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SvarcanumSvarcanum Member UncommonPosts: 425
in Black Desert Online
Just to weigh up all the negativity here on the mmorpg.com forums, I would like to announce that I decided to pre order the game after this free beta. I went with the 100euro package, even though I've almost never before chosen to pay more than the bare minimum. Apart from the costume situation BDO has soo many things I like, thus I applied my nose and paid through it. May this game not go the route of Vanguard! Take my monies!!
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  • n3v3rriv3rn3v3rriv3r Member UncommonPosts: 496
    I think this should be top news on every gaming site. Well done sir! The world is a better place now.
  • AvanahAvanah Member RarePosts: 1,615
    /comfort

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  • theNILVtheNILV Member UncommonPosts: 49
    DAUM is very thankful for your support :)
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  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    i find it very .... interesting.

    can you tell me a bit more about you ?

    1-since how long do you play the mmorpg genre ? what the others game you played ?
    2- how long did you play black desert beta or the game in the others version before decide it worth it?
    3- do you know the current state of the cash shop in the others place , ex KR ? RU ? 
    4- how are you feeling about the cash shop in black desert versus others game like archeage ?
    5- how much you usualy spend in your ''f2p'' when you decide to play them ?
    6- do you have a addiction problem ? do you buy on ''impulse'' ?
    7- why you think this game will last more that 1-2 month ?
    8- do you know alot about the game ? looking into fact ? for exemple the end game ? the pvp ? 
    9- what your stance on P2Win ? with black desert ? that p2win ? totaly fair ? 

    thx for reply, your help will help us understand what happening
  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    This is why the negative forums are also good for the game. 
  • SvarcanumSvarcanum Member UncommonPosts: 425
    edited February 2016
    1-since how long do you play the mmorpg genre ? what the others game you played ?
    I've played MMOs since the days of MUDs. Started in 1994. I've played pretty much every AAA game to come out since EQ. Made sure to cap in almost all of them.

    2- how long did you play black desert beta or the game in the others version before decide it worth it?
    20h

    3- do you know the current state of the cash shop in the others place , ex KR ? RU ? 
    Yes.

    4- how are you feeling about the cash shop in black desert versus others game like archeage ?
    Much better cash shop than AA, worse than, say, GW2

    5- how much you usualy spend in your ''f2p'' when you decide to play them ?
    Games I just get to cap in I usually spend zero in. BnS most recently I actually paid 5euro.

    6- do you have a addiction problem ? do you buy on ''impulse'' ?
    Haha, no. I hardly ever buy in cash shops. I've only made substantial purchases in Hearthstone and GW2 (maybe 80euro in HS and maybe 70euro in GW2, both of these though I've played seriously, getting Legend rank 280 in HS and have a Legendary in GW2)

    7- why you think this game will last more that 1-2 month ?
    Since it's more than just a rush to endgame. The sandbox elements are what draw me in. Doesn't hurt that the grinding is glorious!

    8- do you know alot about the game ? looking into fact ? for exemple the end game ? the pvp ? 
    I think I know all there is to know, yes. That said, I'm hoping for the Desert-addition that KR got recently, that's kind of important for longevity.

    9- what your stance on P2Win ? with black desert ? that p2win ? totaly fair ? 
    I hate p2w, I hate cash shops. But it's a brave new world, we can't seem to avoid them. Subscription is my favored pay method.
  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558

    I ve played worse games, not many but a couple.

  • d_20d_20 Member RarePosts: 1,878
    edited February 2016
    @Svarcanum Why do you find the grinding glorious? Could you say more about it?

    I like to grind in some games. For me, enjoyable grind is relaxing. For example, after a long day of work, if I don't feel like grouping up with people and socializing, I can just go kill stuff, explore, harvest and feel like I'm making some progress. The combat should be fun and fluid. Good examples for me were WoW back in the day, ESO is fun just killing stuff and I get xp for champion points, games where the combat is pretty (if it's tab targeting I like the shiny colors and effects, I admit)or action oriented and fun, like ESO where I can block, dodge, etc.

