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  • HivesHives Member UncommonPosts: 203
    I tried it and it's better than i thought it would be but between the AI being stupid easy and it looks like it's heading the Archeage way, it's not for me. I think people will enjoy it for pvp and for what it is.......... So enjoy!. Nothing gained or lost it was beta.
  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,380
    URMAKER said:
    i enjoyed it and will be playing. my only real gripe is with the cash shop...i wont complain about the prices of the costumes just the fact that i think if you purchase one it should be "unlocked" for all your characters not just the one you purchased it for.

    it is there isnt anything character bound, just put it in the bank and take it out with another char

  • josko9josko9 Member RarePosts: 577
    edited February 2016

    laserit said:

    What they need to do with this game's business model. Is to offer a sub and a reason to sub. Take a lesson from ESO in this regard.

     



    BDO will go F2P in less than 6 months, there is just too much they'd have to improve/add to give players a reason to sub. The game is just not good enough to be B2P, let alone Hybrid B2P/P2P like ESO.
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    Gdemami said:
    laserit said:
    Example:

    You're dumb for spending 40k on a motorcycle. You should spend more on your attire.
    So how come you are not capable to recognize "that's ridiculous to spent $30 on pixel pants" as criticism?

    Actually you should go back and re-read, because you're really starting to drift from the starting point.

    Also if you're going to quote, quote accurately.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,687
    laserit said:
    Actually you should go back and re-read, because you're really starting to drift from the starting point.

    Also if you're going to quote, quote accurately.
    Nope, nothing was left out. All that matters is quoted, you did not answer tho...
  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,211
    josko9 said:

    laserit said:

    What they need to do with this game's business model. Is to offer a sub and a reason to sub. Take a lesson from ESO in this regard.

     



    BDO will go F2P in less than 6 months, there is just too much they'd have to improve/add to give players a reason to sub. The game is just not good enough to be B2P, let alone Hybrid B2P/P2P like ESO.
    I think they could improve PvE difficulty as well as make the game a bit more understandable to a newbie.  However, I don't think those two items make the game really as bad as you're making it out to be.  I have a sneaking suspicion you haven't looked into the game at all as you list no reasons for your dramatic response.  I wouldn't list ESO as a shining example of innovation...
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 8,839
    It's OK. Reminds me to much of L2.

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    edited February 2016

    Gdemami said:
    So how come you are not capable to recognize "that's ridiculous to spent $30 on pixel pants" as criticism?



    Gdemami said:
    laserit said:
    Actually you should go back and re-read, because you're really starting to drift from the starting point.

    Also if you're going to quote, quote accurately.
    Nope, nothing was left out. All that matters is quoted, you did not answer tho...

    This is what you  misquoted:

    laserit said:

    I think spending $30 on a pair of pixel pants is ridiculous because I spend about the same on my real life pants.
    And it's what you call an opinion.


     
    You need to work on your quoting skills because they suck. 

    Now that is a criticism.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,687
    laserit said:
    Gdemami said:
    laserit said:
    Actually you should go back and re-read, because you're really starting to drift from the starting point.

    Also if you're going to quote, quote accurately.
    Nope, nothing was left out. All that matters is quoted, you did not answer tho...

    This is what you  misquoted:

    laserit said:

    I think spending $30 on a pair of pixel pants is ridiculous because I spend about the same on my real life pants.
    And it's what you called an opinion.


     
    You need to work on your quoting skills because they suck. 

    Now that is a criticism.
    Mind boggling... I do not think you even know what you are talking about...it's just words.
  • TorvalTorval Member LegendaryPosts: 19,669
    Mardukk said:
    josko9 said:
    laserit said:
    What they need to do with this game's business model. Is to offer a sub and a reason to sub. Take a lesson from ESO in this regard.
    BDO will go F2P in less than 6 months, there is just too much they'd have to improve/add to give players a reason to sub. The game is just not good enough to be B2P, let alone Hybrid B2P/P2P like ESO.
    I think they could improve PvE difficulty as well as make the game a bit more understandable to a newbie.  However, I don't think those two items make the game really as bad as you're making it out to be.  I have a sneaking suspicion you haven't looked into the game at all as you list no reasons for your dramatic response.  I wouldn't list ESO as a shining example of innovation...
    I think ESO has done a few innovative things, but from the perspective of gameplay they're entirely different.

