"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
"Year 4 decal for your ship. Please note that this is not
available immediately but will be awarded upon release to those eligible
accounts. Subscriptions valid from January 2016-February 2017
are eligible for this perk."
The interesting part here is the ability to add decals. Which opens up all kinds of possibilities with respect to player generated decals for player organizations.
wait, first they make 2 seprate games for 100 mil. Now they ask for subscribtion for those 2 unfinished games to play test them? On TOP of that there is a f2p cashshop that sells ships for 300 to 1000+ Dollars!
Now they ask for subscribtion for those 2 unfinished games to play test them?
For the last 3 years subscribers have voluntarily paid a monthly sum so extra content is being generated for the community. E.g. the "Jump Point" magazine, all the video blogs ("10 for the XXXX", "Reverse the Verse" etc.). To my knowledge the money is also used to pay the salary of the CIG community content cameraman.
"Year 4 decal for your ship. Please note that this is not
available immediately but will be awarded upon release to those eligible
accounts. Subscriptions valid from January 2016-February 2017
are eligible for this perk."
The interesting part here is the ability to add decals. Which opens up all kinds of possibilities with respect to player generated decals for player organizations.
Have fun
If you subscribe today you won't be eligible for it anyway so it is for older subscribers.
A ship decal system could only work in the Diablo3 Flag system (combine pre defined decals). If they would make it completly free it would be a chaos.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Now they ask for subscribtion for those 2 unfinished games to play test them?
For the last 3 years subscribers have voluntarily paid a monthly sum so extra content is being generated for the community. E.g. the "Jump Point" magazine, all the video blogs ("10 for the XXXX", "Reverse the Verse" etc.). To my knowledge the money is also used to pay the salary of the CIG community content cameraman.
This is NOT something new.
Subscribers are a subset of backers.
Have fun
extra content? i dont think so. This is just a side dish to the main meal. Most of it pure marketing bla bla. In the end, you subscribe to fund the game even more.
extra content? i dont think so. This is just a side dish to the main meal. Most of it pure marketing bla bla. In the end, you subscribe to fund the game even more.
YOU may not think so. That is what the WIKI contributors thought:
"Subscriptions were created during the Crowdfunding Campaign for those pledgers, who wanted to support the Star Citizen,
but were unable to spend large amounts of money at that time, as well
as for anyone, who wanted to continue to support development of the game
on monthly/annual basis. The game itself will never require a
subscription, nor will subscribers get "special equipment or additional
money or any kind of edge in combat."[1]
Subscriptions allow Cloud Imperium Games Corporation to hire additional team members, for example David Ladyman, Jump Point
Editor. It is estimated that should 10% of community become
subscribers, it would allow CIG to hire six additional team members.[1]
When in January of 2013 some contributors felt like they were
being "nickel and dimed" for the information on development of the game,
Chris Roberts answered the concerns explaining that funds from the
subscription allowed CIG to hire people to specifically curate and
deliver content to the community, including a lot of "free" content that
is provided for backers even if they don't have a subscription.[2]
Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.[3]"
I thought CR once said that subscribers wouldn't have any in-game advantages over non-subscribers?
Ya that was thrown out the window. Now its all about being P2W.
That's an erroneous way of looking at things, because the REC and ships acquired are only in the alpha. You don't get to keep any of it at launch. It just lets more people fly more things so that the devs have more test data. If only one person is flying such and such ship, how can they test it properly?
Someone with the entire fleet of ships during the alpha isn't getting any advantage other than his personal amusement.
Someone with the entire fleet of ships at Launch.. well.. they lose out on the whole drive to earn a better ship deal that most players will be involved with.. They might even get bored pretty quickly, sitting in their fancy flying fortress watching everyone else play the game with the thrill of advancement. Meanwhile the people who only buy the basic package play hard, and end up earning the same flying fortress, without any real world money involved except that initial 45$ price or whatever. So who's laughing then? The one who earned it, or the one who had no progression path on account of buying his way?
I thought CR once said that subscribers wouldn't have any in-game advantages over non-subscribers?
Ya that was thrown out the window. Now its all about being P2W.