    The kind of grind I don't like is when it feels that the time is not well spent and there's no benefit to what I'm doing for my character's development. Or when some people can circumvent the grind and use it against me in pvp. Or when the goal posts keep getting moved further and further away. Or if monster density and aggression is too high, like Orr used to be in GW2. Those kinds of places make it tiring for me. Clunky combat creates a grind feeling as well.

    I have no idea about BDO because I haven't played it yet.


  • SvarcanumSvarcanum Member UncommonPosts: 425
    I really like the combat system for grinding. Grouping up mobs and smacking them all down! It feels quite rewarding as well, if you stay a while in a spot you get both good money and xp. I, like you, find it quite zen like to go into effective grind mode.
  • KopogeroKopogero Member UncommonPosts: 1,685
    Most veteran players go through forums, videos and reviews as well as betas before making their decisions about a product.

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  • dllddlld Member UncommonPosts: 615
    I got a key from a giveaway for this beta aswell, I was fairly neutral to the game prior to it, the biggest reason i even tried to get a key was due to a friend talking about it. My first impressions of the UI the voice overs and just quests in general being a total confusing mess.

    But getting out of the starting area, figuring out the knowledge and npc chatting system, looking a bit deeper into the crafting and trading, nodes and housing sytems. Getting some more abilities for combat, seeing more of the world and it actually feeling rather alive with traveling npcs, boats and carts etc, and in general feeling rather positive about it the aforementioned issues was rather minor (they also got less confusing after dealing with them for a while ofcourse), so i decided to get it for 30.


  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    DMKano said:
    Recore said:
    This is why the negative forums are also good for the game. 

    Forums are irrelevant for any game - because the majority of players completely ignore forums.




    Thats not what I am talking about. 


    Something bad to a person can be good to another.  

    If a person makes a thread complaining about game being too grindy that gets my attention because I like games that are grindy. 


  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    DMKano said:

    All MMOs come down to the same thing in the end - repetitive gameplay 


    Yeah. They're sort of like life that way :)
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  • khameleonkhameleon Member UncommonPosts: 486
    I did too! 1 million+ people also did. Let people here that are always negative rot typing about how bad every game is while all of us enjoy one of the most fun MMORPGs to come along in a decade+.

    GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!

  • theNILVtheNILV Member UncommonPosts: 49
    khameleon said:
    I did too! 1 million+ people also did. Let people here that are always negative rot typing about how bad every game is while all of us enjoy one of the most fun MMORPGs to come along in a decade+.
    this is something i have heard quite often :)
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  • Cybersig211Cybersig211 Member UncommonPosts: 173

    Cool.


    Game developers/publisher thank you for paying for a product you wont know is worth it until well after you've paid for it.

    Cant count how many games ive bought into only to play a month or two.

    Preorder culture is terrible in this sense, especially for a free mmorpg.  It teaches companies to worry more about hype than a quality product.

    I really glad you took the sport team approach, or political party approach,  and decided to blindly follow something for social gratification. 

    Does anyone else find it interesting that you could probably fill a forum up with games that had high initial support, millions of preorders, and failed, while the actual successful long term games didn't even have the option to preorder, and ended up growing to something great.  That is the difference between a developer who focused on a quality game and a developer who focused on flash and hype. 

    I suspect BDO is going to go the same route AA went before it.  I mean lets just ignore all those nay-sayers whove actually played the game in other markets and are trying to warn you to try it for free before buying in...I mean it a free game ffs...play it for a month THEN buy in if you feel youll be around another month. 


  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686
    DMKano said:
    Recore said:
    DMKano said:
    Recore said:
    This is why the negative forums are also good for the game. 

    Forums are irrelevant for any game - because the majority of players completely ignore forums.




    Thats not what I am talking about. 


    Something bad to a person can be good to another.  

    If a person makes a thread complaining about game being too grindy that gets my attention because I like games that are grindy. 



    Seems pretty obvious though, what MMO isn't grindy?

    It's sort of a core mechanic be it grinding mobs, or grinding quests.