    However, from a business/revenue model standpoint I agree with @laserit. ESO is B2P done right. There are some things in the cash shop that make life faster or easier and there are some exclusive mounts and pets. However, all the faster/convenient stuff is found in the game and still requires game play to make work.

    For example you can buy items to allow a crafter to choose the appearance of crafted armour. You can find them in game but some are very rare. The rare items are expensive in the cash shop and even if you buy them require the crafter to have leveled that crafting trait to make it useful.

    Most of the stuff in game is opened through in game gold. Some of that stuff like storage, horse traits, or respecs are also sold in the store. But if you buy the game (and xpacs) you don't have to spend anything in the store to play the entire game. If you subscribe you get good buffs to gold/xp and also unlock access to all content while subscribed.

    This is how I see the ESO payment model as a much better system than BDOs.
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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    Gdemami said:
    Mind boggling... I do not think you even know what you are talking about...it's just words.
    Na:

     Mind boggling is trying to use this editor especially when you're trying to quote from multiple pages

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 11,687
    edited February 2016
    laserit said:
    Na:

     Mind boggling is trying to use this editor especially when you're trying to quote from multiple pages
    Not really, editor is easy to handle. Pity you can't keep track of your own words with the same ease...
  • DirgeZombieDirgeZombie Member UncommonPosts: 5
    Love the game, it far exceeded my expectations. I'll be playing it for a while. The game engine absolutely blows me away. I have a mid level gaming PC and I'm running the game maxed at 60fps. When running into areas packed with people I barely drop any frames. Couple this with no loading screens ever, once you're logged into the game. It's an absolute masterpiece as far as I'm concerned.

    B2P is always a worry when you have a game with a cash shop. There is nothing in there that gives any significant edge. The pricing honestly doesn't seem that far off to me either, when compared to other games out there. You don't need to buy anything from the cash shop in order to enjoy the game to its fullest. Most of the people complaining about it are doing so out of speculation on dreamt up scenarios.

    Crafting is much deeper than anything I've played since SWG. Combat is insanely fun and engaging. End game doesn't consist of running the same dungeon over and over just to get to the next dungeon. Looking forward to lots of open world PvP once I hit end game.
  • WightyWighty Member UncommonPosts: 699
    Well from what I played it seemed like a very decent sandpark/themebox... A lot of pretty complex systems and options.
    A game that you can play your own way which is nice.

    Will the hardcore themeparkers like it? No... Without raids and constant power creep the game will not appeal past the initial questing phase.

    Will the hardcaor sandboxers like it? Ehh maybe not the hardcore hardcore, but given the option to explore grind, farm etc, and not be on quest rails it may appeal to the lesser hardcore.

    The game seems to me to sit right in the middle.

    As far as the cash shop goes, I agree there is nothing worse then a game having a insanely priced cash shop but in truth with my sales background it was better for them to price high then react to the market then to suddenly raise prices if there was too much sell through. That is sales 101.

    I just hope in the very least it is reasonable.

    What are your other Hobbies?

    Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    Gdemami said:
    laserit said:
    Na:

     Mind boggling is trying to use this editor especially when you're trying to quote from multiple pages
    Not really, editor is easy to handle. Pity you can't keep track of your own words with the same ease...
    Funny coming from someone who can't even manage a quote.

    /ignored

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  • RhoklawRhoklaw Member EpicPosts: 6,553
    Ok, first off, B2P will always trump F2P and I won't even listen to F2P fanatics and their reasoning or rather excuses for why they think F2P is better, because it's not.