That's an erroneous way of looking at things, because the REC and ships acquired are only in the alpha. You don't get to keep any of it at launch. It just lets more people fly more things so that the devs have more test data. If only one person is flying such and such ship, how can they test it properly?
Someone with the entire fleet of ships during the alpha isn't getting any advantage other than his personal amusement.
Someone with the entire fleet of ships at Launch.. well.. they lose out on the whole drive to earn a better ship deal that most players will be involved with.. They might even get bored pretty quickly, sitting in their fancy flying fortress watching everyone else play the game with the thrill of advancement. Meanwhile the people who only buy the basic package play hard, and end up earning the same flying fortress, without any real world money involved except that initial 45$ price or whatever. So who's laughing then? The one who earned it, or the one who had no progression path on account of buying his way?
The guy who bought it since now instead of grinding for the ship they can go do what they want. They also can start using the money they would have saved buying the ship in game to start amassing a fortune and building their empire.
" Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.
Why? Because he said so? The guy got 100 million dollars. He can't find it in his heart to do this without an extra 100k a month?
" Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.
Why? Because he said so? The guy got 100 million dollars. He can't find it in his heart to do this without an extra 100k a month?
It wouldn't exist because no development money is spent on it. To do it otherwise would take money out of development and they weren't going to do that. Quite simple really.
" Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.
Why? Because he said so? The guy got 100 million dollars. He can't find it in his heart to do this without an extra 100k a month?
It wouldn't exist because no development money is spent on it. To do it otherwise would take money out of development and they weren't going to do that. Quite simple really.
Of course you are being disingenuous and hunting for something to crow over.
If he was paying for it you would simply complain that development money was being wasted on stupid videos and extras.
" Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.
Why? Because he said so? The guy got 100 million dollars. He can't find it in his heart to do this without an extra 100k a month?
It wouldn't exist because no development money is spent on it. To do it otherwise would take money out of development and they weren't going to do that. Quite simple really.
So the extremely transparent dev progress that was promised to everyone wouldn't exist unless people paid them more money above and beyond the crowdfunding dollars when it was specifically stated this was going to be super open?
" Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.
Why? Because he said so? The guy got 100 million dollars. He can't find it in his heart to do this without an extra 100k a month?
It wouldn't exist because no development money is spent on it. To do it otherwise would take money out of development and they weren't going to do that. Quite simple really.
So the extremely transparent dev progress that was promised to everyone wouldn't exist unless people paid them more money above and beyond the crowdfunding dollars when it was specifically stated this was going to be super open?
The video programs and extras wouldn't. The information would instead be simple text on their website and posts in their forums. Why is this so hard to understand? We would still get the info but not in the format it is coming in.
" Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.
Why? Because he said so? The guy got 100 million dollars. He can't find it in his heart to do this without an extra 100k a month?
It wouldn't exist because no development money is spent on it. To do it otherwise would take money out of development and they weren't going to do that. Quite simple really.
So the extremely transparent dev progress that was promised to everyone wouldn't exist unless people paid them more money above and beyond the crowdfunding dollars when it was specifically stated this was going to be super open?
The video programs and extras wouldn't. The information would instead be simple text on their website and posts in their forums. Why is this so hard to understand? We would still get the info but not in the format it is coming in.
Assuming that's true why wouldn't they just go that route then? Are the subscriber numbers high enough to pay all these extra costs? I don't recall seeing any official numbers that would show how much they pull in from subs and how much it costs to do all this extra content
" Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content
would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the
subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break
something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only
information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly
after.
Why? Because he said so? The guy got 100 million dollars. He can't find it in his heart to do this without an extra 100k a month?
It wouldn't exist because no development money is spent on it. To do it otherwise would take money out of development and they weren't going to do that. Quite simple really.
So the extremely transparent dev progress that was promised to everyone wouldn't exist unless people paid them more money above and beyond the crowdfunding dollars when it was specifically stated this was going to be super open?
The video programs and extras wouldn't. The information would instead be simple text on their website and posts in their forums. Why is this so hard to understand? We would still get the info but not in the format it is coming in.
