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Darkfall: Rise of Agon Awarded Licensing for Development - MMORPG.com News

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edited March 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageDarkfall: Rise of Agon Awarded Licensing for Development - MMORPG.com News

Big Picture Games has entered into an agreement with Aventurine Studios to continue development on its version of Darkfall: Rise of Agon. Alpha testing is expected to begin in Q1 2016.

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  • ChlerubChlerub Member UncommonPosts: 21
    You can already smell the burning piles of money.
  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member RarePosts: 654
    Scambug said:
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
    dude..

    they are relaunching the 2012 version of dfo.. which is a working version of dfo

    They call it alpha because they wanne add content to the game ( the new content )
  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    Scambug said:
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
    If  its a scam then people need to stop buying it right?? and wait for the game to release... Better yet they can wait for AAA companies to make clones, so people can whine about that...I mean, to make these games cost millions and investors wont invest unless its a WOW clone and MMORPG's  most  investors wont bother....I should know I been in the gaming industry as a developer for over a decade AAA and indie...and have a degree, I was a gamer for 35 years... So its funny how gamers think everything is a scam...I see both sides now, and its not always a scam so get real..... You see one side...So do not buy??? its that simple if you feel it's a scam.... Funny how gamers want everything for free....Making a game cost money and is a real job....We actually work really hard, so please get a clue and get into the field, and maybe your eyes will open up to reality , rather than fantasy!!
  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    Good news. I'm liking their roadmap better than new dawn.
  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605
    edited March 2016
    Scambug said:
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
    If  its a scam then people need to stop buying it right?? and wait for the game to release... Better yet they can wait for AAA companies to make clones, so people can whine about that...I mean, to make these games cost millions and investors wont invest unless its a WOW clone and MMORPG's  most  investors wont bother....I should know I been in the gaming industry as a developer for over a decade AAA and indie...and have a degree, I was a gamer for 35 years... So its funny how gamers think everything is a scam...I see both sides now, and its not always a scam so get real..... You see one side...So do not buy??? its that simple if you feel it's a scam.... Funny how gamers want everything for free....Making a game cost money and is a real job....We actually work really hard, so please get a clue and get into the field, and maybe your eyes will open up to reality , rather than fantasy!!
    What are you talking about ? They're tweaking a game that is already fully developed. The costs are minimal compared to developing a game from scratch.

    Secondly, this trend of charging for alpha testing is very new. For 15 years prior to that, MMOs were being developed without charging for alpha/beta. So tell me, what has magically happened since then that makes it mandatory now to charge for alpha/beta? Increased development costs? Investors only interested in WoW clones? Ok that might be true for games developed from scratch but again,  not for Darkfall.

    What's going on here IMO is these people are surfing the payed alpha wave in hopes that nobody will realize there's absolutely no justification for it in this particular case.
    Post edited by Gitmix on
  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,802
    3 times is a charm...
    Harbinger of Fools
  • mirimkomirimko Member UncommonPosts: 13
    good news :)
  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member RarePosts: 654
    Scambug said:
    Scambug said:
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
    If  its a scam then people need to stop buying it right?? and wait for the game to release... Better yet they can wait for AAA companies to make clones, so people can whine about that...I mean, to make these games cost millions and investors wont invest unless its a WOW clone and MMORPG's  most  investors wont bother....I should know I been in the gaming industry as a developer for over a decade AAA and indie...and have a degree, I was a gamer for 35 years... So its funny how gamers think everything is a scam...I see both sides now, and its not always a scam so get real..... You see one side...So do not buy??? its that simple if you feel it's a scam.... Funny how gamers want everything for free....Making a game cost money and is a real job....We actually work really hard, so please get a clue and get into the field, and maybe your eyes will open up to reality , rather than fantasy!!
    What are you talking about ? They're tweaking a game that is already fully developed. The costs are minimal compared to developing a game from scratch.

    Secondly, this trend of charging for alpha testing is very new. For 15 years prior to that, MMOs were being developed without charging for alpha/beta. So tell me, what has magically happened since then that makes it mandatory now to charge for alpha/beta? Increased development costs? Ok that might be true for games developed from scratch, again, but not for Darkfall.

    What's going on here IMO is these people are surfing the payed alpha wave in hopes that nobody will realize there's absolutely no justification for it in this particular case.
    do you have any idea how the project is operating? your making no sense @ all m8

    Welcome to mmorpg.com. were facts are really rare and speculation helds the upper hand


  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Scambug said:
    ..l.

    What's going on here IMO is these people are surfing the payed alpha wave in hopes that nobody will realize there's absolutely no justification for it in this particular case.
    "There's a sucker born every minute"
    "Never leave money on the table"

    Paid alpha and beta access exists for one good reason: people are obviously willing to pay for it. Why give something away for free if you could sell it and make money ?
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Scambug said:
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
    Yep you really are wide of the mark on this - as you have probably realised from the above posts.

    However I suggest you are also wide of the mark for a couple of other reasons as well.