    Cash shops suck 99% of the time and that I won't argue against that logic. Yes, there are advantages to some of the items in the BDO cash shop. Now, everyone knows I loved ArcheAge and stopped playing because of their P2W cash shop among other things ( rampant cheating at launch ) and never went back, despite the game being perfect to me. If BDO pulls the same crap with their cash shop, I won't even hesitate to leave the game. Right now, BDO cash shop is far from P2W, but more or less P2Level. However, during CBT2, I managed to casually get 2 toons to 20 in no time at all. I saw people reach 40+ within the first day. So if you think getting to 50+ is going to take a long time, it's not. NA/EU version has group XP bonuses and people will definitely reach 50+ in the first couple of days. Thus all these XP bonuses in the cash shop are pretty much pointless buffs. As for inventory and character slots, while it's annoying, it's a means to make money and I really don't have a problem with it.

    BDO is a Sandpark, not entirely a Sandbox. It has a main story and it has tons of quests. It has an open world with very very little instancing if any at all ( Crimson Battlefield ). BDO is seriously packing some PvE features at launch. Exploration, Gathering, Crafting, Mob Grinding, World Bosses, Fishing, Farming, Horse Taming, Sailing, Trade Packs / Trading, NPC Bandits, Node Network, NPC Amity / Knowledge, Mob Grades ( How well you kill mobs / What loot drops ) and probably some other stuff I'm missing.

    BDO is definitely PvP end game and there is a reason for this and WoW is a great example of why Themepark dungeon grinding is becoming less of a focus. While I love PvE, I can't stand grinding the same dungeons over and over. Yes, BDO is about mob grinding to level, but you can go anywhere and fight any mobs. However, BDO will give players reason's to enter guild warfare and siege enemy fortresses. The exact same reason why Eve Online maintains it's player base. The ongoing conflict for resources and grinding spots. Now I said guild warfare, not ganking and griefing. Yes, people will still be asshats in BDO, but the game will definitely not be promoting that behavior. Grinding back Karma won't be quick and easy so gankers and griefers may find it a lot less interesting or beneficial.

    BDO gets 9/10 from me from CBT2 because it fits my personal interests in an MMO. While playing CBT2, I haven't felt this excited since I first started playing EQ back in 1999. Yes, it's that good in my opinion.


  • breygonbreygon Member UncommonPosts: 8
    They apparently broke something with CBT2. Some players that I know could get in just fine with CBT1 but are unable to connect with CBT2. There also seems to be a number of folks, myself included, who have invites for CBT2 who can't connect either. Patch over the weekend didn't help, insuring that certain ports were open on my router didn't work, so I am on the outside looking in.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 2,411

    Gdemami said:



    The only thing that has bothered me thus far is the REDICULOUS shop prices, I mean over $30 for a costume? Jeesh... 


    Would you mind explaining how $30 is ridiculous? I truly do not understand that concept.

    Did you actually mean it is too expensive for you?



    I'm just going to assume you made this comment in good faith and reply in the same manner... So, yes $30 is more than I have ever paid for a costume in a video game. No, it isn't that I can afford it, I have a disposable income but I don't ever want to feel like I've been taken advantage of.

    Daum is walking a fine line here... the costumes are multi pieced so you can mix an match costume pieces (if you don't mind spending $100 on 3 costumes) and that does imo raise the value of a costume. Games like ESO charge as much as $25 for a single costume which is only a skin... so $30 isn't that big of a stretch for BDO's costumes.

    Hope that clarified my remark.


    This is not directed at either of you, but on the theme of "ridiculous" and the cash shop, I found it amusing reading a poster on the BDO forums complaining about how overpriced BDO was and in the same breath saying that they had spent $4k on Star Citizen because "the developers deserve it". Perspective, eh?