Assuming that's true why wouldn't they just go that route then? Are the subscriber numbers high enough to pay all these extra costs? I don't recall seeing any official numbers that would show how much they pull in from subs and how much it costs to do all this extra content
Sorry I don't have access to their books mate. But they were supposed to provide only what could be afforded on the budget the subs pay for and nothing more. That is the best I can answer you mate.
You get awfully defensive about Mr. Robert's fortune without knowing about it.
Has nothing to do with whos and what. In this case I've just gotten tired of watching someone act like jackasses after a while and said something.
I don't know if you think you're funny or that your posts are cohesive and worthy of in depth reflection or if you just trying to be a fool.
You have succeeded at one of those. You are a true troll so congratulations on that I guess.
There are posters here who are able to frame their objections and issues with intelligence and evidence. That understand when they speak backed by fact and when they are offering informed opinion. You aren't them. They bring something to the discourse. You do not. You are entitled to your opinion and no one is trying to take that from you. You however, are nothing but a troll wasting space by posting idiocy and pointless videos for a majority of your time here.
Before you ask or make some attempt at witticism, no I am not angry. All I am doing is answering your question.
So people are going to be starting the game with whole armadas of ships while other people start with auroras.
When the average spending of people for pledge packages is slightly above 100 bucks (669,769 people with pledge packages, 78.516.390 $ in funds raised, average spending 117 $) , please explain where you get the idea that people will start the game with whole armadas of ships ?
Have fun
I don't get it... did you not understand the english behind the statement?
There's people who have spent a ridiculous amount of money and will have whole armadas on launch day... then there's people who will only have an aurora.
What on earth does the average spending have to do with it? Unless you think that ALL people will have a 117$ worth of ships on launch day.... and in that case where's the wormhole entrance to your universe of absolute equality in everything
Of course there will be "people with whole armadas" on launch day !
This is the new age of MMO's, where some people pay for "convenience" so that others can play for free. So you better hope there are many whales in SC, otherwise the game will fail very soon after launch.
Some of the wealthiest players will probably even employ teams of interns to fly their ships for them...
/s
Why would that even matter at this point in time? Are you seriously saying 100m wasn't enough and we have to kiss the asses of those that spent 1,000s of dollars in the hopes they continue spending money even with the live game(if it ever comes out) so that CGI just doesn't shut down Starcitizen, even though they got more than enough funding for the game?
That isnt how the game works and we don't honor the RSI circle jerk of whomever spent the most of a virtual ship on these forums. If you want to be proud and gloat to others about your constellation then go back to the SC forums.
I think the game will play out as the more expensive the ship the more powerful and harder to buy it will be, which will give unfair advantages. I also don't think the game is going to be anywhere remotely as good as Chris Roberts promotes nor will it have all the features/feature creep he was paid for.
Why would that even matter at this point in time? Are you seriously saying 100m wasn't enough and we have to kiss the asses of those that spent 1,000s of dollars in the hopes they continue spending money even with the live game(if it ever comes out) so that CGI just doesn't shut down Starcitizen, even though they got more than enough funding for the game?
That isnt how the game works and we don't honor the RSI circle jerk of whomever spent the most of a virtual ship on these forums. If you want to be proud and gloat to others about your constellation then go back to the SC forums.
I think the game will play out as the more expensive the ship the more powerful and harder to buy it will be, which will give unfair advantages. I also don't think the game is going to be anywhere remotely as good as Chris Roberts promotes nor will it have all the features/feature creep he was paid for.
Frankly I think as soon as a few swarms of people in starter ships start stealing them people are going to get some serious buyers remorse.
In this case I've just gotten tired of watching someone act like jackasses after a while and said something.
What a coincidence. This is how I feel about Star Citizen, well, that and I feel it's rampant exploitation of unsuspecting people. Still, you fight me around every corner. Maybe you should join the good-guy side.
In this case I've just gotten tired of watching someone act like jackasses after a while and said something.
What a coincidence. This is how I feel about Star Citizen, well, that and I feel it's rampant exploitation of unsuspecting people. Still, you fight me around every corner. Maybe you should join the good-guy side.
I'll stay in the middle where I am. Thanks though.