    All MMOs come down to the same thing in the end - repetitive gameplay 


    All MMo's are grindy by nature.... Its up to the developers to either try to hide the grind behind all kinds of curtains.... Or take the wise choice and just make the grind fun...

    so far i havent found any MMO that doesnt end with feeling repetitive....

    can you imagine, i have been playing Chess for almost 40 years now, and it doesnt feel repetitive at all...   And i can tell you why, because it isnt fully predictable, so you need to be sure to stay one step ahead of your ennemy..  if they ever want MMO's to not feel repetitive, they need to make the NPC ennemies less predictable, while allowing the players a choice of strategies and tacktics...


    seems in this game the PvE will start feeling repetitive at some time, but the PvP? It might actually succeed with its system of strategy and tactical choices during combat...


    and last lesson from Chess, people allways need a clear goal when playing, i.e. Just killing for the killing will get boring too

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • nationalcitynationalcity Member UncommonPosts: 501
    Lord.Bachus said:
    DMKano said:
    Recore said:
    DMKano said:
    Recore said:
    This is why the negative forums are also good for the game. 

    Forums are irrelevant for any game - because the majority of players completely ignore forums.




    Thats not what I am talking about. 


    Something bad to a person can be good to another.  

    If a person makes a thread complaining about game being too grindy that gets my attention because I like games that are grindy. 



    Seems pretty obvious though, what MMO isn't grindy?

    It's sort of a core mechanic be it grinding mobs, or grinding quests.

    All MMOs come down to the same thing in the end - repetitive gameplay 


    All MMo's are grindy by nature.... Its up to the developers to either try to hide the grind behind all kinds of curtains.... Or take the wise choice and just make the grind fun...

    so far i havent found any MMO that doesnt end with feeling repetitive....

    can you imagine, i have been playing Chess for almost 40 years now, and it doesnt feel repetitive at all...   And i can tell you why, because it isnt fully predictable, so you need to be sure to stay one step ahead of your ennemy..  if they ever want MMO's to not feel repetitive, they need to make the NPC ennemies less predictable, while allowing the players a choice of strategies and tacktics...


    seems in this game the PvE will start feeling repetitive at some time, but the PvP? It might actually succeed with its system of strategy and tactical choices during combat...


    and last lesson from Chess, people allways need a clear goal when playing, i.e. Just killing for the killing will get boring too
    Exactly, ty.. The two supposedly strongest mmos in the genre right now Wow and Ffxiv both have endless grind might not be mobs but it's for gear, tomestones etc....

    Your still doing the same thing over and over just with a different outcome.......
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    RPGMASTERGAMER said:
    i find it very .... interesting.

    can you tell me a bit more about you ?

    1-since how long do you play the mmorpg genre ? what the others game you played ?
    10 years. WoW, Age of Wushu, ESO are the only note worthy. I've tried many many more though.
    2- how long did you play black desert beta or the game in the others version before decide it worth it?
    I played the Japan version for 3 weeks. I got familiar with just about all the non pvp systems. 
    3- do you know the current state of the cash shop in the others place , ex KR ? RU ? 
    Yes, those are free to play versions. They are very different from the NA/EU version.
    4- how are you feeling about the cash shop in black desert versus others game like archeage ?
    It's a lot more tame. There is no gold buying in BDO. In game like AA and GW2 you can open your wallet, go to the AH and buy whatever you want. Not in BDO.
    5- how much you usualy spend in your ''f2p'' when you decide to play them ?
    Less than $50 
    6- do you have a addiction problem ? do you buy on ''impulse'' ?
    No way. I play the game.
    7- why you think this game will last more that 1-2 month ?
    It will hit the spot for many gamers who have been jaded playing the some old reskinned theme parks over and over. BDO is refreshingly different.
    8- do you know alot about the game ? looking into fact ? for exemple the end game ? the pvp ? 
    I know more than most around here.
    9- what your stance on P2Win ? with black desert ? that p2win ? totaly fair ? 
    If you can buy power in anyway shape or form, this includes gold buying, then the game in question is in fact p2w. The devil is in the degrees of p2w. For example you can buy stats for your horse in ESO. BDO you can buy costumes with minor perks. GW2 you can buy whatever you want with cash. Arche Age, same as GW2, but on a much stronger power curve. BDO falls on the mild end so far.
    thx for reply, your help will help us understand what happening

    "We see fundamentals and we ape in"
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,838
    edited February 2016
    DMKano said:
    Recore said:
    DMKano said:
    Recore said:
    This is why the negative forums are also good for the game. 