    Btw, I believe the costumes in the cash shop were US$22, and the US$32 pack includes a weapon skin for both weapons as well. So its $22 for the armor skins and $10 for the (2) weapon skins.
    ....
  • AoriAori Member EpicPosts: 4,160
    I had fun the couple hours I played the beta, I put the game down to save it for release. I think it will scratch the itch I've had for quite some time now.
  • Righteous_RockRighteous_Rock Member RarePosts: 1,234
    I didn't think the prices were high enough, really tired of playing with all these poor folks that won't get a job, have no ambition, and have no intellectual offerings. My request is that all prices in the shop are doubled if not tripled to weed out the riff raff underachievers. At least give us a true pay to win server so the real players have a place to go.
  • TheOctagonTheOctagon Member UncommonPosts: 405
    edited February 2016
    After weighing all the pro's and con's I'll wait the 6 months and play it as a filler when they go BACK to their FTP model. Because IMO that's about how long it will be until people get bored with it. It offers pretty graphics, but nothing really new in skills and combat. Just a rehash of the same old MMO with more attractive effects.

    Will you grind, grind, grind and then grind some more? Then it's just the same sh*t, different day. Nothing original about that.
  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 991
    Think it's a great game, what I've notice from the few that don't like it is they seem to be trying to play the game like WoW or other themepark MMOs. I say this because I tried to play it like this on the RU version and I thought it was crap. Tried again on the EU beta, but read guides before hand and realised I had approached the game horribly wrong.

    The game isn't straight forward, if your a person who likes learning something different, sitting back and taking their time, think you would enjoy it, but if your looking for WoW style, go here, get quests, do, come back, profit, then I wouldn't bother because, from what I tested, most of the game follows the not very straight forward path.

    With regards to the cash shop, while the prices are high, doesn't really bother me as nothing on there will affect my gameplay be it PvP or PvE, but It might hold people back which could hurt. Overall It's nothing that big imho
  • RinnaRinna Member UncommonPosts: 389
    I enjoyed the weekend. I think I'll play this game much like I played SWG - I won't guild, I'll craft and play the trade market and the AH for as long as it holds my interest. If open world pvp gets penalties removed and the game becomes a gankfest like Archeage, then I likely will only play until the ganking strums my last nerve and then I'll go back to my carebear sub games.
    The community this last 'free' beta weekend was atrocious. Anytime you have PvP and free... the bottom of the human cesspool starts floating to the top.

    No bitchers.

  • RinnaRinna Member UncommonPosts: 389

    Gdemami said:



    The only thing that has bothered me thus far is the REDICULOUS shop prices, I mean over $30 for a costume? Jeesh... 


    Would you mind explaining how $30 is ridiculous? I truly do not understand that concept.

    Did you actually mean it is too expensive for you?



    Most long time MMO players are used to either: sub, everything included. Buy to play, small, cosmetic, fairly priced cash shop - most things are under $10 bucks (RIFT, GW2). Free to play, large expensive cash shop to offset the 'free' - (Neverwinter). Archeage and SWTOR are B2P PLUS a sub, PLUS an overpriced cash shop lol. Now BDO is B2P plus an overpriced cash shop.

    I'd rather just pay a sub and have a decently priced cash shop. So $32 dollars for one costume is outside the "NORM" for most popular MMO's in the west. Hope this clarifies it for you.

    No bitchers.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,641
    edited February 2016

    khameleon said:

    Theres a small percentage of people that complain a lot, and 500,000+ players enjoying the game. How is that a divided community? I played and the vast majority were in love with the game and having fun. I also watched streamers all of them loved the game and the viewers as well. Only a handful of complainers.



    The complainers are LOUD in any games forums, go check hearthstone, Heroes of the storm, LOL, DOTA2 and other games forums liek those that are some of the most played games int he world with great income and success. If you read the top 50 threads in any of those forums, you would think the games are horrible and dying. Only 1% of players even visit a games forums.



    Just because many people who play games don't post on forums doesn't mean they don't have the same praises or complaints that forum posters do. There are more than enough forum posters to gain a good idea of the approval or discontent of the game's audience. Forums are the very embodiment of statistical polling. There are always margins of error, but still very indicative of the general consensus.


    By the way, I'm sick and tired of F2P and B2P as both are designed with cash shops in mind, which greatly affects how the game plays. I'm waiting for Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen, not only for its more traditional design, but it will be subscription based. No nickel and diming and no pay walls and no pop ups and roadblocks to ruin immersion.

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