    1. When Darkfall - the original - first launched one of the biggest technical issue it had was its payment system. Adventurine had contracted it out to third party "specialists" who had messed up resulting in "issues". Adventurine took over themselves, implemented a new system that worked etc. but it was an issue. Moral: companies need to be concerned about every aspect of their games.

    2. When Darkfall - again the original - first launched the biggest problem they had was money; Adventurine didn't have any. They were a tiny, tiny company and they couldn't afford lots of servers. And in the run up to launch there were 250k or 500k people or whatever all wanting to log on and try the game.

    One of the big issues at the time were games launching and people being in loggin queues: your estimated loggin time is 24 - and worse - messages. Funcom did a solid job with AoC arranging for additional capacity in advance - and warning investors that if they brought it on line and subsequently closed the servers they would take a $1.5M (or was it $5M) profit hit. They ended up taking the hit but people could log in. EA did an excellent job with SWTOR launching with 200 servers and quickly bringing on line an extra 40. 

    AS I said Adventurine were tiny. 18 people was it at the time was it; small anyway. With an unknown product - so no hope of a big bank loan! Not only that a full loot PvP niche mmo - which most people wouldn't play as soon as what that meant hit home. Interested - sure; but once the reality struck they would be gone. 

    They decided in the end they could afford 1 server - initial capacity 10k (subsequently increased) I think (although the loggin server wasn't able to handle that on day 1). As menetioned the norm at the time was to sell lots of copies and let people sit in queues. What Adventurine did was limit sales. So people who bought the game could play. Of course that meant that lots of people couldn't buy the game and duly posted that Adventurine sucked etc. That was better than the alternative though imo. And that philosophy has continued. Moral: one thing Adventurine havent't engaged in it is scams. (Which, coupled with their small size, has made it hard in so many ways over the years.)
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Sad face in some ways! Darkfall hit the top of the hype meter - we had a post complaining about manipulation. They were duly corrected and told how the meter worled. But it obviously resulted in a few people (less than 10) giving the game probbaly a 1.

    The sad thing is that this is simply a "re-launch". Not a game that has been on the list for years and years. And it will benefit from some hype and publicity. We need solid games. 
  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605
    Scambug said:
    Scambug said:
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
    If  its a scam then people need to stop buying it right?? and wait for the game to release... Better yet they can wait for AAA companies to make clones, so people can whine about that...I mean, to make these games cost millions and investors wont invest unless its a WOW clone and MMORPG's  most  investors wont bother....I should know I been in the gaming industry as a developer for over a decade AAA and indie...and have a degree, I was a gamer for 35 years... So its funny how gamers think everything is a scam...I see both sides now, and its not always a scam so get real..... You see one side...So do not buy??? its that simple if you feel it's a scam.... Funny how gamers want everything for free....Making a game cost money and is a real job....We actually work really hard, so please get a clue and get into the field, and maybe your eyes will open up to reality , rather than fantasy!!
    What are you talking about ? They're tweaking a game that is already fully developed. The costs are minimal compared to developing a game from scratch.

    Secondly, this trend of charging for alpha testing is very new. For 15 years prior to that, MMOs were being developed without charging for alpha/beta. So tell me, what has magically happened since then that makes it mandatory now to charge for alpha/beta? Increased development costs? Ok that might be true for games developed from scratch, again, but not for Darkfall.

    What's going on here IMO is these people are surfing the payed alpha wave in hopes that nobody will realize there's absolutely no justification for it in this particular case.
    do you have any idea how the project is operating? your making no sense @ all m8

    Welcome to mmorpg.com. were facts are really rare and speculation helds the upper hand


    I'm making perfect sense. Why would they be setting up their payment system before alpha if it wasn't to sell founder packs and early access? It's hardly a stretch.
    Anyways, I don't mean to troll this thread. If DF is getting some new life injected into it, it's a good thing, I liked that game.
    I'm just saying that in most cases, there's absolutely no justification for asking for money before a game is released. Unless we're talking about an indie studio developing a game from scratch (ie Albion Online, Camelot Unchained etc...), then yes it does make sense and I gladly contribute if I'm interested in the game.
  • IkisisIkisis Member UncommonPosts: 443
    edited March 2016
    Point blank, Darkfall is the only game on the market worth spending a penny on.
    Nothing on the market is different but Darkfall.
    Archage, Black Desert, Blade and Soul, Tera, Ect are just WoW with a altered targetting hub (Not really twitch) when you remove that "UI Effect/Graphic" you have just another WoW clone, Everything outside of that box are just direct WoW clones with no alteration.

    Bottom line Id rather dump cash into a maybe seeing as its the only unique game on the market (in the near future) so id rather "waste" money on a product i will enjoy that is different and cutting edge, rather then shoveling more cash to these games that are just blatant copys of WoW with no backbone, longevity, Inspiration, or soul at all.