    Forums are irrelevant for any game - because the majority of players completely ignore forums.




    Thats not what I am talking about. 


    Something bad to a person can be good to another.  

    If a person makes a thread complaining about game being too grindy that gets my attention because I like games that are grindy. 



    Seems pretty obvious though, what MMO isn't grindy?

    It's sort of a core mechanic be it grinding mobs, or grinding quests.

    All MMOs come down to the same thing in the end - repetitive gameplay 


    Not my beloved Wushu.

    I never grinded mobs or quested for XP. Mobs and quests in fact gave no XP. Non quest-centric with no grind. You had to take part in the game world to get XP. Guard your school, rob escorts, do escorts, steal scripts, defend scripts ect. 
    "We see fundamentals and we ape in"
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,001
    Svarcanum said:
    Doesn't hurt that the grinding is glorious!



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  • SvarcanumSvarcanum Member UncommonPosts: 425

    Cool.


    Game developers/publisher thank you for paying for a product you wont know is worth it until well after you've paid for it.

    Cant count how many games ive bought into only to play a month or two.

    Preorder culture is terrible in this sense, especially for a free mmorpg.  It teaches companies to worry more about hype than a quality product.

    I really glad you took the sport team approach, or political party approach,  and decided to blindly follow something for social gratification. 

    Does anyone else find it interesting that you could probably fill a forum up with games that had high initial support, millions of preorders, and failed, while the actual successful long term games didn't even have the option to preorder, and ended up growing to something great.  That is the difference between a developer who focused on a quality game and a developer who focused on flash and hype. 

    I suspect BDO is going to go the same route AA went before it.  I mean lets just ignore all those nay-sayers whove actually played the game in other markets and are trying to warn you to try it for free before buying in...I mean it a free game ffs...play it for a month THEN buy in if you feel youll be around another month. 


    "Preorder culture is terrible in this sense, especially for a free mmorpg.  It teaches companies to worry more about hype than a quality product.

    I really glad you took the sport team approach, or political party approach,  and decided to blindly follow something for social gratification. "


    Firstly it's not f2p game, it's b2p. But yes blind preordering is a bad thing for the business as a whole as far as game quality is concerned! But I wouldn't call spending 20h playing it and about 10h watching streams and youtube "blindly follow[ing] something for social gratification". I love the game. It fills a void in my gaming life, I couldn't be happier.

  • JimyHumuHumuJimyHumuHumu Member UncommonPosts: 251
    khameleon said:
    I did too! 1 million+ people also did. Let people here that are always negative rot typing about how bad every game is while all of us enjoy one of the most fun MMORPGs to come along in a decade+.
    and not just decade, its gonna be one of the bestest mmos released in past 75-80 years

    imo ofc.
  • spikers14spikers14 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    It's cheaper than taking my family to the movies, even if I sneak in drinks and candy in my oversize jacket. 

    That being said, I think experienced mmorpg players looking for something different could find something in BDO. Just gotta look past all the people that think spending $30 is some kind of epic decision. 
  • ComanComan Member UncommonPosts: 2,178
    spikers14 said:
    It's cheaper than taking my family to the movies, even if I sneak in drinks and candy in my oversize jacket. 

    That being said, I think experienced mmorpg players looking for something different could find something in BDO. Just gotta look past all the people that think spending $30 is some kind of epic decision. 
    It is not epic. However that still does not mean it is worth it. If I buy something for 30 dollar, it need to be worth 30 dollars. 
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