Neither hyper critical set of polar opposites is of any interest to me.
Comments
Maybe an exclusive Kickstarter Spaceship JPEG?
I guess that is asking too much though.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/subscriptions
as explained in a recent Dev Tracker post
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/316529
where they talk about the Year 4 rewards.
"Year 4 decal for your ship. Please note that this is not available immediately but will be awarded upon release to those eligible accounts. Subscriptions valid from January 2016-February 2017 are eligible for this perk."
The interesting part here is the ability to add decals. Which opens up all kinds of possibilities with respect to player generated decals for player organizations.
Have fun
THIS IS GETTING MORE RIDICULE WITH EVERY DAY!
This is NOT something new.
Subscribers are a subset of backers.
Have fun
A ship decal system could only work in the Diablo3 Flag system (combine pre defined decals). If they would make it completly free it would be a chaos.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Subscriptions
"Subscriptions were created during the Crowdfunding Campaign for those pledgers, who wanted to support the Star Citizen, but were unable to spend large amounts of money at that time, as well as for anyone, who wanted to continue to support development of the game on monthly/annual basis. The game itself will never require a subscription, nor will subscribers get "special equipment or additional money or any kind of edge in combat."[1]
Subscriptions allow Cloud Imperium Games Corporation to hire additional team members, for example David Ladyman, Jump Point Editor. It is estimated that should 10% of community become subscribers, it would allow CIG to hire six additional team members.[1]
When in January of 2013 some contributors felt like they were being "nickel and dimed" for the information on development of the game, Chris Roberts answered the concerns explaining that funds from the subscription allowed CIG to hire people to specifically curate and deliver content to the community, including a lot of "free" content that is provided for backers even if they don't have a subscription.[2] Later he further clarified and explained that all of subscriber content would not exist or have been shared without the benefit of the subscriptions, and while there may be some cases where CIG will break something in Jump Point first, it will not be subscriber only information, and it will be shared with the whole community shortly after.[3]"
Have funSomeone with the entire fleet of ships during the alpha isn't getting any advantage other than his personal amusement.
Someone with the entire fleet of ships at Launch.. well.. they lose out on the whole drive to earn a better ship deal that most players will be involved with.. They might even get bored pretty quickly, sitting in their fancy flying fortress watching everyone else play the game with the thrill of advancement. Meanwhile the people who only buy the basic package play hard, and end up earning the same flying fortress, without any real world money involved except that initial 45$ price or whatever. So who's laughing then? The one who earned it, or the one who had no progression path on account of buying his way?
To do it otherwise would take money out of development and they weren't going to do that.
Quite simple really.
If he was paying for it you would simply complain that development money was being wasted on stupid videos and extras.
The information would instead be simple text on their website and posts in their forums.
Why is this so hard to understand?
We would still get the info but not in the format it is coming in.
But they were supposed to provide only what could be afforded on the budget the subs pay for and nothing more.
That is the best I can answer you mate.
In this case I've just gotten tired of watching someone act like jackasses after a while and said something.
I don't know if you think you're funny
or
that your posts are cohesive and worthy of in depth reflection
or
if you just trying to be a fool.
You have succeeded at one of those.
You are a true troll so congratulations on that I guess.
There are posters here who are able to frame their objections and issues with intelligence and evidence.
That understand when they speak backed by fact and when they are offering informed opinion.
You aren't them.
They bring something to the discourse.
You do not.
You are entitled to your opinion and no one is trying to take that from you.
You however, are nothing but a troll wasting space by posting idiocy and pointless videos for a majority of your time here.
Before you ask or make some attempt at witticism, no I am not angry.
All I am doing is answering your question.
That isnt how the game works and we don't honor the RSI circle jerk of whomever spent the most of a virtual ship on these forums. If you want to be proud and gloat to others about your constellation then go back to the SC forums.
I think the game will play out as the more expensive the ship the more powerful and harder to buy it will be, which will give unfair advantages. I also don't think the game is going to be anywhere remotely as good as Chris Roberts promotes nor will it have all the features/feature creep he was paid for.
MurderHerd
Thanks though.
Neither hyper critical set of polar opposites is of any interest to me.