  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member RarePosts: 654
    Scambug said:
    Scambug said:
    Scambug said:
    Nice. Their game isn't even in alpha and all they're concerned about is getting their payment system up and running. Very promising indeed...
    So I guess we can expect payed alpha/beta, founder packs etc...the usual 2 bit scams.
    Good luck with that.
    If  its a scam then people need to stop buying it right?? and wait for the game to release... Better yet they can wait for AAA companies to make clones, so people can whine about that...I mean, to make these games cost millions and investors wont invest unless its a WOW clone and MMORPG's  most  investors wont bother....I should know I been in the gaming industry as a developer for over a decade AAA and indie...and have a degree, I was a gamer for 35 years... So its funny how gamers think everything is a scam...I see both sides now, and its not always a scam so get real..... You see one side...So do not buy??? its that simple if you feel it's a scam.... Funny how gamers want everything for free....Making a game cost money and is a real job....We actually work really hard, so please get a clue and get into the field, and maybe your eyes will open up to reality , rather than fantasy!!
    What are you talking about ? They're tweaking a game that is already fully developed. The costs are minimal compared to developing a game from scratch.

    Secondly, this trend of charging for alpha testing is very new. For 15 years prior to that, MMOs were being developed without charging for alpha/beta. So tell me, what has magically happened since then that makes it mandatory now to charge for alpha/beta? Increased development costs? Ok that might be true for games developed from scratch, again, but not for Darkfall.

    What's going on here IMO is these people are surfing the payed alpha wave in hopes that nobody will realize there's absolutely no justification for it in this particular case.
    do you have any idea how the project is operating? your making no sense @ all m8

    Welcome to mmorpg.com. were facts are really rare and speculation helds the upper hand


    I'm making perfect sense. Why would they be setting up their payment system before alpha if it wasn't to sell founder packs and early access? It's hardly a stretch.
    Anyways, I don't mean to troll this thread. If DF is getting some new life injected into it, it's a good thing, I liked that game.
    I'm just saying that in most cases, there's absolutely no justification for asking for money before a game is released. Unless we're talking about an indie studio developing a game from scratch (ie Albion Online, Camelot Unchained etc...), then yes it does make sense and I gladly contribute if I'm interested in the game.
    dude the alpha of roa is complete free

    so no your not making any sense yet again..

    Do some research first
  • XarkoXarko Member EpicPosts: 1,180
    At some point people gotta learn right? Riiiiiight?
  • ThomasBPGThomasBPG Member UncommonPosts: 86
    edited January 2017
    Im stoked to play time to run around izkand again and murder folks... ya ROA alpha is f2p. 

    Post edited by ThomasBPG on
  • IkisisIkisis Member UncommonPosts: 443
    Lynxeyed said:
    Im stoked to play time to run around izkand again and murder folks... ya ROA alpha is f2p. Servers do cost money though so im sure there will be some kind of pre ordering options. 

    Id rather pay for a Alpha of a game i know is amazing and really the only game that i ever played for more then a year, then to dumb $60 and a $15 sub to anything else would just be a waste of money every game i play i just wish i was playing Darkfall anyways.


  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985
    edited March 2016
    Congrats BPG! 

    Time to dust off and do a little maintenance on my old DF rig that hasn't even been booted up since I last logged off of the game. Can't fucking wait!


    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • IkisisIkisis Member UncommonPosts: 443
    Cecropia said:
    Congrats BPG! 

    Time to dust off and do a little maintenance on my old DF rig that hasn't even been booted up since I last logged off of the game. Can't fucking wait!


    Im thinking i may build a new rig for the rerelease, gonna test out my current rig with Alpha but if i feel any sluggish game play im dropping $2000 on a new custom PC build.


  • GebenGeben Member UncommonPosts: 1
    I need this game.
  • ZergmanZergman Member UncommonPosts: 41
    Lets get this thing listed on the games list?
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Very niche game,i am sure the license is performanced based.
    Even the original by Aventurine was a near completed game,imo they likely did VERY little to the game after acquiring it because aside from a generated world i saw VERY little in the game as far as content and assets go.

    Will have to wait and see what this new team will do with the game,i am guessing not much.Everyone sees an easy way into the gaming market by acquiring a game the way Aventurine did.Bandwidth costs are small,if team is small,overhead is small,similar to CU they need very few players to make a living off this.

    Would be nice to see if it is much more than the original but i would not hold my breathe assuming so.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • IkisisIkisis Member UncommonPosts: 443
    Zergman said:
    Lets get this thing listed on the games list?
    Send them a email in the Contact us link bottom right hand side of the page.
    I sent one the more we request i guess the faster they will build it, Hopefully they attach a forum to it also.


  • GitmixGitmix Member UncommonPosts: 605
    Scambug said:
    ..l.

    What's going on here IMO is these people are surfing the payed alpha wave in hopes that nobody will realize there's absolutely no justification for it in this particular case.
    "There's a sucker born every minute"
    "Never leave money on the table"

    Paid alpha and beta access exists for one good reason: people are obviously willing to pay for it. Why give something away for free if you could sell it and make money ?
    It seems we don't have the same notion of what an alpha test is. When a studio grants me access to an alpha, they're not giving me anything. I'M GIVING THEM MY TIME TO TEST THEIR GAME. If anything I should be paid...
    But you're right, since most gamers are clueless apathetic tools that don't even realize they're getting shafted, why not take advantage of it?

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