone always said the same thing, but when release rolled around nothing had been improved especially not graphics or animations.  You don't do that stuff then redo it and redo it again.  Why would you?
    This is a good study in why many AAA studios don't show much, or anything, until very late in the dev cycle. It confuses the rabble and they jump to crazy conspiratorial conclusions.
    Yeah, showing such early footage never works out in the studios' favor.  If I were running a big studio, I wouldn't show a bloody thing to the people today.  People get an impression of something and it just sticks with them for life.
    And, with the way the media pounces on every little scrap nowadays, a single bad impression from a very early placeholder can turn away thousands.

    I wonder, if at some point soon, we'll see studios go back to the old ways of not even discussing a project until it's nearly released.
    I think it must be hard for larger Indies with veteran developers to pull off a project like this without having to do a bit of pandering to their demographic. On one hand they're making a niche game and I'm sure enjoy connecting with enthusiastic players. On the other hand they almost need to generate that sort of buzz and interest or their project could fall into obscurity so I wonder if they feel pressure to be transparent when it's not always convenient.
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  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,380
    When a game in in Alpha how can you talk about liking/not liking graphics ?
  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,651
    edited March 2016
    i did both DAOC beta testing and shrouded isles beta testing and I can tell you right now if Mark still is doing the same thing as he did back then, you can count on things changing including graphics. Even in shrouded isles beta things constantly changed and they already had the core game up and running. Animations changed spell effects etc. I think most people complaining here have no clue or have not been around long enough to know what a true alpha or beta testing is and not a paid or free demo to try to get more sales before launch.
  • quarzsteinquarzstein Member UncommonPosts: 1
    kumoblade said:
    I'm willing to forgive poor quality graphics.  
    I am not willing to forgive Poor quality Animations.  
    That's what really breaks immersion for me.  
    When Animations don't synchronize/and the combat doesn't feel 'visceral' i believe is the word they use for it now a days.  

    The animations of Camelot Unchained Made me cringe. There was no 'weight' behind the animations i've seen.  They all look like they're gliding or ice skating across the ground. 

    And the attack animations I've seen made me sad.  There was no weight or impact. 

    I really hope they fix that, and synchronize the animations with the responses and the damage/numbers/mechanics.

    Same here. That's one of the reasons I can't get along with Project Gorgon at the moment.

    The game does capture the feeling of an oldschool MMO pretty well and the progression feels interesting, the quests rewarding. The world, while not very pretty, fits the theme of the game pretty well.

    Animations however...I hate them. There is no excuse to have such animations in 2016. Some might argue that this fits the game. I do not. Melee feels like punching air and spells have strange interactions.

    The difference is that project Gorgon is in alpha while Camelot Unchained is not. I really hope they can improve the animations to the point where I do not have to laugh out lout upon seeing them. While the video seems promising, we yet have to see those animations in action, how they fit into the combat system, how the visuals and the sound reflect the action for example.


  • JamesGoblinJamesGoblin Member RarePosts: 1,242
    kumoblade said:
    I'm willing to forgive poor quality graphics.  
    I am not willing to forgive Poor quality Animations.  
    That's what really breaks immersion for me.  
    When Animations don't synchronize/and the combat doesn't feel 'visceral' i believe is the word they use for it now a days.  

    The animations of Camelot Unchained Made me cringe. There was no 'weight' behind the animations i've seen.  They all look like they're gliding or ice skating across the ground. 

    And the attack animations I've seen made me sad.  There was no weight or impact. 

    I really hope they fix that, and synchronize the animations with the responses and the damage/numbers/mechanics.

    Same here. That's one of the reasons I can't get along with Project Gorgon at the moment.

    The game does capture the feeling of an oldschool MMO pretty well and the progression feels interesting, the quests rewarding. The world, while not very pretty, fits the theme of the game pretty well.

    Animations however...I hate them. There is no excuse to have such animations in 2016. Some might argue that this fits the game. I do not. Melee feels like punching air and spells have strange interactions.

    The difference is that project Gorgon is in alpha while Camelot Unchained is not. I really hope they can improve the animations to the point where I do not have to laugh out lout upon seeing them. While the video seems promising, we yet have to see those animations in action, how they fit into the combat system, how the visuals and the sound reflect the action for example.
    @quarzstein @kumoblade You are aware that you saw pre-pre...alpha placeholders, likely from 2013?   Also, @quarzstein Camelot Unchained is in alpha - while, again, it's animations (I have these available to public in mind) are not even there.
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